From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 2:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: chaos theory >My opinion is that even in the seeming chaos of unplanned improvisation >there >is some structure. yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda... So you're basically saying that there's no such thing as structurelessness? Well, this of course is true if you accept any aspect as structure. If even utter randomity counts as structure, then this is pretty solid definition: music = structure... heck, anything is a structure along those guidelines! This ad leaflet here is just an example of the advertisement structure. This banana fly buzzing past expresses its insect structure. My local shop's customer base is a structure, too. The decimals of pi are their own structure, which is based on randomity. I just mashed the damn fly. Now it has the typical structure of a squahed bug. And the structure of my message here involves the following point: if everything is structure, what use does one have with the word 'structure' any more? Nothing. It's no more what people usually understand by 'structure', it's some divine noun that's applicable to anything.. so what information does it include any more? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37767 Re: chaos theory Stephen Manship billythefish01 Mon 12/16/2002 4 KB 37768 Re: chaos theory jerome ssaalyersjj Mon 12/16/2002 6 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 2:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film How old did you say you were??????? Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Debra Wilson' To: Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 1:02 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film > How many Star Trek movies are they going to make? lol I personaly thought > the first 5 was enough.. but then I stopped watching it when I was 12 or > so..lol. > > Debra Wilson > Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html > AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs > http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...] > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:10 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film > > > Going to see it today Jan. They have a web site of course. My thoughts most > likely will be biased anyway since I been watching Star Trek since day one. > I will try to be a bit more object when I post. Jerry does have some very > good pieces in the past. > > Dale > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Paul Fellows Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 3:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain > it is good to have this group and to be in the company > of like minded people who are aware that good music > can be without vocals and last longer than 4minutes. > > jonnyboy. Much as I love TD, it's not the only thing in life that's good without words and lasts longer than 4 minutes... oo er :-) Paul From: Paul Fellows Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 3:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain on 15/12/02 14:43, Antonio Nunes at hyperborean@m... wrote: > Alysoun wrote: >> >> You cannot dance to TD (thankfully) > > Probably Edgar and Jerome don't agree with you, as they used dancers in > the Sony Center topping out ceremony. I think it was more a case of Sony using TD and the dancers ... I'm in a cheeky mood today :-) Paul From: 'duncan mckee' Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 3:45 pm Subject: chris franke collection hi due to unforseen circumstances i need to raise a bit of cash, so instead of selling a couple of my rare TD cds i have decided to list my entire chris franke collection on ebay, there are a few rare items listed. have a look :- http://cgi6.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=duncan41&in\ clude=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25 Thanks Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk www.tangerine-dream.co.uk MSN Messenger dmckee20@h... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 4:14 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TT2 arrived We will be doing a synchronization, probably this week, for all the 'PERM' TT members. We will be checking the TT2 database, and properly adding PERMs to TT3 that aren't int here already. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: kostas karlis [mailto:k_koulos@p...] > Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 9:37 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] TT2 arrived > > > sorry for this late post byt i want to inform the one responsible > for collecting this kind of info that i have my TT2 package safe > at home waiting to be listened to. > > sorry once again for this byt due to a format i have lost the > e-mail that i was supposed to reply to > > once again thank you to all those that made this thing available > [from TD for playing till Heiko ,Joe and team for distrybiting > and remastering] > > kostas from greece > > p.s. i have updated my status as received in the yahoo database, > but i cannot find myself in there for TT3 [although i was signed > in for all the TT ] > any help? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Liondream@a... Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 5:19 pm Subject: Re: real chaos theory... In a message dated 12/15/2002 8:39:31 AM Central Standard Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 15 > Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:29:44 EST > From: Liondream@a... > Subject: Re: chaos theory > > Okay, I don't post much, which is probably a good thing... On second thought I went back in and deleted this message as well as the third wheel message, unfortunately, it looks like it made it into the digest, bleh. So please treat them accordingly. :-) w [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 6:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film From: 'PERGAMON' > They have apparently decided here in Denamrk, not to show the new Star Trek > movie in the theaters................thanks a lot. So I will have to wait > for the DVD-release.................is it worth waiting for?????? Just seen it. Trust me, you're missing nothing. It's the worst Trek film to date, and that's coming from someone who thinks the first film was good :-). Maff From: 'Grant M Somerville' Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 7:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Matthew Sawyer' To: Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film > From: 'PERGAMON' > > > They have apparently decided here in Denamrk, not to show the new Star Trek > > movie in the theaters................thanks a lot. So I will have to wait > > for the DVD-release.................is it worth waiting for?????? > > > Just seen it. Trust me, you're missing nothing. It's the worst Trek film to > date, and that's coming from someone who thinks the first film was good :-). > > > Maff The first film was slated for being all effects and little story. The Wrath of Khan had a more engaging storyline...so they said. Seems like a long time ago now. cheers, Grant. From: 'esculap' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 1:58 am Subject: Re: The Snowman - Howard Blake >From: 'Roger Hartopp' >The theme from 'The Snowman' (arranged by TD) was played over the closing >titles of the film. Incidentally (as far as I am aware) this film is the >only instance where TD use two non-original pieces (the other being 'Gloria >Theme' which was cpmposed many many years ago by Thomas Tallis). They used other 'non-original' pieces - Ludvig van Beethoven's 'Moonlight Sonata' on 'Stratosfear' and Arcangelo Corelli's 'La Folia' on 'Force Majeure', without mentioning the name of the composer on the LP/CD cover, and of course G.F.Haendel's piece on 'Tyranny of Beauty' and also parts of 'Ambient Monkeys'. During some shows there were used different classical tunes, too, but 'guilty' was Haslinger, I suppose :-) Dream on, Andrzej From: 'esculap' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 2:24 am Subject: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain > From: Jonathan Holt > I have noticed a handful of the female of the species > on this list. I was worried as I thought may be TD was > some sort of boys own geek/homoerotic thing. Phew! > I was wondering if the females (of all ages) in this > group could let me know what TD music appeals to them > and why? How did you get 'into' TD? And what TD music > is a turn off and why? > Just trying to understand why TD music seems to mostly > attract men? > jonnyboywithtoomuchtimeonhishands. If You'd read a book 'The Sex of the Brain' (a great one, I don't remember the authors... they were from Canada and Britain, I suppose), You'd know the answer. Women's and men's brains are not the same. Their structures aren't similar. They both have two halves but their neurons have different junctions. During the pregnance, the estrogens level varies at babygirl (her little ovaries produce hormons already) and babyboy (he fortunately doesn't have ovaries, estrogen comes from his mother). Different amounts of estrogen cause different structure of the brain. I DON'T WANT TO SAY these or those brains are better. For instance, women 'use' both halfes while men - mostly the left OR right one. Women feel better poetry and painting, men - maths, physics and architecture or sculpture. Females may do 2-3 different things at the same time, males - only one but more precisely. And so on and so on. They and we are perfect halves of the unity. Just Yin & Yang. Of course, not every male understand maths, but majority of them is better in that than majority of women. There are fathers who take care of their children better than their wifes do. And some mothers feel better as bosses than housewifes. This is probably due to some deviations of the estrogen level during the pregnance. I find TD music closer to architecture and sculpture than to poetry. So, it is in 'male' style. Sometimes with female inputs (TD uses Blake's poems on Tyger, but it sounds strange). That's why women, while listening to some classic TD tunes that lead TD fans to nirvana (for me it's Rubycon, Ricochet, Force Majeure, Central Parc and....), say usually : 'Come on, it's boring!'. They prefer shorter, vocal pieces with not-so-complicated-structure. My wife does so, too;-) I DON'T WANT TO SAY women are worse, they are just different. And it's good. So, women on this list, are Your brains 'typical for women'? Do You like to use crayons to paint pictures with Your kids or rather You beat cruely Your husbands/boyfriends/anyboysintheneighbourhood ? ;-))) Andy PS. That book and the estrogen level theory explains also the homo-, transsexuality and transvestitism etiology. The researches was made on pregnant rats, that got extra estrogen doses. Their 'sons' behaved as females (a 7-feet-high-basketball-player saying 'How lovely are those violet flowers!'). When reducing estrogen level, the later-born-'daughters' were more aggresive and tried to copulate with other ones. After the brainsection, as you may obviously suppose, their brains were of a opposite sex construction. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37813 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Debra Wilson goatsong99 Tue 12/17/2002 4 KB From: Jens Kilian Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 8:04 am Subject: TD references in unexpected places In Alastair Reynold's _Chasm City_ (an SF novel), he uses 'Tangerine Dream' as a name for a gas-giant planet. It's just a throwaway reference, the planet doesn't actually play a major role. I wonder if AR is a fan... Any other examples (except for ice cream, car dealers and porn stars, which were already mentioned here :-)? Bye, Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37773 Re: TD references in unexpected places John Vertical omegatransfinito Mon 12/16/2002 2 KB 37774 Re: TD references in unexpected places Brian Stewart Mon 12/16/2002 2 KB 37949 Re: TD references in unexpected places tmaxlo tmaxlo Sun 12/22/2002 2 KB 37783 Re: TD references in unexpected places fozziebear fozziebearbeehive Mon 12/16/2002 2 KB 37802 Re: TD references in unexpected places peter.stoeferle@t... Tue 12/17/2002 2 KB 37848 Re: TD references in unexpected places Jens Kilian Wed 12/18/2002 3 KB 37931 Re: TD references in unexpected places PENFOLD penfold235 Fri 12/20/2002 3 KB 40184 Re: TD references in unexpected places Owens, James yxalag2 Wed 4/2/2003 2 KB 40224 Re: TD references in unexpected places PENFOLD penfold235 Sat 4/5/2003 3 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 7:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream]attention ladies/girls and the uncertain sean@t... wrote: >And TD? They're just a >couple of unsexy Teutons standing behind computers.  While there are a >few brave women out there who admit to liking such geekery, they are >definitely in the minority [...] Funny you should say that. I saw Kraftwerk in concert in Osaka last night, and they, too, are a couple of unsexy Teutons standing behind computers. And the video show behind them was just about the geekiest thing I've ever experienced (I mean that in a good way). Yet, there were huge numbers of women and girls in the audience. Including a really cute one who happened to stand next to me the whole time. So whatever it is that theoretically makes geeky music unpopular among Western women doesn't necessarily apply to the Japanese. Oh, also, their show was outstanding. Go see them if you get the chance! --Daniel NP: Ayumi Hamasaki - I Am... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: jerome Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 9:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: chaos theory this is wonderful... very well said... jerome Liondream@a... wrote:Okay, I don't post much, which is probably a good thing... My opinion is that even in the seeming chaos of unplanned improvisation there <> --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Armin Theissen Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 10:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Hi, I guess it rather boils down to the question how people grew up. I was not brought up with music by my parents, and rather followed the pop charts as a kid slowly sliding into puberty (and that was in the 70s - Abba, Smokie, that sort of stuff, oh dear, and Status Quo of course ;-) ), and if I wouldn't have had that two years older cousin who I wanted to be like a bit and who came with Pink Floyd's 'Wish you were here' and later, when I followed the Pink Floyd track, with TD's Force Majeure and Cyclone (the gate-fold, with the coolest TD line up picture in it), I would probably still follow the charts? Instead, my CD shelf is full of TD, Schulze, Stockhausen, Cage, ah, and Satriani, Stevie Ray Vaughan etc. (because Status Quo made me picking up guitar... ;-) ) Where comes the gender-specific factor? I guess it was because - at least in these days - it was more the boys who would be raised with more technical toys rather than girls. And since I had an interest in electronics, the pictures of all those huge modular synths fascinated me. So I guess 50% of my early affection for TD and the like stems from the fact that it just looked so damn cool to be surrounded by all that blinking LEDs and patchcords and knobs and sliders - like on the bridge of the Enterprise or so. After all, that was also a piece of music for me, all those bleeps and pings on the (classic) Enterprise bridge - a great piece of music. Don't want to put your theory down, but to point out that your environment is a big factor, and that traditionally there is a difference between girls and buys in the way they are brought up. Also just by the different toys they get for Xmas. We're getting a baby soon, and no matter whether it will be a boy or a girl, it will certainly be confronted with technical construction sets and model trains. Though my wife jokes that I'm a bit selfish there..... ;-) (Wonder how he/she will pick up on my analog keyboards... ;-) ) armin esculap wrote: >> From: Jonathan Holt >>I have noticed a handful of the female of the species >>on this list. I was worried as I thought may be TD was >>some sort of boys own geek/homoerotic thing. Phew! >>I was wondering if the females (of all ages) in this >>group could let me know what TD music appeals to them >>and why? How did you get 'into' TD? And what TD music >>is a turn off and why? >>Just trying to understand why TD music seems to mostly >>attract men? >>jonnyboywithtoomuchtimeonhishands. >> > > If You'd read a book 'The Sex of the Brain' (a great one, I don't remember > the authors... they were from Canada and Britain, I suppose), You'd know the > answer. > Women's and men's brains are not the same. Their structures aren't similar. > They both have two halves but their neurons have different junctions. During > the pregnance, the estrogens level varies at babygirl (her little ovaries > produce hormons already) and babyboy (he fortunately doesn't have ovaries, > estrogen comes from his mother). Different amounts of estrogen cause > different structure of the brain. I DON'T WANT TO SAY these or those brains > are better. For instance, women 'use' both halfes while men - mostly the > left OR right one. Women feel better poetry and painting, men - maths, > physics and architecture or sculpture. Females may do 2-3 different things > at the same time, males - only one but more precisely. And so on and so on. > They and we are perfect halves of the unity. Just Yin & Yang. > Of course, not every male understand maths, but majority of them is better > in that than majority of women. There are fathers who take care of their > children better than their wifes do. And some mothers feel better as bosses > than housewifes. This is probably due to some deviations of the estrogen > level during the pregnance. > > I find TD music closer to architecture and sculpture than to poetry. So, it > is in 'male' style. Sometimes with female inputs (TD uses Blake's poems on > Tyger, but it sounds strange). That's why women, while listening to some > classic TD tunes that lead TD fans to nirvana (for me it's Rubycon, > Ricochet, Force Majeure, Central Parc and....), say usually : 'Come on, it's > boring!'. They prefer shorter, vocal pieces with > not-so-complicated-structure. My wife does so, too;-) > I DON'T WANT TO SAY women are worse, they are just different. And it's good. > > So, women on this list, are Your brains 'typical for women'? Do You like to > use crayons to paint pictures with Your kids or rather You beat cruely Your > husbands/boyfriends/anyboysintheneighbourhood ? > ;-))) > > Andy > > PS. That book and the estrogen level theory explains also the homo-, > transsexuality and transvestitism etiology. The researches was made on > pregnant rats, that got extra estrogen doses. Their 'sons' behaved as > females (a 7-feet-high-basketball-player saying 'How lovely are those violet > flowers!'). When reducing estrogen level, the later-born-'daughters' were > more aggresive and tried to copulate with other ones. After the > brainsection, as you may obviously suppose, their brains were of a opposite > sex construction. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37766 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Marcel Engels mars103nl Mon 12/16/2002 3 KB From: 'Marcel Engels ' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 10:50 am Subject: Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Armin Theissen wrote: > > We're getting a baby soon, and no matter whether > it will be a boy or a girl, it will certainly > be confronted with technical construction sets > and model trains. Though my wife jokes that I'm > a bit selfish there..... ;-) > > (Wonder how he/she will pick up on my analog > keyboards... ;-) ) (probably off-topic but there's some musical content) Our baby is now 9 weeks old and he's beginning to understand he has hands. :-) Sometimes when I'm on the cough with him I play some electronic/TD or progrock and it seems he doesn't respond at all on it. :-) We can happily play a DVD with full 5.1 and just sleeps through it. First month was 'tough' because your life will be really upside down (still is) and you have to adjust your lifestyle (getting up in the night), but now it's wonderful...he's smiling from ear to ear, responding on your face and voice and making noises. Sometimes I take him into my studio and he definitely looks at the big modular...I'm not sure if I'm happy with that. :-) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'Stephen Manship ' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 11:32 am Subject: Re: chaos theory Lightwave try to compose in such a way as to avoid structure, melody and rhythm. Yet I find inevitably, as the timer ticks away on the CD player, their tracks become structured. Then I think: is it the music that is structured, or is it my brain that is structuring it? We cannot avoid the fact that a piece has a beginning, a middle and an end. We are so conditioned to think this way. We (humans) invented time, and it can get a bit boring sometimes. There was an excellent episode of Red Dwarf when everything occurred backwards. It really got you thinking. Perhaps we should adapt the 'random' buttons on our CD players to counteract this? There should be a 'chaos' button which will jumble up the individual notes :-) Could this be why TD changed the track order of the albums on the melrose box? Is Edgar returning us to the good old days of random equipment malfunctions and run-away sequencers with the clicking on Cool at heart ;-) BTF --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Vertical' wrote: > >My opinion is that even in the seeming chaos of unplanned improvisation > >there > >is some structure. yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda... > > > So you're basically saying that there's no such thing as structurelessness? > Well, this of course is true if you accept any aspect as structure. If even > utter randomity counts as structure, then this is pretty solid definition: > music = structure... heck, anything is a structure along those guidelines! > This ad leaflet here is just an example of the advertisement structure. This > banana fly buzzing past expresses its insect structure. My local shop's > customer base is a structure, too. The decimals of pi are their own > structure, which is based on randomity. > I just mashed the damn fly. Now it has the typical structure of a squahed > bug. > > And the structure of my message here involves the following point: if > everything is structure, what use does one have with the word 'structure' > any more? Nothing. It's no more what people usually understand by > 'structure', it's some divine noun that's applicable to anything.. so what > information does it include any more? > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37768 Re: chaos theory jerome ssaalyersjj Mon 12/16/2002 6 KB From: jerome Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 12:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: chaos theory i wonder if it's really about whether something has complete structure or no structure at all... as wes pointed out, one will be hard pressed to find music that doesn't have some structure somewhere... what i think is so attractive about the older TD improv was the fact that as our ear is trained to a certian level of harmonic and rhytmic structure, these older pieces seemed to be always back away from that... as the songs progressed, the 'random' notes or changes, the shift in the sense of rhythm hinted at a structure that never became solid... like images which appear through frosted glass, then disappear again... the notes and patterns teased us with structure, which predictability on some level, but rarely fufilled... the whole CD of encore is an excellent example of this... they even went so far as to finally produce the structure (monolight)... but even then, in comparison to other music, it is spare... but compared to the rest of what was happening, it seemed almost too rigid... it's the balance of what came before that gives us the impression of how structured a piece is... the classical composers of the early 20th century went MUCH further in destructuralism than TD ever managed... it can be argued that the beauty of all of the earlier, improv, less-structured work from TD is that it only hinted at what might be there, achingly... and in 30 years, that tease has never been fufilled... and few things hold the human spirit in thrall more than an unfufilled promise... in that sense, this music could be considered to be genius... jerome 'Stephen Manship ' wrote:Lightwave try to compose in such a way as to avoid structure, melody and rhythm. Yet I find inevitably, as the timer ticks away on the CD player, their tracks become structured. Then I think: is it the music that is structured, or is it my brain that is structuring it? We cannot avoid the fact that a piece has a beginning, a middle and an end. We are so conditioned to think this way. We (humans) invented time, and it can get a bit boring sometimes. There was an excellent episode of Red Dwarf when everything occurred backwards. It really got you thinking. Perhaps we should adapt the 'random' buttons on our CD players to counteract this? There should be a 'chaos' button which will jumble up the individual notes :-) Could this be why TD changed the track order of the albums on the melrose box? Is Edgar returning us to the good old days of random equipment malfunctions and run-away sequencers with the clicking on Cool at heart ;-) BTF --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Vertical' wrote: > >My opinion is that even in the seeming chaos of unplanned improvisation > >there > >is some structure. yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda... > > > So you're basically saying that there's no such thing as structurelessness? > Well, this of course is true if you accept any aspect as structure. If even > utter randomity counts as structure, then this is pretty solid definition: > music = structure... heck, anything is a structure along those guidelines! > This ad leaflet here is just an example of the advertisement structure. This > banana fly buzzing past expresses its insect structure. My local shop's > customer base is a structure, too. The decimals of pi are their own > structure, which is based on randomity. > I just mashed the damn fly. Now it has the typical structure of a squahed > bug. > > And the structure of my message here involves the following point: if > everything is structure, what use does one have with the word 'structure' > any more? Nothing. It's no more what people usually understand by > 'structure', it's some divine noun that's applicable to anything.. so what > information does it include any more? > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 1:37 pm Subject: Children -- was Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain ----- Original Message ----- From: > Sometimes I take him into my studio and he definitely > looks at the big modular...I'm not sure if I'm happy > with that. :-) Not only should you start a college fund now for Luka, it seems that you'll need to start a modular fund, too! Of course, if you don't, you'll find out how quickly children acquire the 'What's mine is mine and what's your's is mine' syndrome... And if he doesn't stick with the modular, then you can use it to make your modular bigger. That is unless he has also confiscated yours to make his modular bigger! :-) Groetjes, Bill From: 'Peter ' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 2:41 pm Subject: TT #3 Hey everyvody, just a little question, please can I already sign for the TT # 3 , and if yes ... where?? On www.tadream.net , I have found infos for TT#1 and TT#2, only. Thanks for reading Cheers Pete Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37771 Re: TT #3 corporalcripp corporalcripp Mon 12/16/2002 2 KB 37772 Re: TT #3 Peter pete01021962 Mon 12/16/2002 2 KB From: 'corporalcripp ' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 3:19 pm Subject: Re: TT #3 --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Peter ' wrote: > Hey everyvody, > > just a little question, please > > can I already sign for the TT # 3 , and if yes ... where?? > > On www.tadream.net , I have found infos for TT#1 and TT#2, only. > > > Thanks for reading > > Cheers > Pete Click on database(under links)-Bob Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37772 Re: TT #3 Peter pete01021962 Mon 12/16/2002 2 KB From: 'Peter ' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 4:23 pm Subject: Re: TT #3 Hey Bob, thanks. just found out, that I'm in for TT3, already . I'm a bit stupid, sometimes :-)) Cheers PETE --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'corporalcripp ' wrote: > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Peter ' > wrote: > > Hey everyvody, > > > > just a little question, please > > > > can I already sign for the TT # 3 , and if yes ... where?? > > > > On www.tadream.net , I have found infos for TT#1 and TT#2, only. > > > > > > Thanks for reading > > > > Cheers > > > Pete > Click on database(under links)-Bob From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD references in unexpected places >In Alastair Reynold's _Chasm City_ (an SF novel), he uses 'Tangerine Dream' >as a name for a gas-giant planet. It's just a throwaway reference, the >planet >doesn't actually play a major role. I wonder if AR is a fan... > >Any other examples (except for ice cream, car dealers and porn stars, which >were already mentioned here :-)? > >Bye, > Jens. I'm building an RPG and throwing in things like Cinnamon Road, Goblins' Club, Twin Soul Tribe... Hmm, could consider an elf called 'June' to boot. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 5:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD references in unexpected places Hi A shop called Pentangle in Aberdeen's Union Street sells soap called 'Tangerine Dream' I've got a bit somewhere, it does smell rather fruity. Best B _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37949 Re: TD references in unexpected places tmaxlo tmaxlo Sun 12/22/2002 2 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 6:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? Well saw it Saturday. It ranks up there with the rest. I think the last one had a bit more character to it than this one. It does fit well into the series. Jerry Goldsmith is credited for the main theme. There was a lot more musicians in the score than him in the credits. When it comes out on DVD, I will add it to my collection. Dale's movie rank. I consider 'Chucky' the worst movie ever. I don't think I seen the greatest movie yet. 'The Keep' 8 Chucky scale 0. The greatest 10 This Star Trek 8 Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'vic rek' To: Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? > Hi Jan, > I do not understand the remark? Are movies in Denmark controlled? > I see Denmark as a very progressive and free country... But you still don't > have the Euro, etc... > So maybe we need a little geo-political lesson on Denmark, and BTW, are > there ANY TD releases that were actually pressed in Denmark? > Vic > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: PERGAMON > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 12:01 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film > > > > They have apparently decided here in Denamrk, not to show the new Star > Trek > > movie in the theaters................thanks a lot. So I will have to wait > > for the DVD-release.................is it worth waiting for?????? > > > > Regards > > Jan > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Wade Gordon' > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 3:38 PM > > Subject: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film > > > > > > > Hey gang, > > > > > > Yesterday I saw the new Star Trek film with music by > > > Jerry Goldsmith. I must say that Jerry is certainly > > > in form and synths are finally back. Whoopie!!! > > > > > > > > > Wade > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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ID Date Size 37811 Re: Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? goatsong99 goatsong99 Tue 12/17/2002 3 KB From: Marion Horrod Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 6:05 pm Subject: Re: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Allison said: You cannot dance to TD (thankfully) Well _I_ can, and do (maybe not much in public though). Then she said: As far as I am concerned, we are the few and the proud. I'll drink to that! LnH Marion 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs to be ...' S. Blakemore From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 6:00 pm Subject: Alien Wolves et al. Okay, like some of you already know, I'm collecting recurring themes / sequences / sound effects in TD pieces... Now I'd like to propose a new 'official' title: Alien Wolves. This refers to the strange howling noises found in the following places: -aplenty during 11.30 - 12.40 in Coldwater Canyon -a very quiet, brief pop-up 7.17 into Monolight -11.30-12.00 in Ricochet part 1 (initially hard to notice) -lots in Midnight in Tula -when the sequence starts in Ayers Majestic and in the corresponding (ie, last) section of Horizon -also, the intro in the 1st set of the 75 Pop'd Orange show (acoming part of TT3) Another really common sound effect (in the early 80s) goes in my database currently under the simple title 'rustle 2', has anyone got a better one? Here's where it occurs: -The end of the sequence in Tangram set 1 (7.30) and at other points, too -The 'Undulation' track on TT vol. 14 -The end of 'The Price', on the 80-82 shows -Horns of Doom -When the main theme starts in Beach Theme -The beginning of Calymba Caly ('antique part') -lots on Pilots of Purple Twilight, Exit, Valley of the Sun -intro of Silver Scale on Tangents -in Choronzon, 3.45 at the studio version (have to check live versions yet) -Alleywalk and Moorland -the TT vol. 10 version of Thermal Inversion (section 1) - other tours lack this -Speed -intro of Poland? (slightly edited) -1.56 into Network 23 Here's also some other curious things... # The fourth bass sequence (the one that kicks in during the guitar solo) on Cool Breeze of Brighton is from Ride on a Ray # The studio additions part of Story of the Brave has the same melody line as Coppercoast (on Tangents) # The harpsichort patch plays identical lines during the Marakesh intro and the sax / flute transistion phase in Long Island Sunset # Kiew Mission, Polish Dance and Choronzon studio version share a common drumbeat (zizi zizup, zop, zap) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37784 Re: Alien Wolves et al. Administrator dale1kay Mon 12/16/2002 5 KB 37792 RE : [tadream] DWT3 pics online Fred Yargui fredyargui Mon 12/16/2002 2 KB 38071 TT3 jerome ssaalyersjj Tue 1/7/2003 2 KB 39225 TT3 Morgan Feldon feldon23 Thu 2/20/2003 6 KB 39227 Re: TT3 Falcon ppgwave2000 Thu 2/20/2003 2 KB 39754 TT3 Michal Moroz mirstacja Thu 3/13/2003 2 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 6:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain I have heard Moby has turned some heads. Not to mention 'Yes' in their day. Seems I heard a few say Gary Neuman was hot too. Then there are the Human League and other too in that long list... dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 2:35 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain > There are no sex-symbols in electronic or progressive music and the > musicianship is what matters. Again, thankfully. > > As far as I am concerned, we are the few and the proud. > > Should I worry that when I saw Moby on MTV Cribs I went into shock > (good shock mind you) because the man had a bookshelf with books? > lol That was (to me) better then any of the > images/belongings/lifestyles/ect that any of them put out.. just > seeing that maybe one of those people can read, and may actually > enjoy it! lol > I'm such a dork..lol > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 6:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: chaos theory Use Mozart's dice game. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 6:50 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: chaos theory > >My opinion is that even in the seeming chaos of unplanned improvisation > >there > >is some structure. yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda... > > > So you're basically saying that there's no such thing as structurelessness? > Well, this of course is true if you accept any aspect as structure. If even > utter randomity counts as structure, then this is pretty solid definition: > music = structure... heck, anything is a structure along those guidelines! > This ad leaflet here is just an example of the advertisement structure. This > banana fly buzzing past expresses its insect structure. My local shop's > customer base is a structure, too. The decimals of pi are their own > structure, which is based on randomity. > I just mashed the damn fly. Now it has the typical structure of a squahed > bug. > > And the structure of my message here involves the following point: if > everything is structure, what use does one have with the word 'structure' > any more? Nothing. It's no more what people usually understand by > 'structure', it's some divine noun that's applicable to anything.. so what > information does it include any more? > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Marion Horrod Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 6:16 pm Subject: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Andy, that was a very interesting post on 'Sex and the brain' Now I'm _extremely_ left brain according to some test or other I took a while ago. Maybe that explains why I'm an 'honorary guy' (good at maths and logic problems, work in computing, drink beer, have mostly male friends and am not interested in make-up, clothes or babies). And why I like TD. Or maybe not. I dunno. LnH Marion 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs to be ...' S. Blakemore Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37796 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Alysoun alysoun68 Tue 12/17/2002 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 6:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The Snowman - Howard Blake >They used other 'non-original' pieces - Ludvig van Beethoven's 'Moonlight >Sonata' on 'Stratosfear' Waitwaitwait. Where exactly? I knew the La Folia thing already, but where is this? the piano on Invisible Limits? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From: Marion Horrod Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 6:23 pm Subject: Re: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Hm. I originally replied to Jonathan off-list because I thought people would say 'oh, not that old topic again'. But the thread seems to have stimulated quite a few interesting thoughts. I already replied positively to Andy's piece on 'Sex and the Brain', but I have to say that Armin rang a bell too. I was the eldest child, and close to my father. I grew up playing with mechano and train sets (which little girls didn't DO in those days). I used to help my dad do car maintenance in my teens. So maybe there's nature _and_ nurture to be taken into account. I don't think my parents influenced my musical tastes much, except in encouraging me to be open-minded. (My mother, born in 1932, was a big fan of Hendrix and The Doors, for example.) LnH Marion 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs to be ...' S. Blakemore From: 'fozziebear' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD references in unexpected places Jens said 'Any other examples (except for ice cream, car dealers and porn stars, which were already mentioned here :-)?' Yes. On a seed exchange list I received recently there was a poppy Papaver Orientale Tangerine Dream. So you can grow Tangerine Dream! Note it is the oriental poppy not the opium type - somniferum. Well you can't have everything. David From: 'Administrator' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 6:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Alien Wolves et al. of course Pink Floyd had a number of similar items found in various tracks.. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 10:00 AM Subject: [tadream] Alien Wolves et al. > Okay, like some of you already know, I'm collecting recurring themes / > sequences / sound effects in TD pieces... > > Now I'd like to propose a new 'official' title: Alien Wolves. > This refers to the strange howling noises found in the following places: > -aplenty during 11.30 - 12.40 in Coldwater Canyon > -a very quiet, brief pop-up 7.17 into Monolight > -11.30-12.00 in Ricochet part 1 (initially hard to notice) > -lots in Midnight in Tula > -when the sequence starts in Ayers Majestic and in the corresponding (ie, > last) section of Horizon > -also, the intro in the 1st set of the 75 Pop'd Orange show (acoming part of > TT3) > > Another really common sound effect (in the early 80s) goes in my database > currently under the simple title 'rustle 2', has anyone got a better one? > Here's where it occurs: > -The end of the sequence in Tangram set 1 (7.30) and at other points, too > -The 'Undulation' track on TT vol. 14 > -The end of 'The Price', on the 80-82 shows > -Horns of Doom > -When the main theme starts in Beach Theme > -The beginning of Calymba Caly ('antique part') > -lots on Pilots of Purple Twilight, Exit, Valley of the Sun > -intro of Silver Scale on Tangents > -in Choronzon, 3.45 at the studio version (have to check live versions yet) > -Alleywalk and Moorland > -the TT vol. 10 version of Thermal Inversion (section 1) - other tours lack > this > -Speed > -intro of Poland? (slightly edited) > -1.56 into Network 23 > > Here's also some other curious things... > > # The fourth bass sequence (the one that kicks in during the guitar solo) on > Cool Breeze of Brighton is from Ride on a Ray > # The studio additions part of Story of the Brave has the same melody line > as Coppercoast (on Tangents) > # The harpsichort patch plays identical lines during the Marakesh intro and > the sax / flute transistion phase in Long Island Sunset > # Kiew Mission, Polish Dance and Choronzon studio version share a common > drumbeat (zizi zizup, zop, zap) > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 7:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain >I guess it rather boils down to the question how >people grew up. Well, I first heard TD when I was 5. My dad has always had a very wide musical taste (from Schubert to Gentle Giant to Jarre to Red Hot Chili Peppers) so I naturally heard a lot of different things. Jarre was my first favourite; TD came quickly afterwards. But the technicality had no role in it. I do not find electronics an essential element of music; I like quite a bit of standard instrumental music, too (eg Pekka Pohjola). I don't know why I like TD so much, but do I need to? >armin BTW; it took me quite long to figure out that people like Armin Theissen, Marion Horrod or Morgan Feldon are actually male. Might be because here in Finnish there are women's names like 'Armi' or 'Mari' & the first Morgans I ever met (online) were female.. > > Women's and men's brains are not the same. AND the brains of some people, those with the Asperger syndome (like me), have also different brains. Our brain chemicals are different, so it's a difference on a more fundamental level... > > For instance, women 'use' both halfes while men - mostly the > > left OR right one. Women feel better poetry and painting, men - maths, > > physics and architecture or sculpture. Females may do 2-3 different >things > > at the same time, males - only one but more precisely. And so on and so >on. > > They and we are perfect halves of the unity. Just Yin & Yang. > > Of course, not every male understand maths, but majority of them is >better > > in that than majority of women. There are fathers who take care of their > > children better than their wifes do. And some mothers feel better as >bosses > > than housewifes. This is probably due to some deviations of the estrogen > > level during the pregnance. > > > > I find TD music closer to architecture and sculpture than to poetry. So, >it > > is in 'male' style. I find this generally rather stereotypizing. You basically claim that women are usually better than men in these poetry et al and vice versa, that it's rare for a woman to be good in math... it's not *that* contrastive. (At least I got the impression that you're strictly separating men and women - apologies if I'm wrong) > >That's why women, while listening to some > > classic TD tunes that lead TD fans to nirvana (for me it's Rubycon, > > Ricochet, Force Majeure, Central Parc and....), say usually : 'Come on, >it's > > boring!'. They prefer shorter, vocal pieces with > > not-so-complicated-structure. My wife does so, too;-) This applies to 99% of the people I know, anyway. Males and females alike. > > So, women on this list, are Your brains 'typical for women'? Do You like >to > > use crayons to paint pictures with Your kids or rather You beat cruely >Your > > husbands/boyfriends/anyboysintheneighbourhood ? > > ;-))) > > > > Andy Whaddaya know, I'm _not_ a very Manly Man like the TD Fan Profile claims at the moment. I'm actually rather untestosteronic: (wow, am I coining new words in this post?) I have little, if any, competition instinct, I'm really unagressive, I don't drink beer (probably though because I'm not 18 yet), I ... well you get the point. > >And TD? They're just a > >couple of unsexy Teutons standing behind computers.  While there are a > >few brave women out there who admit to liking such geekery, they are > >definitely in the minority [...] So you're saying that _women_ want music to be sexy and _men_ don't? I really can't agree with that. Geeks are more like a 3rd gender, than a subdivision of males. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37787 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Mon 12/16/2002 2 KB 37790 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Stephen Manship billythefish01 Mon 12/16/2002 6 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 7:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: chaos theory >it can be argued that the beauty of all of the earlier, improv, >less-structured work from TD is that it only hinted at what might be there, >achingly... and in 30 years, that tease has never been fufilled... >and few things hold the human spirit in thrall more than an unfufilled >promise... in that sense, this music could be considered to be genius... I know composers which have specifically even said that they've just been looking for 30 years for that perfect song reflecting their whole musical vision... But yes, TD in the 70s did have this hints-of-something-divine feeling. >We (humans) invented time, and it can get a bit boring sometimes. Oh, really? If we invented it, what about our evolution? What about the stage when we almost had invented it? Did it flow slower, or to several ways simultaneously? And why do some laws of the physics still work only one way in time? >Perhaps we should adapt the 'random' buttons on our CD players to >counteract this? There should be a 'chaos' button which will jumble >up the individual notes :-) Could this be why TD changed the track >order of the albums on the melrose box? Is Edgar returning us to the >good old days of random equipment malfunctions and run-away >sequencers with the clicking on Cool at heart ;-) > >BTF What I've been thinking is something utterly random type of music. That is, first you create some random instruments; then you create random melodies; random fadings between things; random volume / stereo / speed / pitch adjustment... of course, this is mere speculation yet.. ;) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37794 Re: chaos theory Stephen Manship billythefish01 Mon 12/16/2002 4 KB From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 9:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain On Monday 16 December 2002 7:11 pm, John Vertical wrote: > BTW; it took me quite long to figure out that people like Armin > Theissen, Marion Horrod or Morgan Feldon are actually male. Might > be because here in Finnish there are women's names like 'Armi' or > 'Mari' & the first Morgans I ever met (online) were female.. Don't let Marion hear that!!! -- Dennis From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 9:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? Thanks Dale.......... I can only hope the movie theaters here in Denmark will reconsider or that it will be released on DVD soon. I would like to see TD make a soundtrack for a Star Trek movie. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Administrator' To: Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? > Well saw it Saturday. It ranks up there with the rest. I think the last one > had a bit more character to it than this one. It does fit well into the > series. > Jerry Goldsmith is credited for the main theme. There was a lot more > musicians in the score than him in the credits. > > When it comes out on DVD, I will add it to my collection. > > Dale's movie rank. I consider 'Chucky' the worst movie ever. I don't think I > seen the greatest movie yet. > 'The Keep' 8 > Chucky scale 0. > The greatest 10 > This Star Trek 8 > > Dale > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'vic rek' > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 10:18 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? > > > > Hi Jan, > > I do not understand the remark? Are movies in Denmark controlled? > > I see Denmark as a very progressive and free country... But you still > don't > > have the Euro, etc... > > So maybe we need a little geo-political lesson on Denmark, and BTW, are > > there ANY TD releases that were actually pressed in Denmark? > > Vic > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: PERGAMON > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 12:01 PM > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film > > > > > > > They have apparently decided here in Denamrk, not to show the new Star > > Trek > > > movie in the theaters................thanks a lot. So I will have to > wait > > > for the DVD-release.................is it worth waiting for?????? > > > > > > Regards > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: 'Wade Gordon' > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 3:38 PM > > > Subject: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film > > > > > > > > > > Hey gang, > > > > > > > > Yesterday I saw the new Star Trek film with music by > > > > Jerry Goldsmith. I must say that Jerry is certainly > > > > in form and synths are finally back. Whoopie!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Wade > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 9:20 pm Subject: Re: chaos theory Even on their 'Cantus Umbrarum' CD? Sounds like you're hearing things I'm not, and I'm the guy who released the album:) Dave Kaufman Horizon Music, Inc. www.hmnetwork.com > Lightwave try to compose in such a way as to avoid structure, melody > and rhythm. Yet I find inevitably, as the timer ticks away on the CD > player, their tracks become structured. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37795 Re: chaos theory Stephen Manship billythefish01 Mon 12/16/2002 2 KB From: 'Stephen Manship ' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 9:22 pm Subject: Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain > >I guess it rather boils down to the question how > >people grew up. My parents are both classical musicians (they met on an organ stool...), and I grew up around churches and cathedrals, singing in the choirs etc. My first introduction to electronica was Tomita and JMJ, which I quickly grew tired of. I was also heavily into Genesis, Queen, New Order and the Cocteau Twins (the latter are my second favourite band ever). It was a complete fluke when I first heard TD (Barbakane) played on the 'Friday Night Rock show'. It was a case of the music finding me rather than visa versa, and it was such a relief to have TD albums which I could listen to over and over without fatigue (when I could not afford to buy many). > Well, I first heard TD when I was 5. My dad has always had a very wide > musical taste (from Schubert to Gentle Giant to Jarre to Red Hot Chili > Peppers) so I naturally heard a lot of different things. Jarre was my first > favourite; TD came quickly afterwards. But the technicality had no role in > it. I do not find electronics an essential element of music; I like quite a > bit of standard instrumental music, too (eg Pekka Pohjola). I don't know why > I like TD so much, but do I need to? I too am not into the technology one bit, but I definitely know that the fact I am now an Architect and a TD fan are both connected to those cathedrals in my early days. You can imagine the effect that Live! Improvised! had on me when I first heard it. > > BTW; it took me quite long to figure out that people like Armin Theissen, > Marion Horrod or Morgan Feldon are actually male. Might be because here in > Finnish there are women's names like 'Armi' or 'Mari' & the first Morgans I > ever met (online) were female.. I think Marion is female!!! Correct me if I am wrong! > > >That's why women, while listening to some > > > classic TD tunes that lead TD fans to nirvana (for me it's Rubycon, > > > Ricochet, Force Majeure, Central Parc and....), say usually : 'Come on, > >it's > > > boring!'. They prefer shorter, vocal pieces with > > > not-so-complicated-structure. My wife does so, too;-) > > > This applies to 99% of the people I know, anyway. Males and females alike. > I think this point has more to do with 'sheep following the flock' than it has to do with words and structures. If you look at the classical world (where musical forms are often very similar to TD work) the audience is largely 50/50. > > > > So, women on this list, are Your brains 'typical for women'? Do You like > >to > > > use crayons to paint pictures with Your kids or rather You beat cruely > >Your > > > husbands/boyfriends/anyboysintheneighbourhood ? > > > ;-))) > > > > > > Andy > > > Whaddaya know, I'm _not_ a very Manly Man like the TD Fan Profile claims at > the moment. I'm actually rather untestosteronic: (wow, am I coining new > words in this post?) I have little, if any, competition instinct, I'm really > unagressive, I don't drink beer (probably though because I'm not 18 yet), I > ... well you get the point. I definitely drink beer (why do you think I am called Billy the Fish?), but I see a lot of myself in what you are saying. I have more female friends than male and often find myself in an agony aunt situation! I am rubbish at mending my car, am utterly passive (even while riding a push-bike around London), I am not in to Sci-Fi or computers (although I am a bit of a gadget addict)... but I HATE 'girly films', so there is hope for my manliness yet! > > > >And TD? They're just a > > >couple of unsexy Teutons standing behind computers.  While there are a > > >few brave women out there who admit to liking such geekery, they are > > >definitely in the minority [...] Who says TD are geeks? EF was a scupltor who rubbed shoulders with Salvador Dali! His music made the headlines before the term 'geek' was invented (they were called hippies then ;-)). Computers were houses that cost as much as a country! BTF From: 'Administrator' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 9:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? That would prove very interesting. I think I have a cd with some of the Trek themes. I would most likely then buy that one if TD was doing it or a good part. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PERGAMON' To: Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? > Thanks Dale.......... > > I can only hope the movie theaters here in Denmark will reconsider or that > it will be released on DVD soon. > > I would like to see TD make a soundtrack for a Star Trek movie. > > Jan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Administrator' > To: > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? > > > > Well saw it Saturday. It ranks up there with the rest. I think the last > one > > had a bit more character to it than this one. It does fit well into the > > series. > > Jerry Goldsmith is credited for the main theme. There was a lot more > > musicians in the score than him in the credits. > > > > When it comes out on DVD, I will add it to my collection. > > > > Dale's movie rank. I consider 'Chucky' the worst movie ever. I don't think > I > > seen the greatest movie yet. > > 'The Keep' 8 > > Chucky scale 0. > > The greatest 10 > > This Star Trek 8 > > > > Dale > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'vic rek' > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 10:18 AM > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? > > > > > > > Hi Jan, > > > I do not understand the remark? Are movies in Denmark controlled? > > > I see Denmark as a very progressive and free country... But you still > > don't > > > have the Euro, etc... > > > So maybe we need a little geo-political lesson on Denmark, and BTW, are > > > there ANY TD releases that were actually pressed in Denmark? > > > Vic > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: PERGAMON > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 12:01 PM > > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film > > > > > > > > > > They have apparently decided here in Denamrk, not to show the new Star > > > Trek > > > > movie in the theaters................thanks a lot. So I will have to > > wait > > > > for the DVD-release.................is it worth waiting for?????? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: 'Wade Gordon' > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 3:38 PM > > > > Subject: [tadream] Off Topic-New Star Trek Film > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey gang, > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday I saw the new Star Trek film with music by > > > > > Jerry Goldsmith. I must say that Jerry is certainly > > > > > in form and synths are finally back. Whoopie!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wade > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Fred Yargui' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 9:28 pm Subject: RE : [tadream] DWT3 pics online Hello, Dreamers ! I have put the DWT3 pictures online. Please go to http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fred_y The former pics of DWT2 are still on line but as my web is limited in size, I shall delete those shortly. Again, thanks to Yannick and all the dreamers who contributed in the project. Yannick sent the cdrs to me and I must say it's a delight - again :-)) If you're a leave of mine, please contact me offlist for a trade (2:1 cdr). Best Regards, Fred Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38071 TT3 jerome ssaalyersjj Tue 1/7/2003 2 KB 39225 TT3 Morgan Feldon feldon23 Thu 2/20/2003 6 KB 39227 Re: TT3 Falcon ppgwave2000 Thu 2/20/2003 2 KB 39754 TT3 Michal Moroz mirstacja Thu 3/13/2003 2 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 9:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Depends on the term Geeks huh? I always used that term with the heavy dark rim glasses, slick down hair, needing a bath, non beer drinking, anti-music and pocket protector types. How things have changed.... dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 1:22 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain > >I guess it rather boils down to the question how > >people grew up. My parents are both classical musicians (they met on an organ stool...), and I grew up around churches and cathedrals, singing in the choirs etc. My first introduction to electronica was Tomita and JMJ, which I quickly grew tired of. I was also heavily into Genesis, Queen, New Order and the Cocteau Twins (the latter are my second favourite band ever). It was a complete fluke when I first heard TD (Barbakane) played on the 'Friday Night Rock show'. It was a case of the music finding me rather than visa versa, and it was such a relief to have TD albums which I could listen to over and over without fatigue (when I could not afford to buy many). > Well, I first heard TD when I was 5. My dad has always had a very wide > musical taste (from Schubert to Gentle Giant to Jarre to Red Hot Chili > Peppers) so I naturally heard a lot of different things. Jarre was my first > favourite; TD came quickly afterwards. But the technicality had no role in > it. I do not find electronics an essential element of music; I like quite a > bit of standard instrumental music, too (eg Pekka Pohjola). I don't know why > I like TD so much, but do I need to? I too am not into the technology one bit, but I definitely know that the fact I am now an Architect and a TD fan are both connected to those cathedrals in my early days. You can imagine the effect that Live! Improvised! had on me when I first heard it. > > BTW; it took me quite long to figure out that people like Armin Theissen, > Marion Horrod or Morgan Feldon are actually male. Might be because here in > Finnish there are women's names like 'Armi' or 'Mari' & the first Morgans I > ever met (online) were female.. I think Marion is female!!! Correct me if I am wrong! > > >That's why women, while listening to some > > > classic TD tunes that lead TD fans to nirvana (for me it's Rubycon, > > > Ricochet, Force Majeure, Central Parc and....), say usually : 'Come on, > >it's > > > boring!'. They prefer shorter, vocal pieces with > > > not-so-complicated-structure. My wife does so, too;-) > > > This applies to 99% of the people I know, anyway. Males and females alike. > I think this point has more to do with 'sheep following the flock' than it has to do with words and structures. If you look at the classical world (where musical forms are often very similar to TD work) the audience is largely 50/50. > > > > So, women on this list, are Your brains 'typical for women'? Do You like > >to > > > use crayons to paint pictures with Your kids or rather You beat cruely > >Your > > > husbands/boyfriends/anyboysintheneighbourhood ? > > > ;-))) > > > > > > Andy > > > Whaddaya know, I'm _not_ a very Manly Man like the TD Fan Profile claims at > the moment. I'm actually rather untestosteronic: (wow, am I coining new > words in this post?) I have little, if any, competition instinct, I'm really > unagressive, I don't drink beer (probably though because I'm not 18 yet), I > ... well you get the point. I definitely drink beer (why do you think I am called Billy the Fish?), but I see a lot of myself in what you are saying. I have more female friends than male and often find myself in an agony aunt situation! I am rubbish at mending my car, am utterly passive (even while riding a push-bike around London), I am not in to Sci-Fi or computers (although I am a bit of a gadget addict)... but I HATE 'girly films', so there is hope for my manliness yet! > > > >And TD? They're just a > > >couple of unsexy Teutons standing behind computers. While there are a > > >few brave women out there who admit to liking such geekery, they are > > >definitely in the minority [...] Who says TD are geeks? EF was a scupltor who rubbed shoulders with Salvador Dali! His music made the headlines before the term 'geek' was invented (they were called hippies then ;-)). Computers were houses that cost as much as a country! BTF ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Stephen Manship ' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 9:35 pm Subject: Re: chaos theory > >We (humans) invented time, and it can get a bit boring sometimes. > > > Oh, really? If we invented it, what about our evolution? What about the > stage when we almost had invented it? Did it flow slower, or to several ways > simultaneously? > And why do some laws of the physics still work only one way in time? > What I really meant was that we were the ones to become _aware_ of time. Of course it always existed, but we are the ones who chopped it into hours, minutes and seconds and became aware of a past present and future. I would love to know what my dog makes of Rubycon - v - Rockoon for example! Does she crave the anticipation of the arrival of the first sequence in the way that I do, or does she just accept it when it arrives? Does she become more restless with tracks from Rockoon in the same way I do? Who knows! I would love to know what it would be like to perceive the world without understanding the concept of time though. I would imagine it is far more relaxing, taking things as they come. > >Perhaps we should adapt the 'random' buttons on our CD players to > >counteract this? There should be a 'chaos' button which will jumble > >up the individual notes :-) Could this be why TD changed the track > >order of the albums on the melrose box? Is Edgar returning us to the > >good old days of random equipment malfunctions and run-away > >sequencers with the clicking on Cool at heart ;-) > > > >BTF > > > What I've been thinking is something utterly random type of music. That is, > first you create some random instruments; then you create random melodies; > random fadings between things; random volume / stereo / speed / pitch > adjustment... > > of course, this is mere speculation yet.. ;) > > John Vertical There was a modern composer (a contemporary of Schoenburg) who used a calculator with a random number generator to compose his music. I can't remember his name, but it was an agonising listen! Some how the chaos theory works better with visuals (such as fractals) than with music. BTF From: 'Stephen Manship ' Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002 9:39 pm Subject: Re: chaos theory Okay! Point taken :-0 But this is an exception right? There was an interview a while back (which I will try to find one day) where this was said, and it certainly rings true in a lot of their output! BTF --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, DAVKAUFMAN@a... wrote: > Even on their 'Cantus Umbrarum' CD? Sounds like you're hearing things I'm not, and I'm the guy who released the album:) > > Dave Kaufman > Horizon Music, Inc. > www.hmnetwork.com > > > Lightwave try to compose in such a way as to avoid structure, melody > > and rhythm. Yet I find inevitably, as the timer ticks away on the CD > > player, their tracks become structured. From: Alysoun Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 1:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Marion: High-five sister. Yup, never did the stupid girl things, not petty, hate gossip. Music is where it is at for me most of the time. Not that I am good at math, drink beer (hate beer), but I do believe that we'd all be better off if logic controlled the world and my friends have always been male because they are less petty and straight forward: Allison >Andy, that was a very interesting post on 'Sex and the brain' > >Now I'm _extremely_ left brain according to some test or other I took a >while ago. Maybe that explains why I'm an 'honorary guy' (good at maths and >logic problems, work in computing, drink beer, have mostly male friends and >am not interested in make-up, clothes or babies). And why I like TD. > >Or maybe not. I dunno. > >LnH > >Marion > >'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs >to be ...' S. Blakemore > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'esculap' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 2:22 am Subject: Re: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain >>esculap wrote: >> If You'd read a book 'The Sex of the Brain' >From: Armin Theissen >I guess it rather boils down to the question how >people grew up. >Where comes the gender-specific factor? I guess >it was because - at least in these days - it was >more the boys who would be raised with more technical >toys rather than girls. After the WWII, when Jews planned to crowd their 'new' land on Near East, they made an interesting research. They placed their (or parentless) new born children in kibutz (I'm not sure if I spell it correctly), a place they grew up together without their parents. But it wasn't just a kindergarten - boys as much as girls worn same suits and played same toys. The idea was to check out if they become 'unisex' in the future. And despite of identical raising methods, the children felt somehow their young sexes - girls preferred dolls, boys - cars and trains ;-) Yes, if you'd live among killers, you'd probable become the same crimer. But if you live among TD fans, perhaps you'll love those tunes, but it's not so sure. Maybe you'll start to hate them? >I was not brought up with music >by my parents, and rather followed the pop charts >as a kid slowly sliding into puberty (and that >was in the 70s - Abba, Smokie, that sort of stuff, >oh dear, and Status Quo of course ;-) ), and >if I wouldn't have had that two years older cousin >who I wanted to be like a bit and who came with >Pink Floyd's 'Wish you were here' and later, when >I followed the Pink Floyd track, with TD's Force >Majeure and Cyclone (the gate-fold, with the >coolest TD line up picture in it), I would probably >still follow the charts? Instead, my CD shelf is >full of TD, Schulze, Stockhausen, Cage, ah, and >Satriani, Stevie Ray Vaughan etc. (because Status >Quo made me picking up guitar... ;-) ) >And since I had an interest >in electronics, the pictures of all those huge >modular synths fascinated me. So I guess 50% of >my early affection for TD and the like stems from >the fact that it just looked so damn cool to >be surrounded by all that blinking LEDs and patchcords >and knobs and sliders - like on the bridge of the >Enterprise or so. After all, that was also a piece >of music for me, all those bleeps and pings on the >(classic) Enterprise bridge - a great piece of >music. And maybe You were pre-programmed to like blinking LEDs and knobs, and...TD? A different person, treated the same way with ABBA, the Rubbettes, Smokie etc. and then with Pink Floyd and Schulze would perhaps say (in the presence of blinking LEDs) 'no, no, no, I dislike this , I prefer custom Christmas tree and ABBA is perfect to me'. Genetics? >Don't want to put your theory down, ...not mine...I only agree with it. >but to point >out that your environment is a big factor, and >that traditionally there is a difference >between girls and buys in the way they are >brought up. My two sisters were growing up in almost the same time and 'circumstancies' but they seem to be from different planets now. >We're getting a baby soon GRATULATIONS >(Wonder how he/she will pick up on my analog >keyboards... ;-) ) I suppose, she will treat them with a red lipstick, and he will use a hummer :-) Better place Your precious CDs higher... Andy From: 'esculap' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 2:22 am Subject: Re: The Snowman - Howard Blake >From: 'John Vertical' >>They used other 'non-original' pieces - Ludvig van Beethoven's 'Moonlight >>Sonata' on 'Stratosfear' >Waitwaitwait. Where exactly? I knew the La Folia thing already, but where is >this? the piano on Invisible Limits? >John Vertical Yes, at the end of this piece. Andy From: 'esculap' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 2:33 am Subject: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain > > I find TD music closer to architecture and sculpture than to poetry. So, >>it is in 'male' style. >From: 'John Vertical' >I find this generally rather stereotypizing. You basically claim that women >are usually better than men in these poetry et al and vice versa, that it's >rare for a woman to be good in math... it's not *that* contrastive. Stereotypes don't come from heaven. They have strong basis. I was naturally talking about statistics, didn't mean ALL women are that and ALL men that. >(At least I got the impression that you're strictly separating men and women >- apologies if I'm wrong) NO,no,no, it's more fun to UNseparate from women ;-) > >That's why women, while listening to some > > classic TD tunes say usually : 'Come on, it's > > boring!'. They prefer shorter, vocal pieces with > > not-so-complicated-structure. My wife does so, too;-) >This applies to 99% of the people I know, anyway. Males and females alike. Yes, but from plenty of males and females I personally talked to, only a few answered: 'Yes, I like TD a lot'. They were MALES only... > > So, women on this list, are Your brains 'typical for women'? Do You like >to > > use crayons to paint pictures with Your kids or rather You beat cruely >Your > > husbands/boyfriends/anyboysintheneighbourhood ? > > ;-))) > > > > Andy >Whaddaya know, I'm _not_ a very Manly Man like the TD Fan Profile claims at >the moment. I'm actually rather untestosteronic: (wow, am I coining new >words in this post?) I have little, if any, competition instinct, I'm really >unagressive, I don't drink beer (probably though because I'm not 18 yet), I >... well you get the point. >John Vertical I wouldn't like to say that typical TD fan looks like Swarzenegger :-) And testosteron causes troubles mostly... And a big beer stomach doesn't make man more 'manly'. Though few women like it...(fortunately...) Wouldn't be our world boring if we were all Barbies and Kens only? Dream on, Andy PS. The only Marion I 'knew' was Robin Hood's girl. She didn't look as a male. From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 3:36 am Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #299 [ Best viewed with a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #299 December 12, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Jonn Serrie, a defining pioneer of the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Planetary Chronicles Volume 1' on the Miramar label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Sequencer' by Synergy (a.k.a. Larry Fast) on the Passport Records label. Jonn Serrie http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#dec PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Synergy Cybersports Sequencer (Passport) Wayne Lyttle Harmonic Voltage Animusic (Animusic) Jean Michel Jarre Oxygene Part IV Oxygene (Dreyfus) Redshift Halo Halo (Distant Sun) Otarion Select Select Creator (Neu Harmony) Tranzit H2O Tranz-Rapid (Groove) Alpha Wave Movement Liquid Cosmos A Distant Signal (HRR) Steve Roach Darkest Before Dawn * Darkest Before Dawn (Timeroom) 12:00 am Jonn Serrie Mystery Road Planetary Chronicles Volume 1 (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Dawn Trader Planetary Chronicles Volume 1 (Miramar) Jonn Serrie The Straits of Madigann Planetary Chronicles Volume 1 (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Starmoods Planetary Chronicles Volume 1 (Miramar) Jonn Serrie The Auran Vector Planetary Chronicles Volume 1 (Miramar) Max van Richter The House of Visual Resurrection (Neu Harmony) Transference 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Jonn Serrie. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Planetary Chronicles Volume 2' on the Miramar label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Chronos' by Michael Stearns on the Sonic Atmospheres label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 2:56 pm Subject: TD forum >Actually, I have a forum dedicated to the topic of TD concert recordings, >but it essentially self-destructed under the crushing weight of secrecy. >The diehard fans who possess the most recordings do not want to have a >high profile so the whole forum dried up. A late comment, I'm just back from holiday: sure, that was the reason ;-) For once you have a forum dedicated to information exchange, and a disciplined membership. Which also means, that they keep silent when they have nothing useful to add. What kind of thanks from the forum owner do we get for this?: complaints, complaints... Of course, the public areas of Morgans forum were always teeming with activity, until the silence on the private channels somehow emanated evil spirits and killed all activity there ;-) cheers, klaus From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 3:09 pm Subject: RE: TD references in unexpected places > From: Jens Kilian > Subject: TD references in unexpected places > > In Alastair Reynold's _Chasm City_ (an SF novel), he uses 'Tangerine Dream' > as a name for a gas-giant planet. It's just a throwaway reference, the > planet > doesn't actually play a major role. I wonder if AR is a fan... What's the year of the first issue of the novel? (just to clear who is a fanof whom... perhaps...) > Any other examples (except for ice cream, car dealers and porn stars, which > were already mentioned here :-)? For example: a Polish bath and shower gel, coming in a green bottle... Peter From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 3:14 pm Subject: Brain halves (was: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain) Got to jump in on the left brain/right brain thing... We did this test in HS, and I came in pretty much 'whole brained'. (very slightly to the left). The only other person that scored about like me was a girl who scored very slightly right-brained. My line of work seems to fit the whole-brain pretty well: I make 3-D CAD models of space flight hardware. Seeing things in 3-D is a right-brain activity. Running the numbers and writing documentation is a left-brained activity. Kind of an odd mix for working. There is one woman in my office who has no sense of 3-D and how things fit together, but she's a very 'girly' girl (likes dolls, soft piano music, decorates the office at Christmas, etc.) There is another woman here who has a great sense of 3D, is an excellent writer (does newspaper columns on the side), and is working on a PhD in Chemical Engineering. She's one of the more 'manly' women I know, rides a bicycle to work 12 miles everyday, very active in the community, used to own a coffee shop, etc. Somehow, niether of these ladies seems to fit the mold of left-brain/right-brain. On the other hand, both of them have listened to, and enjoyed, TD and other EM that I have played at the office and in my car. So how's that for muddling the issue.... James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37804 Re: Brain halves (was: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain) pfellows@c... paulfellowstd Tue 12/17/2002 3 KB 37807 Re: Brain halves (was: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain) Administrator dale1kay Tue 12/17/2002 4 KB 37810 Re: Brain halves (was: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain) Owens, James yxalag2 Tue 12/17/2002 3 KB 37819 Re: Brain halves (was: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain) Administrator dale1kay Tue 12/17/2002 4 KB From: pfellows@c... Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 8:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Brain halves (was: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain) ----Message d'origine---- >A: ''tadream@yahoogroups.com'' >De: 'Owens, James' >Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:14:59 -0600 >Sujet: [tadream] Brain halves (was: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain) > >Got to jump in on the left brain/right brain thing... > >We did this test in HS, and I came in pretty much 'whole brained'. (very >slightly to the left). >The only other person that scored about like me was a girl who scored very >slightly right-brained. > >My line of work seems to fit the whole-brain pretty well: >I make 3-D CAD models of space flight hardware. Seeing things in 3-D is a >right-brain activity. Running the numbers and writing documentation is a >left-brained activity. Kind of an odd mix for working. > >There is one woman in my office who has no sense of 3-D and how things fit >together, but she's a very 'girly' girl (likes dolls, soft piano music, >decorates the office at Christmas, etc.) > >There is another woman here who has a great sense of 3D, is an excellent >writer (does newspaper columns on the side), and is working on a PhD in >Chemical Engineering. She's one of the more 'manly' women I know, rides a >bicycle to work 12 miles everyday, very active in the community, used to own >a coffee shop, etc. > >Somehow, niether of these ladies seems to fit the mold of >left-brain/right-brain. > >On the other hand, both of them have listened to, and enjoyed, TD and other >EM that I have played at the office and in my car. > >So how's that for muddling the issue.... > >James So let me get this straight...you managed to coax two women from your office into your car and all you did was play them TD music?!! Sorry, couldn't resist it :-) Paul From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 4:55 pm Subject: Re: TD forum >Klaus Beschorner said: > >Morgan said: > >Actually, I have a forum dedicated to the topic of TD concert recordings, > >but it essentially self-destructed under the crushing weight of secrecy. > >The diehard fans who possess the most recordings do not want to have a > >high profile so the whole forum dried up. > >A late comment, I'm just back from holiday: >sure, that was the reason ;-) For once you have a forum dedicated to >information exchange, and a disciplined membership. Which also means, >that they keep silent when they have nothing useful to add. What kind >of thanks from the forum owner do we get for this?: complaints, complaints... > >Of course, the public areas of Morgans forum were always teeming with >activity, until the silence on the private channels somehow emanated >evil spirits and killed all activity there ;-) When I started TD in 1996, it was hard to get straight, definitive answers about all my TD questions. Despite constant efforts to learn as much as possible about TD concerts, TD albums, etc., it has taken, what? 6 years to get a grasp on it all? This is because the people with the really good information generally keep it to themselves. And since I created my forum, it has turned into the same thing. A handful of people with all the knowledge locked away, and then a public area where every response is measured and cryptic. I am not even close to accomplishing what I set out to create the forum to accomplish. Your constant fears of getting arrested for having and discussing TD concert recordings don't sufficiently motivate me to keep the forum locked away. I want a bustling community, not 3 posts a month. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37806 Re: TD forum Stephen Manship billythefish01 Tue 12/17/2002 4 KB From: 'Stephen Manship ' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 5:05 pm Subject: Re: TD forum Could one problem be that a lot of these collectors do not have the kind of computer access that we have? It is so easy to take for granted this means of communication, but I am constantly being caught out in my line of work with clients that don't even own a computer! Perhaps some of the great collectors (especiallly from your favourite era Morgan) are still die-hard hippies living in the hills? Nice thought come to think of it ;-) BTF --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Morgan Feldon wrote: > > >Klaus Beschorner said: > > >Morgan said: > > >Actually, I have a forum dedicated to the topic of TD concert recordings, > > >but it essentially self-destructed under the crushing weight of secrecy. > > >The diehard fans who possess the most recordings do not want to have a > > >high profile so the whole forum dried up. > > > >A late comment, I'm just back from holiday: > >sure, that was the reason ;-) For once you have a forum dedicated to > >information exchange, and a disciplined membership. Which also means, > >that they keep silent when they have nothing useful to add. What kind > >of thanks from the forum owner do we get for this?: complaints, complaints... > > > >Of course, the public areas of Morgans forum were always teeming with > >activity, until the silence on the private channels somehow emanated > >evil spirits and killed all activity there ;-) > > When I started TD in 1996, it was hard to get straight, definitive answers > about all my TD questions. Despite constant efforts to learn as much as > possible about TD concerts, TD albums, etc., it has taken, what? 6 years to > get a grasp on it all? > > This is because the people with the really good information generally keep > it to themselves. And since I created my forum, it has turned into the same > thing. A handful of people with all the knowledge locked away, and then a > public area where every response is measured and cryptic. I am not even > close to accomplishing what I set out to create the forum to accomplish. > > Your constant fears of getting arrested for having and discussing TD > concert recordings don't sufficiently motivate me to keep the forum locked > away. I want a bustling community, not 3 posts a month. > > -Morgan From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 5:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Brain halves (was: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain) That is what he confessed too, Paul. What was he playing now is the next question. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Brain halves (was: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain) > ----Message d'origine---- > >A: ''tadream@yahoogroups.com'' > > >De: 'Owens, James' > >Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:14:59 -0600 > >Sujet: [tadream] Brain halves (was: attention ladies/girls > and the uncertain) > > > >Got to jump in on the left brain/right brain thing... > > > >We did this test in HS, and I came in pretty much 'whole > brained'. (very > >slightly to the left). > >The only other person that scored about like me was a girl > who scored very > >slightly right-brained. > > > >My line of work seems to fit the whole-brain pretty well: > >I make 3-D CAD models of space flight hardware. Seeing > things in 3-D is a > >right-brain activity. Running the numbers and writing > documentation is a > >left-brained activity. Kind of an odd mix for working. > > > >There is one woman in my office who has no sense of 3-D > and how things fit > >together, but she's a very 'girly' girl (likes dolls, soft piano > music, > >decorates the office at Christmas, etc.) > > > >There is another woman here who has a great sense of > 3D, is an excellent > >writer (does newspaper columns on the side), and is > working on a PhD in > >Chemical Engineering. She's one of the more 'manly' > women I know, rides a > >bicycle to work 12 miles everyday, very active in the > community, used to own > >a coffee shop, etc. > > > >Somehow, niether of these ladies seems to fit the mold of > >left-brain/right-brain. > > > >On the other hand, both of them have listened to, and > enjoyed, TD and other > >EM that I have played at the office and in my car. > > > >So how's that for muddling the issue.... > > > >James > > So let me get this straight...you managed to coax two > women from your office into your car and all you did was > play them TD music?!! > > Sorry, couldn't resist it :-) > > Paul From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 5:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD forum 3 a month wont cut it, but 3 excellent posts a month is better than nada. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:55 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: TD forum > > >Klaus Beschorner said: > > >Morgan said: > > >Actually, I have a forum dedicated to the topic of TD concert recordings, > > >but it essentially self-destructed under the crushing weight of secrecy. > > >The diehard fans who possess the most recordings do not want to have a > > >high profile so the whole forum dried up. > > > >A late comment, I'm just back from holiday: > >sure, that was the reason ;-) For once you have a forum dedicated to > >information exchange, and a disciplined membership. Which also means, > >that they keep silent when they have nothing useful to add. What kind > >of thanks from the forum owner do we get for this?: complaints, complaints... > > > >Of course, the public areas of Morgans forum were always teeming with > >activity, until the silence on the private channels somehow emanated > >evil spirits and killed all activity there ;-) > > When I started TD in 1996, it was hard to get straight, definitive answers > about all my TD questions. Despite constant efforts to learn as much as > possible about TD concerts, TD albums, etc., it has taken, what? 6 years to > get a grasp on it all? > > This is because the people with the really good information generally keep > it to themselves. And since I created my forum, it has turned into the same > thing. A handful of people with all the knowledge locked away, and then a > public area where every response is measured and cryptic. I am not even > close to accomplishing what I set out to create the forum to accomplish. > > Your constant fears of getting arrested for having and discussing TD > concert recordings don't sufficiently motivate me to keep the forum locked > away. I want a bustling community, not 3 posts a month. > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 5:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD forum I wonder what they are doing for power to play the CD's or records (perhaps a wind up)? dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:05 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: TD forum > Could one problem be that a lot of these collectors do not have the > kind of computer access that we have? It is so easy to take for > granted this means of communication, but I am constantly being caught > out in my line of work with clients that don't even own a computer! > > Perhaps some of the great collectors (especiallly from your favourite > era Morgan) are still die-hard hippies living in the hills? > > Nice thought come to think of it ;-) > > BTF > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Morgan Feldon wrote: > > > > >Klaus Beschorner said: > > > >Morgan said: > > > >Actually, I have a forum dedicated to the topic of TD concert > recordings, > > > >but it essentially self-destructed under the crushing weight of > secrecy. > > > >The diehard fans who possess the most recordings do not want to > have a > > > >high profile so the whole forum dried up. > > > > > >A late comment, I'm just back from holiday: > > >sure, that was the reason ;-) For once you have a forum dedicated > to > > >information exchange, and a disciplined membership. Which also > means, > > >that they keep silent when they have nothing useful to add. What > kind > > >of thanks from the forum owner do we get for this?: complaints, > complaints... > > > > > >Of course, the public areas of Morgans forum were always teeming > with > > >activity, until the silence on the private channels somehow > emanated > > >evil spirits and killed all activity there ;-) > > > > When I started TD in 1996, it was hard to get straight, definitive > answers > > about all my TD questions. Despite constant efforts to learn as > much as > > possible about TD concerts, TD albums, etc., it has taken, what? 6 > years to > > get a grasp on it all? > > > > This is because the people with the really good information > generally keep > > it to themselves. And since I created my forum, it has turned into > the same > > thing. A handful of people with all the knowledge locked away, and > then a > > public area where every response is measured and cryptic. I am not > even > > close to accomplishing what I set out to create the forum to > accomplish. > > > > Your constant fears of getting arrested for having and discussing > TD > > concert recordings don't sufficiently motivate me to keep the forum > locked > > away. I want a bustling community, not 3 posts a month. > > > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 5:52 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Brain halves (was: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain) I play different stuff around them. I usually stick to more melodic stuff around 'A' (the 'girlie' girl). I have given her a CD with the opening piano part of Pergammon, Rumpel Town, 29 Palms, Livemiles-Berlin part 1, and one of Haslinger's '86 piano medlies. The Disc also contained Purple Waves and Riding into Blue from Franke's Pacific Coast Highway. Anyway, she likes the disc very much. I have also played some of my own compositions for her, which she seemed to appreciate (perhaps just being polite?) Woman 'B' is a different story. She seems to 'get into' whatever I happen to be playing at the time, especially if it's got a good beat. She has expressed 'specific interest' in some of the Dark Side of the Moog series. In her car she typically plays either the hard-rock station or the classical station, depending on the day. But she's usually on her bike, so I don't ride in her car very often. James BTW Paul - I'd like to keep my job (and my marriage for that matter), so making TD converts out of these ladies is my highest aspiration ;-) > -----Original Message----- > That is what he confessed too, Paul. > > What was he playing now is the next question. > > Dale > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > So let me get this straight...you managed to coax two > > women from your office into your car and all you did was > > play them TD music?!! > > > > Sorry, couldn't resist it :-) > > > > Paul From: 'goatsong99 ' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 12:26 pm Subject: Re: Off Topic-New Star Trek Film - Denmark? A bit late, but to whoever it was that asked me how old I was, I'm 21. 22 next month..lol. I may have been exagerating when I said I outgrew Star Trek at 12... I stopped watching it when DSN started, seems like it all went downhill from there. Before that... well, I had a cruch on Riker.. lol. That was what got me watching it to begin with, then my Mom got into the whole sci-fi thing... not sure how, since you can't even get her in the same room as a computer! From: 'goatsong99 ' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 12:22 pm Subject: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Hmm.. I have been getting anything sent thru Yahoo about 4 days late the last week... I've made tons of answers to posts, and gotten every single one back because I'm bouncing. I have reset my accounts some 6 or 8 times a day all this week, but it just keeps bouncing. Any simular problems for anyone else? I already checked with my ISP, and no problems they care to admit, and my inbox is emptied at least 4 times aday, with a 10 meg limit, so I doubt they are really bouncing. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37815 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Owens, James yxalag2 Tue 12/17/2002 3 KB 37817 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Debra Wilson goatsong99 Tue 12/17/2002 3 KB 37816 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Administrator dale1kay Tue 12/17/2002 3 KB 37835 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? tony.vandergaag@p... symfoon Wed 12/18/2002 4 KB 37840 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Debra Wilson goatsong99 Wed 12/18/2002 5 KB 37842 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 12/18/2002 5 KB 37849 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Debra Wilson goatsong99 Wed 12/18/2002 7 KB 37854 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 12/18/2002 6 KB 37885 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Debra Wilson goatsong99 Thu 12/19/2002 4 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 9:06 am Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Wow! That was interesting! I won't say I'm going to go beat anyone senseless (hehe) but I will side with the male brain- although I have to be doing about 20 things when I'm on the comp, but any othe trtime, I do one and only one thing, and do my best. When I was in school I was great at math, though it took me a bit to get the concept of something new. Art and poetry... art I love.. so long as it calls to me... poetry.. um.. I have to be in the mood for that. A good mud fight? Bring it on! Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: esculap [mailto:andrzejos@e...] Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 6:25 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain If You'd read a book 'The Sex of the Brain' (a great one, I don't remember the authors... they were from Canada and Britain, I suppose), You'd know the answer...... From: 'P.M. Dierking' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 1:26 am Subject: Re: derivatives John Vertical wrote: << Polish Dance and Choronzon studio version share a common drumbeat (zizi zizup, zop, zap)>> The upper register sequence of Polish Dance is rather derivative of Choronzon as well. I'd have to view Polish Dance as an evolution of Choronzon, actually. Have you ever noticed that Schmoelling's Icewalk (from White Out) is a derivative of Zebbyworld index 8102? Check out the Newcastle (25 Oct 1981) recording about 33:25 through 37:20 in the second half of the concert. Compare to Icewalk from 2:07 through 4:52. In either song, its an incredible passage! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37820 Re: derivatives John Vertical omegatransfinito Tue 12/17/2002 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 6:19 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? I've had to reset my yahoogroups about 5 times over the last several months. Not too bad, since I've been too busy to read or post anyway. (Only reason I'm posting now is that I'm putting off doing something that needed to be done last Friday!) James > -----Original Message----- > From: goatsong99 > Hmm.. I have been getting anything sent thru Yahoo about 4 days late > the last week... I've made tons of answers to posts, and gotten > every single one back because I'm bouncing. > I have reset my accounts some 6 or 8 times a day all this week, but > it just keeps bouncing. > Any simular problems for anyone else? I already checked with my ISP, > and no problems they care to admit, and my inbox is emptied at least > 4 times aday, with a 10 meg limit, so I doubt they are really > bouncing. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37817 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Debra Wilson goatsong99 Tue 12/17/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 6:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? welcome to yahoo's wonderful world just a matter of time before they get back to me to do the same... dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:22 AM Subject: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? > Hmm.. I have been getting anything sent thru Yahoo about 4 days late > the last week... I've made tons of answers to posts, and gotten > every single one back because I'm bouncing. > I have reset my accounts some 6 or 8 times a day all this week, but > it just keeps bouncing. > Any simular problems for anyone else? I already checked with my ISP, > and no problems they care to admit, and my inbox is emptied at least > 4 times aday, with a 10 meg limit, so I doubt they are really > bouncing. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37835 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? tony.vandergaag@p... symfoon Wed 12/18/2002 4 KB 37840 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Debra Wilson goatsong99 Wed 12/18/2002 5 KB 37842 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 12/18/2002 5 KB 37849 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Debra Wilson goatsong99 Wed 12/18/2002 7 KB 37854 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 12/18/2002 6 KB 37885 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Debra Wilson goatsong99 Thu 12/19/2002 4 KB 37850 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? tony.vandergaag@p... symfoon Wed 12/18/2002 6 KB 37852 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Debra Wilson goatsong99 Wed 12/18/2002 7 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 6:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Hmm... weird... can't be just me and my friend are having probs, but it seems like it! lol Thanks for the responce James. Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 10:20 AM To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? I've had to reset my yahoogroups about 5 times over the last several months. Not too bad, since I've been too busy to read or post anyway. (Only reason I'm posting now is that I'm putting off doing something that needed to be done last Friday!) James From: 'Brad Kuhn ' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 6:24 pm Subject: Looking for Suggestions... Folks- I've been lurking for awhile and wanted to do a quick intro. My name is Brad - I live in Maryland, US and have been listening to TD, Jarre, and Schulze for about 20 years. The majority of my electronic collection is unfortunately in vinyl, and since I don't have my turntable hooked up, I don't get a chance to listen to it! I've been slowly rebuilding my collection on CD and wanted some suggestions. I recently ordered the trilogy set and am looking forward to listening to it (though I already have all the original CDs). I'm more interested in the 'melodic' recordings and not so much the 'ambient' recordings. I like Underwater Sunlight and picked up Poland last night and am really enjoying it (listening to it right now). I consider Jarre's Oxygene to be one of my ten 'stranded on a beach' CDs. So what other suggestions does the group have for me? Would prefer works that are in print. Thanks! B Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37822 Re: Looking for Suggestions... bjoernsip bjoernsip Tue 12/17/2002 2 KB 37943 Re: Looking for Suggestions... Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Sun 12/22/2002 2 KB 37944 RE : [tadream] Re: Looking for Suggestions... Fred Yargui fredyargui Sun 12/22/2002 3 KB 37833 Re: Looking for Suggestions... braddito braddito Wed 12/18/2002 2 KB 37933 Re: Looking for Suggestions... Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 12/20/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 6:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Brain halves (was: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain) This sounds text book, of course James. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Owens, James' To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:52 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] Brain halves (was: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain) > I play different stuff around them. I usually stick to more melodic stuff > around 'A' (the 'girlie' girl). I have given her a CD with the opening > piano part of Pergammon, Rumpel Town, 29 Palms, Livemiles-Berlin part 1, and > one of Haslinger's '86 piano medlies. The Disc also contained Purple Waves > and Riding into Blue from Franke's Pacific Coast Highway. Anyway, she likes > the disc very much. I have also played some of my own compositions for her, > which she seemed to appreciate (perhaps just being polite?) > > Woman 'B' is a different story. She seems to 'get into' whatever I happen > to be playing at the time, especially if it's got a good beat. She has > expressed 'specific interest' in some of the Dark Side of the Moog series. > In her car she typically plays either the hard-rock station or the classical > station, depending on the day. But she's usually on her bike, so I don't > ride in her car very often. > > James > > BTW Paul - I'd like to keep my job (and my marriage for that matter), so > making TD converts out of these ladies is my highest aspiration ;-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > That is what he confessed too, Paul. > > > > What was he playing now is the next question. > > > > Dale > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > So let me get this straight...you managed to coax two > > > women from your office into your car and all you did was > > > play them TD music?!! > > > > > > Sorry, couldn't resist it :-) > > > > > > Paul > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 6:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: derivatives >The upper register sequence of Polish Dance is rather derivative of >Choronzon as well. I'd have to view >Polish Dance as an evolution of Choronzon, actually. I agree, but I'm not listing those sorts of things yet. It's just a similar structure... not mimed. This applies as well to the end-set piece of early 80s, the one played always after Force Majeure - versus the Logos finale. >Have you ever noticed that Schmoelling's Icewalk (from White Out) is a >derivative of Zebbyworld index 8102? Check out the Newcastle (25 Oct 1981) >recording about 33:25 through 37:20 in the second half of the concert. >Compare to Icewalk from 2:07 through 4:52. In either song, its an >incredible passage! Someone else noted this already a while ago. BTW, '8102' is commonly known as 'Thermal Inversion'. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 6:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorry! > > BTW; it took me quite long to figure out that people like Armin >Theissen, > > Marion Horrod or Morgan Feldon are actually male. Might be because >here in > > Finnish there are women's names like 'Armi' or 'Mari' & the first >Morgans I > > ever met (online) were female.. > >I think Marion is female!!! Correct me if I am wrong! ARGH! Am I just plain stubid or what? Sorry, Marion... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From: 'bjoernsip ' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 7:04 pm Subject: Re: Looking for Suggestions... a very difficult question, I think this would be my personal top-ten by now (in addition of the ones you´ve mentioned before): 01: Tangerine Dream - The i-box 02: Christopher Franke - The London Concert 03: Johannes Schmoelling - Songs No Words 04: Klaus Schulze - X 05: Vangelis - 1492 (Conquest of paradise) 06: Tangerine Dream - 220 Volt (live) 07: Ashra - Blackouts 08: Mike Oldfield - Songs of distant earth 09: Eloy - Oceans 10: Kitaro - The Silk Road But there are so much more to be mentioned....... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37943 Re: Looking for Suggestions... Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Sun 12/22/2002 2 KB 37944 RE : [tadream] Re: Looking for Suggestions... Fred Yargui fredyargui Sun 12/22/2002 3 KB From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 7:22 pm Subject: Re: chaos theory > Okay! Point taken :-0 But this is an exception right? I would say yes. Christian Jacob has told me that a lot of the post-'Cantus Umbrarum' stuff Lightwave has been working on has much more rhythm than 'Cantus' did. I think 'Caryotype', for example, is indicative of what you're saying. Cordially, Dave Kaufman Horizon Music, Inc. www.hmnetwork.com From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 7:47 pm Subject: RE: Random I've really been enjoying the Nord modular I bought, soft synths offer similar. Randomizing borders on the divine for me. Controlled Randomization would probably be a better term, because you can limit the randomization to a range or specific notes if you want. A modular synth system is a great playground, I've always have been fascinated by random things. True random is rare, I don't think the Nord has true random but uses psuedo (algorithmic) random. In the computer industry psuedo random is very useful because of the repeatability of the number sequence, it gives you repeatable test results, or repeatable modular patches. >What I've been thinking is something utterly random type of music. That is, >first you create some random instruments; then you create random melodies; >random fadings between things; random volume / stereo / speed / pitch >adjustment... > >of course, this is mere speculation yet.. ;) > >John Vertical Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37825 Re: Random Administrator dale1kay Tue 12/17/2002 4 KB 37828 Re: Random Owens, James yxalag2 Tue 12/17/2002 3 KB 37830 Re: Random Marcel Engels mars103nl Tue 12/17/2002 4 KB 37841 Re: Random billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 12/18/2002 2 KB 37843 Re: Random Synthhtnys@a... Wed 12/18/2002 2 KB 37844 Re: Random billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 12/18/2002 2 KB 37847 Re: Random Marcel Engels mars103nl Wed 12/18/2002 2 KB 37855 Re: Random Armin Theissen armin_theissen Wed 12/18/2002 3 KB 37856 Re: Random Synthhtnys@a... Wed 12/18/2002 2 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 8:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Random You could use a computer to trigger the random events. Many ways to do such, write a program in VB that sends out random midi to your sequencer, triggers, and so forth. Base it on random flux of quanta derived or attached a antenna and let nature determine the random event via lighting strikes or other emi in the area. I am sure the background flux of the microwave radiation would serve nicely here too. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Whiteley, Steve' To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 11:47 AM Subject: [tadream] RE: Random > I've really been enjoying the Nord modular I bought, soft synths offer > similar. Randomizing borders on the divine for me. Controlled Randomization > would probably be a better term, because you can limit the randomization to > a range or specific notes if you want. A modular synth system is a great > playground, I've always have been fascinated by random things. True random > is rare, I don't think the Nord has true random but uses psuedo > (algorithmic) random. In the computer industry psuedo random is very useful > because of the repeatability of the number sequence, it gives you repeatable > test results, or repeatable modular patches. > > >What I've been thinking is something utterly random type of music. That is, > > >first you create some random instruments; then you create random melodies; > >random fadings between things; random volume / stereo / speed / pitch > >adjustment... > > > >of course, this is mere speculation yet.. ;) > > > >John Vertical > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 8:10 pm Subject: barbie and ken >Wouldn't be our world boring if we were all Barbies and Kens only? not sure--but certainlymore in-bred as, IIRC, Ken is Barbie's brother.... --T _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: Marion Horrod Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 8:18 pm Subject: Gendered names John, I can assure you _I'm_ not male, although Marion can be a man's name (I believe it was John Wayne's real middle name). It's just that my dad (who registered my birth) can't spell! (The more usual female spelling is Marian, as in Robin Hood and Maid Marian - an old English folk story.) But I forgive you. LnH Marion 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs to be ...' S. Blakemore Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37829 Re: Gendered names Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Tue 12/17/2002 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 8:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Random Didn't Synergy do an album of music played by a computer program? I was thinking 'Computer Experiments Volume 1' was created by an algorithm that randomly changed chords, voices, and so forth within a certain structure. Either way, I really like that album, very ambient compared to most Synergy albums. Of course, if you want true random 'music', get the set of Voyager recordings that NASA released. If you haven't heard of these, they are recording of EM radiation in space at various places (at the bow shock of Jupiter's Magnetosphere, for instance). The sounds are quite spectacular, and well worth adding to your collection (for the novelty if nothing else). I find them great to relax and/or sleep to (fairly ambient by nature). James > -----Original Message----- > You could use a computer to trigger the random events. > > Many ways to do such, write a program in VB that sends out > random midi to > your sequencer, triggers, and so forth. Base it on random > flux of quanta > derived or attached a antenna and let nature determine the > random event via > lighting strikes or other emi in the area. I am sure the > background flux of > the microwave radiation would serve nicely here too. > > dale Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37830 Re: Random Marcel Engels mars103nl Tue 12/17/2002 4 KB 37841 Re: Random billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 12/18/2002 2 KB From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 8:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Gendered names I thought Marion was the correct spelling! Marian being the 'olde' english version!!! Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Marion Horrod' To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:18 PM Subject: [tadream] Gendered names > John, I can assure you _I'm_ not male, although Marion can be a man's name > (I believe it was John Wayne's real middle name). It's just that my dad > (who registered my birth) can't spell! (The more usual female spelling is > Marian, as in Robin Hood and Maid Marian - an old English folk story.) > > But I forgive you. > > LnH > > Marion > > > 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs > to be ...' S. Blakemore > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 8:44 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Random Random music/sounds? Is that really interesting? :-) Nothing was random with TD, although the improvisations may sound like...it was more the results of 3 people jamming together and getting lots of ideas. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:18 PM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Random > > > Didn't Synergy do an album of music played by a computer > program? I was thinking 'Computer Experiments Volume 1' was > created by an algorithm that randomly changed chords, voices, > and so forth within a certain structure. > > Either way, I really like that album, very ambient compared > to most Synergy albums. > > Of course, if you want true random 'music', get the set of > Voyager recordings that NASA released. If you haven't heard > of these, they are recording of EM radiation in space at > various places (at the bow shock of Jupiter's Magnetosphere, > for instance). The sounds are quite spectacular, and well > worth adding to your collection (for the novelty if nothing > else). I find them great to relax and/or sleep to (fairly > ambient by nature). > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > You could use a computer to trigger the random events. > > > > Many ways to do such, write a program in VB that sends out > > random midi to > > your sequencer, triggers, and so forth. Base it on random > > flux of quanta > > derived or attached a antenna and let nature determine the > > random event via > > lighting strikes or other emi in the area. I am sure the > > background flux of > > the microwave radiation would serve nicely here too. > > > > dale > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37841 Re: Random billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 12/18/2002 2 KB From: 'heineu ' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 7:04 am Subject: re-release of Le Parc 2003 hello all, re-release of the TD Album 'Le Parc' for the 13-Jan-2003 annouced on the german mail-order company JPC , click here: http://www.jpc.de and search Tangerine Dream - La parc !!!! :-))) (no joke) I think this Album will also re-released on the UK Label: Sanctuary Records Cheers Heiko - Mr. Optical http://www.opticaldream.de Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37832 Re: re-release of Le Parc 2003 Armin Theissen armin_theissen Wed 12/18/2002 3 KB 37834 Re: re-release of Le Parc 2003 Duncan McKee nike_italy2002 Wed 12/18/2002 2 KB 37836 Re: re-release of Le Parc 2003 John Vertical omegatransfinito Wed 12/18/2002 2 KB 37837 Re: re-release of Le Parc 2003 Armin Theissen armin_theissen Wed 12/18/2002 3 KB 37858 Re: re-release of Le Parc 2003 Administrator dale1kay Wed 12/18/2002 3 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 7:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] re-release of Le Parc 2003 hi, is this a plain re-release, or a re-recording like the Melrose Years, or possibliy something with a bonus track... ? armin 'heineu ' wrote: > hello all, > > re-release of the TD Album 'Le Parc' for the 13-Jan-2003 annouced on > the german mail-order company JPC , click here: http://www.jpc.de > > and search Tangerine Dream - La parc !!!! :-))) (no joke) > > I think this Album will also re-released on the UK Label: Sanctuary > Records > > Cheers > Heiko - Mr. Optical > http://www.opticaldream.de > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'braddito ' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:25 am Subject: Re: Looking for Suggestions... Brad, if I had to select one Schulze disc, I'd go for the 'Live' set, especially the new one where part 2 is restored to it's full length. Perhaps 'X' and 'Body Love 2' to follow. Don't forget Michael Hoenig's 'Departure From The Northern Wasteland' - an em classic imo. Cheers Toby > > So what other suggestions does the group have for me? Would prefer > works that are in print. > > Thanks! > B From: 'Duncan McKee ' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:26 am Subject: Re: re-release of Le Parc 2003 hi all Le-Parc is due out in january in the UK on sanctuary records, also due is Green desert on the same date. Underwater sunlight is due in March and possibley another. they are just remastered releases, you never know Le-Parc may have a bonus track like alpha centauri but i doubt it :-) Duncan --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'heineu ' wrote: > hello all, > > re-release of the TD Album 'Le Parc' for the 13-Jan-2003 annouced on > the german mail-order company JPC , click here: http://www.jpc.de > > and search Tangerine Dream - La parc !!!! :-))) (no joke) > > I think this Album will also re-released on the UK Label: Sanctuary > Records > > Cheers > Heiko - Mr. Optical > http://www.opticaldream.de Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37846 Re: re-release of Le Parc 2003 nike_italy2002 nike_italy2002 Wed 12/18/2002 2 KB From: tony.vandergaag@p... Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Yeahhh Me !!!!, finally, i thought i was the only one having problems, but i've been facing this shit already since the end of august !!!. i've been in 'softbounce status' already 5 or 6 times now and sometimes it takes more than a week to get back 'on-line'. i even opened an e-mail account with a different provider as well to get rid of these ongoing problems. tony/rotterdam Citeren Administrator : > welcome to yahoo's wonderful world > > just a matter of time before they get back to me to do the same... > > dale > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:22 AM > Subject: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? > > > > Hmm.. I have been getting anything sent thru Yahoo about 4 days late > > the last week... I've made tons of answers to posts, and gotten > > every single one back because I'm bouncing. > > I have reset my accounts some 6 or 8 times a day all this week, but > > it just keeps bouncing. > > Any simular problems for anyone else? I already checked with my ISP, > > and no problems they care to admit, and my inbox is emptied at least > > 4 times aday, with a 10 meg limit, so I doubt they are really > > bouncing. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37840 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Debra Wilson goatsong99 Wed 12/18/2002 5 KB 37842 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 12/18/2002 5 KB 37849 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Debra Wilson goatsong99 Wed 12/18/2002 7 KB 37854 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 12/18/2002 6 KB 37885 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Debra Wilson goatsong99 Thu 12/19/2002 4 KB 37850 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? tony.vandergaag@p... symfoon Wed 12/18/2002 6 KB 37852 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Debra Wilson goatsong99 Wed 12/18/2002 7 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: re-release of Le Parc 2003 >hi all >Le-Parc is due out in january in the UK on sanctuary records, also >due is Green desert on the same date. >Underwater sunlight is due in March and possibley another. > >they are just remastered releases, you never know Le-Parc may have a >bonus track like alpha centauri but i doubt it :-) We could hope Underwater Sunlight will have Dolphin Smile on it... that's the only Blue Years bonus track I can think of. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 10:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: re-release of Le Parc 2003 Re-releases with bonus tracks would drive me crazy as I *do not* want to buy all these CDs again, but of course would be interested in bonus tracks if I don't have them already. Le Parc could have that Brighton thing from Antique Dreams. armin John Vertical wrote: > >hi all > >Le-Parc is due out in january in the UK on sanctuary records, also > >due is Green desert on the same date. > >Underwater sunlight is due in March and possibley another. > > > >they are just remastered releases, you never know Le-Parc may have a > >bonus track like alpha centauri but i doubt it :-) > > We could hope Underwater Sunlight will have Dolphin Smile on it... that's > the only Blue Years bonus track I can think of. > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 10:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? I noticed this problem for the first and hopefully only time when I came back home from my August holidays. Didn't get my mail from tadream and had to read on the web instead. I replied to their feedback form, and after a few days all was settled. Forgot any details. armin tony.vandergaag@p... wrote: > Yeahhh Me !!!!, > > finally, i thought i was the only one having problems, but i've been > facing this shit already since the end of august !!!. i've been in > 'softbounce status' already 5 or 6 times now and sometimes it takes > more than a week to get back 'on-line'. > > i even opened an e-mail account with a different provider as well > to get rid of these ongoing problems. > > tony/rotterdam > > Citeren Administrator : > > > welcome to yahoo's wonderful world > > > > just a matter of time before they get back to me to do the same... > > > > dale > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:22 AM > > Subject: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? > > > > > > > Hmm.. I have been getting anything sent thru Yahoo about 4 days late > > > the last week... I've made tons of answers to posts, and gotten > > > every single one back because I'm bouncing. > > > I have reset my accounts some 6 or 8 times a day all this week, but > > > it just keeps bouncing. > > > Any simular problems for anyone else? I already checked with my ISP, > > > and no problems they care to admit, and my inbox is emptied at least > > > 4 times aday, with a 10 meg limit, so I doubt they are really > > > bouncing. > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37839 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Debra Wilson goatsong99 Wed 12/18/2002 3 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 10:15 am Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? I tried the feedback form as well, so which they replied with instructions on resetting my bounces... too bad I wasn't bouncing! lol Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: ath@d... [mailto:ath@d...]On Behalf Of Armin Theissen Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:13 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? I noticed this problem for the first and hopefully only time when I came back home from my August holidays. Didn't get my mail from tadream and had to read on the web instead. I replied to their feedback form, and after a few days all was settled. Forgot any details. armin From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:45 am Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Ha! I went straight to hard bounce! lol As for August.. um.. around then, I was told by Y! that my email account wasn't tied into any of my groups.. so I couldn't reply by mail. Went on for 2 months, and then when I created a new ID, rejoined all my groups under them, and everything else, a week later it started again. Then it suddenly worked fine.. until now.. :-/ The last day, it's been good.. my fingers are crossed. Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: tony.vandergaag@p... [mailto:tony.vandergaag@p...] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:06 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Yeahhh Me !!!!, finally, i thought i was the only one having problems, but i've been facing this shit already since the end of august !!!. i've been in 'softbounce status' already 5 or 6 times now and sometimes it takes more than a week to get back 'on-line'. i even opened an e-mail account with a different provider as well to get rid of these ongoing problems. tony/rotterdam Citeren Administrator : > welcome to yahoo's wonderful world > > just a matter of time before they get back to me to do the same... > > dale > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:22 AM > Subject: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? > > > > Hmm.. I have been getting anything sent thru Yahoo about 4 days late > > the last week... I've made tons of answers to posts, and gotten > > every single one back because I'm bouncing. > > I have reset my accounts some 6 or 8 times a day all this week, but > > it just keeps bouncing. > > Any simular problems for anyone else? I already checked with my ISP, > > and no problems they care to admit, and my inbox is emptied at least > > 4 times aday, with a 10 meg limit, so I doubt they are really > > bouncing. ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37842 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 12/18/2002 5 KB 37849 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Debra Wilson goatsong99 Wed 12/18/2002 7 KB 37854 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 12/18/2002 6 KB 37885 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Debra Wilson goatsong99 Thu 12/19/2002 4 KB 37850 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? tony.vandergaag@p... symfoon Wed 12/18/2002 6 KB 37852 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Debra Wilson goatsong99 Wed 12/18/2002 7 KB From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 11:51 am Subject: Re: Random There is a sequence on Cyclone (I forget which track - and my copy is vinyl so timings are hard to give!) where a normal sequence suddenly goes random (although the notes themselves are part of a chord - they are just played in random order). --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Marcel Engels' wrote: > Random music/sounds? > Is that really interesting? :-) > Nothing was random with TD, although the improvisations > may sound like...it was more the results of 3 people jamming > together and getting lots of ideas. > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > > > > From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 12:07 pm Subject: Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? This PC is at work, so I read the messages on-line (to avoid filling up my mail box) and have never had a problem. I am getting broad band at home soon, so I was planning to have mail delivered there instead. Now I'm having second thoughts... how wide- spread is the problem, and what causes it? BTF PS. forgive my ignorance, but what does lol mean?! --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Debra Wilson' wrote: > Ha! I went straight to hard bounce! lol > As for August.. um.. around then, I was told by Y! that my email account > wasn't tied into any of my groups.. so I couldn't reply by mail. > Went on for 2 months, and then when I created a new ID, rejoined all my > groups under them, and everything else, a week later it started again. > Then it suddenly worked fine.. until now.. :-/ > The last day, it's been good.. my fingers are crossed. > > Debra Wilson > Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html > AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs > http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tony.vandergaag@p... > [mailto:tony.vandergaag@p...] > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:06 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? > > > Yeahhh Me !!!!, > > finally, i thought i was the only one having problems, but i've been > facing this shit already since the end of august !!!. i've been in > 'softbounce status' already 5 or 6 times now and sometimes it takes > more than a week to get back 'on-line'. > > i even opened an e-mail account with a different provider as well > to get rid of these ongoing problems. > > tony/rotterdam > > Citeren Administrator : > > > welcome to yahoo's wonderful world > > > > just a matter of time before they get back to me to do the same... > > > > dale > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:22 AM > > Subject: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? > > > > > > > Hmm.. I have been getting anything sent thru Yahoo about 4 days late > > > the last week... I've made tons of answers to posts, and gotten > > > every single one back because I'm bouncing. > > > I have reset my accounts some 6 or 8 times a day all this week, but > > > it just keeps bouncing. > > > Any simular problems for anyone else? I already checked with my ISP, > > > and no problems they care to admit, and my inbox is emptied at least > > > 4 times aday, with a 10 meg limit, so I doubt they are really > > > bouncing. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37849 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Debra Wilson goatsong99 Wed 12/18/2002 7 KB 37854 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 12/18/2002 6 KB 37885 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Debra Wilson goatsong99 Thu 12/19/2002 4 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 12:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Random In a message dated 12/18/2002 6:51:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, mudspanker@y... writes: > There is a sequence on Cyclone (I forget which track - and my copy is > vinyl so timings are hard to give!) where a normal sequence suddenly > goes random (although the notes themselves are part of a chord - they > are just played in random order). *I'm sure you're talking about that fast sequence in the middle of Madrigal Meridian. They are played within the scale, merely jumping octaves which is not the same thing as random composition. Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37844 Re: Random billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 12/18/2002 2 KB 37847 Re: Random Marcel Engels mars103nl Wed 12/18/2002 2 KB From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 12:15 pm Subject: Re: Random --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > In a message dated 12/18/2002 6:51:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, mudspanker@y... writes: > > > There is a sequence on Cyclone (I forget which track - and my copy is > > vinyl so timings are hard to give!) where a normal sequence suddenly > > goes random (although the notes themselves are part of a chord - they > > are just played in random order). > > *I'm sure you're talking about that fast sequence in the middle of Madrigal Meridian. They are played within the scale, merely jumping octaves which is not the same thing as random composition. > Poly Thank you! That is exactly the bit. They were indeed jumping octaves, but also notes were played in random order too, sometimes several identical notes are played consecutively, other times they are jumping around within the chord. All the time, the octaves are changing. BTF Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37847 Re: Random Marcel Engels mars103nl Wed 12/18/2002 2 KB From: Marko Marin Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 12:18 pm Subject: [tadream] Mannheim Part 1 Just last night I was listening Mannheim and in the first part, in about 15:50, the sequence suddenly starts to go nuts. A slow fade out happens and another sequences replaces it. Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37853 Re: Mannheim Part 1 John Vertical omegatransfinito Wed 12/18/2002 3 KB 37864 Re: Mannheim Part 1 Marcel Engels mars103nl Wed 12/18/2002 3 KB From: 'nike_italy2002 ' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 1:07 pm Subject: Re: re-release of Le Parc 2003 Hi all here are the official release date Le Parc / Green Desert 13 january 2003 Poland / Underwater sunlight 17 March 2003 Regards Nicola Cont --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Duncan McKee ' wrote: > hi all > Le-Parc is due out in january in the UK on sanctuary records, also > due is Green desert on the same date. > Underwater sunlight is due in March and possibley another. > > they are just remastered releases, you never know Le-Parc may have a > bonus track like alpha centauri but i doubt it :-) > > > Duncan > From: 'Marcel Engels ' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 2:06 pm Subject: Re: Random --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'billythefish01 ' wrote: > > Thank you! That is exactly the bit. They were indeed jumping octaves, > but also notes were played in random order too, sometimes several > identical notes are played consecutively, other times they are > jumping around within the chord. All the time, the octaves are > changing. It sounds like they are random but they're not. At least not in my perception. The notes follow the same structure and are 'on-key'. I remember the intro of a Kraftwerk concert being random notes. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Jens Kilian Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 2:16 pm Subject: Re: TD references in unexpected places > From: peter.stoeferle@t... > > > From: Jens Kilian > > Subject: TD references in unexpected places > > > > In Alastair Reynold's _Chasm City_ (an SF novel), he uses > 'Tangerine Dream' > > as a name for a gas-giant planet. It's just a throwaway reference, > the > > planet > > doesn't actually play a major role. I wonder if AR is a fan... > > What's the year of the first issue of the novel? (just to clear who is > a fanof whom... perhaps...) It's a recent (2001) novel - no chance of an explanation for the band name, I'm afraid ;-) -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 12:14 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? lol = Laughing Out Loud I would kill for broadband! Lucky you! Well, not kill, but I keep wishing I could have it! It's Yahoo thing... but what do you expect for free? It works fine for months, then goes haywire, then goes nuts again.... *sigh* As for filling up your mailbox, how big a storage limit do you have? I have 10 megs, and am subscribed to several very busy lists- I get about 400 laims per day, and it has yet to be filled, unless I asked someone to send me a 3 or 4 meg attachment. Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: billythefish01 [mailto:mudspanker@y...] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:07 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? This PC is at work, so I read the messages on-line (to avoid filling up my mail box) and have never had a problem. I am getting broad band at home soon, so I was planning to have mail delivered there instead. Now I'm having second thoughts... how wide- spread is the problem, and what causes it? BTF PS. forgive my ignorance, but what does lol mean?! --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Debra Wilson' wrote: > Ha! I went straight to hard bounce! lol > As for August.. um.. around then, I was told by Y! that my email account > wasn't tied into any of my groups.. so I couldn't reply by mail. > Went on for 2 months, and then when I created a new ID, rejoined all my > groups under them, and everything else, a week later it started again. > Then it suddenly worked fine.. until now.. :-/ > The last day, it's been good.. my fingers are crossed. > > Debra Wilson > Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html > AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs > http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tony.vandergaag@p... > [mailto:tony.vandergaag@p...] > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:06 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? > > > Yeahhh Me !!!!, > > finally, i thought i was the only one having problems, but i've been > facing this shit already since the end of august !!!. i've been in > 'softbounce status' already 5 or 6 times now and sometimes it takes > more than a week to get back 'on-line'. > > i even opened an e-mail account with a different provider as well > to get rid of these ongoing problems. > > tony/rotterdam > > Citeren Administrator : > > > welcome to yahoo's wonderful world > > > > just a matter of time before they get back to me to do the same... > > > > dale > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:22 AM > > Subject: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? > > > > > > > Hmm.. I have been getting anything sent thru Yahoo about 4 days late > > > the last week... I've made tons of answers to posts, and gotten > > > every single one back because I'm bouncing. > > > I have reset my accounts some 6 or 8 times a day all this week, but > > > it just keeps bouncing. > > > Any simular problems for anyone else? I already checked with my ISP, > > > and no problems they care to admit, and my inbox is emptied at least > > > 4 times aday, with a 10 meg limit, so I doubt they are really > > > bouncing. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37854 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 12/18/2002 6 KB 37885 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Debra Wilson goatsong99 Thu 12/19/2002 4 KB From: tony.vandergaag@p... Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 11:39 am Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Hi all, so.... what's changed with Y since august ?, as i also faced this problems when returning from my holidays...... yahoo don't want you to go on a holiday or what ???? ;-) tony/rotterdam Citeren Debra Wilson : > Ha! I went straight to hard bounce! lol > As for August.. um.. around then, I was told by Y! that my email account > wasn't tied into any of my groups.. so I couldn't reply by mail. > Went on for 2 months, and then when I created a new ID, rejoined all my > groups under them, and everything else, a week later it started again. > Then it suddenly worked fine.. until now.. :-/ > The last day, it's been good.. my fingers are crossed. > > Debra Wilson > Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html > AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs > http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tony.vandergaag@p... > [mailto:tony.vandergaag@p...] > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:06 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? > > > Yeahhh Me !!!!, > > finally, i thought i was the only one having problems, but i've been > facing this shit already since the end of august !!!. i've been in > 'softbounce status' already 5 or 6 times now and sometimes it takes > more than a week to get back 'on-line'. > > i even opened an e-mail account with a different provider as well > to get rid of these ongoing problems. > > tony/rotterdam > > Citeren Administrator : > > > welcome to yahoo's wonderful world > > > > just a matter of time before they get back to me to do the same... > > > > dale > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:22 AM > > Subject: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? > > > > > > > Hmm.. I have been getting anything sent thru Yahoo about 4 days late > > > the last week... I've made tons of answers to posts, and gotten > > > every single one back because I'm bouncing. > > > I have reset my accounts some 6 or 8 times a day all this week, but > > > it just keeps bouncing. > > > Any simular problems for anyone else? I already checked with my ISP, > > > and no problems they care to admit, and my inbox is emptied at least > > > 4 times aday, with a 10 meg limit, so I doubt they are really > > > bouncing. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Debra Wilson goatsong99 Wed 12/18/2002 7 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 2:31 pm Subject: le/la parc >is this a plain re-release, or a re-recording like the Melrose Years, or >possibliy something with a bonus track... ? well it could be the cut-up version (a la wsb's naked lunch) complete with clicking/CD slipping noises of 'ruling the waves' or something else from the i-box available as a download later. ;) --T _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 2:30 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Who knows... *sigh* I won't complain so long as it works, but sometimes the urge to scream is strong! lol Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: tony.vandergaag@p... [mailto:tony.vandergaag@p...] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:40 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Hi all, so.... what's changed with Y since august ?, as i also faced this problems when returning from my holidays...... yahoo don't want you to go on a holiday or what ???? ;-) tony/rotterdam Citeren Debra Wilson : > Ha! I went straight to hard bounce! lol > As for August.. um.. around then, I was told by Y! that my email account > wasn't tied into any of my groups.. so I couldn't reply by mail. > Went on for 2 months, and then when I created a new ID, rejoined all my > groups under them, and everything else, a week later it started again. > Then it suddenly worked fine.. until now.. :-/ > The last day, it's been good.. my fingers are crossed. > > Debra Wilson > Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html > AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs > http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tony.vandergaag@p... > [mailto:tony.vandergaag@p...] > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:06 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? > > > Yeahhh Me !!!!, > > finally, i thought i was the only one having problems, but i've been > facing this shit already since the end of august !!!. i've been in > 'softbounce status' already 5 or 6 times now and sometimes it takes > more than a week to get back 'on-line'. > > i even opened an e-mail account with a different provider as well > to get rid of these ongoing problems. > > tony/rotterdam > > Citeren Administrator : > > > welcome to yahoo's wonderful world > > > > just a matter of time before they get back to me to do the same... > > > > dale > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:22 AM > > Subject: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? > > > > > > > Hmm.. I have been getting anything sent thru Yahoo about 4 days late > > > the last week... I've made tons of answers to posts, and gotten > > > every single one back because I'm bouncing. > > > I have reset my accounts some 6 or 8 times a day all this week, but > > > it just keeps bouncing. > > > Any simular problems for anyone else? I already checked with my ISP, > > > and no problems they care to admit, and my inbox is emptied at least > > > 4 times aday, with a 10 meg limit, so I doubt they are really > > > bouncing. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 2:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mannheim Part 1 >Just last night I was listening Mannheim and in the >first part, in about 15:50, the sequence suddenly >starts to go nuts. A slow fade out happens and another >sequences replaces it. > >Regards, >Marko Marin Yesss, this is a much better example of a randomizing sequence than Madrigal Meridian... and about the best part of Mannheim concert IMHO. A third such phenomenon happens in RAH '75 (TT vol.9) encore, near the end; the mid-freq. sequence (/melody line?) starts to 'wobble', changing smoothly its tune, frequency, and voice... Also Quitzotte pt 1 has a nice effect in the end, when something bursts in to white noise, dissolving the structure. John Vertical np: Departure from the Northern Wasteland _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37864 Re: Mannheim Part 1 Marcel Engels mars103nl Wed 12/18/2002 3 KB From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 3:05 pm Subject: Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Thanks! I thought lol looked a little like Edvard Munch's The Scream, so I had to ask! I have 90Mb limit, but get loads of image files so it fills up frequently. BTF --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Debra Wilson' wrote: > lol = Laughing Out Loud > > I would kill for broadband! Lucky you! Well, not kill, but I keep wishing I > could have it! > It's Yahoo thing... but what do you expect for free? It works fine for > months, then goes haywire, then goes nuts again.... *sigh* > As for filling up your mailbox, how big a storage limit do you have? I have > 10 megs, and am subscribed to several very busy lists- I get about 400 laims > per day, and it has yet to be filled, unless I asked someone to send me a 3 > or 4 meg attachment. > > Debra Wilson > Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html > AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs > http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: billythefish01 > [mailto:mudspanker@y...] > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:07 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? > > > This PC is at work, so I read the messages on-line (to avoid filling > up my mail box) and have never had a problem. > > I am getting broad band at home soon, so I was planning to have mail > delivered there instead. Now I'm having second thoughts... how wide- > spread is the problem, and what causes it? > > BTF > > > PS. forgive my ignorance, but what does lol mean?! > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Debra Wilson' > wrote: > > Ha! I went straight to hard bounce! lol > > As for August.. um.. around then, I was told by Y! that my email > account > > wasn't tied into any of my groups.. so I couldn't reply by mail. > > Went on for 2 months, and then when I created a new ID, rejoined > all my > > groups under them, and everything else, a week later it started > again. > > Then it suddenly worked fine.. until now.. :-/ > > The last day, it's been good.. my fingers are crossed. > > > > Debra Wilson > > Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal > > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html > > AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs > > http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tony.vandergaag@p... > > [mailto:tony.vandergaag@p...] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:06 AM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? > > > > > > Yeahhh Me !!!!, > > > > finally, i thought i was the only one having problems, but i've been > > facing this shit already since the end of august !!!. i've been in > > 'softbounce status' already 5 or 6 times now and sometimes it takes > > more than a week to get back 'on-line'. > > > > i even opened an e-mail account with a different provider as well > > to get rid of these ongoing problems. > > > > tony/rotterdam > > > > Citeren Administrator : > > > > > welcome to yahoo's wonderful world > > > > > > just a matter of time before they get back to me to do the same... > > > > > > dale > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:22 AM > > > Subject: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? > > > > > > > > > > Hmm.. I have been getting anything sent thru Yahoo about 4 days > late > > > > the last week... I've made tons of answers to posts, and gotten > > > > every single one back because I'm bouncing. > > > > I have reset my accounts some 6 or 8 times a day all this week, > but > > > > it just keeps bouncing. > > > > Any simular problems for anyone else? I already checked with my > ISP, > > > > and no problems they care to admit, and my inbox is emptied at > least > > > > 4 times aday, with a 10 meg limit, so I doubt they are really > > > > bouncing. > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37885 Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Debra Wilson goatsong99 Thu 12/19/2002 4 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 3:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Random yes, thats in Madrigal Meridian. Cool. But how do you really know its random? armin 'billythefish01 ' wrote: > There is a sequence on Cyclone (I forget which track - and my copy is > vinyl so timings are hard to give!) where a normal sequence suddenly > goes random (although the notes themselves are part of a chord - they > are just played in random order). > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Marcel Engels' wrote: > > Random music/sounds? > > Is that really interesting? :-) > > Nothing was random with TD, although the improvisations > > may sound like...it was more the results of 3 people jamming > > together and getting lots of ideas. > > > > Marcel > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > > mengels@w... > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 3:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Random In a message dated 12/18/2002 7:47:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, Armin.Theissen@s... writes: > yes, thats in Madrigal Meridian. Cool. But how do you really know its > random? > > armin > *It's not.... Marcel and I have been trying to get that across. I'm not sure about the exact technology they used on that but from experience I'm sure they are toggling between octaves to make the pattern seem to explode across the spectrum.... BUT regardless of the technology compositionally speaking it is NOT random. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37857 Re: Random billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 12/18/2002 3 KB From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 4:19 pm Subject: Re: Random I am not _sure_ that it is random in the truest sense of the word, but I too would be very interested to know how it was done... i.e. was it a pre-programmed sequence? I still reckon that (apart from the fact that they all belong to a preset chord) the notes do not follow a regular pattern. The correct term should probably be 'Controlled Randomization' which Steve Whitely used earlier. It is a passage that has particularly fascinated me since I first heard it, but I realise that the mind can pay tricks with the passage of time. I will listen to MM as soon as I get home. I will also listen to Mannheim - I had forgotten about that passage. Here's to 5.30! BTF --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > In a message dated 12/18/2002 7:47:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Armin.Theissen@s... writes: > > > yes, thats in Madrigal Meridian. Cool. But how do you really know its > > random? > > > > armin > > > > *It's not.... Marcel and I have been trying to get that across. I'm not sure > about the exact technology they used on that but from experience I'm sure > they are toggling between octaves to make the pattern seem to explode across > the spectrum.... BUT regardless of the technology compositionally speaking it > is NOT random. > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Administrator' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 4:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re-release of Le Parc 2003 Anything done to it? ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 11:04 PM Subject: [tadream] re-release of Le Parc 2003 > hello all, > > re-release of the TD Album 'Le Parc' for the 13-Jan-2003 annouced on > the german mail-order company JPC , click here: http://www.jpc.de > > and search Tangerine Dream - La parc !!!! :-))) (no joke) > > I think this Album will also re-released on the UK Label: Sanctuary > Records > > Cheers > Heiko - Mr. Optical > http://www.opticaldream.de > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? isn't it odd that one had to open a account with a different provider just to please Yahoo... and now Yahoo is a provider too... Sorry but I run a ISP (provider business on the side). I have had a few tell me the same thing only to find out that it isn't the provider... it's Yahoo... Good Luck with Yahoo.... I could send you a little program that monitors your servers like mail and web so you can have a log to compare when Yahoo bounces your mail just to see if your mail server was down when Yahoo reported it. So far I have not been able to actually line this up yet... Perhaps a stronger course in Astrology might help me... Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? > Yeahhh Me !!!!, > > finally, i thought i was the only one having problems, but i've been > facing this shit already since the end of august !!!. i've been in > 'softbounce status' already 5 or 6 times now and sometimes it takes > more than a week to get back 'on-line'. > > i even opened an e-mail account with a different provider as well > to get rid of these ongoing problems. > > tony/rotterdam > > Citeren Administrator : > > > welcome to yahoo's wonderful world > > > > just a matter of time before they get back to me to do the same... > > > > dale > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:22 AM > > Subject: [tadream] OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? > > > > > > > Hmm.. I have been getting anything sent thru Yahoo about 4 days late > > > the last week... I've made tons of answers to posts, and gotten > > > every single one back because I'm bouncing. > > > I have reset my accounts some 6 or 8 times a day all this week, but > > > it just keeps bouncing. > > > Any simular problems for anyone else? I already checked with my ISP, > > > and no problems they care to admit, and my inbox is emptied at least > > > 4 times aday, with a 10 meg limit, so I doubt they are really > > > bouncing. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 5:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Random In a message dated 12/18/2002 8:22:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, mudspanker@y... writes: > I am not _sure_ that it is random in the truest sense of the word, > but I too would be very interested to know how it was done... i.e. > was it a pre-programmed sequence? * I seem to remember an interview w/Franke where he mentioned a step-time sequencer with a great advancement in note storage...maybe that, or a sync'ed Arppegiator... the thing with Arpeggiators is that you can make it sound like your fingers are flying all over the keyboard when you're really playing relatively simple lines. Peace Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'fozziebear' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 7:51 pm Subject: Classic Tree For a bit of fun I'm playing some of the Classic Tree CD's at work blind, not knowing which is which. So far I think I've heard Rheims 74. Quality very good. Surprised I like this since I'm a fan of Cyclone / live 78 stuff. Then a concert with German introduction which seems to have stuff from Underwater Sunlight on. Brilliant stuff and then CD1 ends. Hope to find out what's on part 2 of that tomorrow. When I've played them all then I'll have a look at what concerts they are. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'fozziebear' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 7:56 pm Subject: brain halves The ladies at work ask to borrow my TD CD's just as much as the men do. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:11 pm Subject: OT - - Lord Of The Rings Hi all I have just been watching the second part of Tolkien's masterpiece Lord Of The Rings. Again Peter Jackson has made a brilliant work, allthough this part is IMO made more in the tradition of Hollywood. When this is said, you are in for a treat of fx, sound, battlescenes, brilliant acting, humor and for those of you who worry about Ents and Gollum.....=O).....no need to worry....this is VERY good. I will not spoil anything for you, just go see this movie. Some things have been change, like in the first part, but IMO is does not ruin the movie......... I have to go see this again tomorrow.............=O) Regards Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37865 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings Administrator dale1kay Wed 12/18/2002 3 KB 37866 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings PERGAMON pergamondk Wed 12/18/2002 4 KB 37867 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings PERGAMON pergamondk Wed 12/18/2002 2 KB 37869 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings fairway_ch fairway_ch Wed 12/18/2002 2 KB 37868 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Wed 12/18/2002 2 KB 37870 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings PERGAMON pergamondk Wed 12/18/2002 3 KB 37871 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings PERGAMON pergamondk Wed 12/18/2002 3 KB 37886 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings Debra Wilson goatsong99 Thu 12/19/2002 4 KB 37888 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings billythefish01 billythefish01 Thu 12/19/2002 4 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:24 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Mannheim Part 1 > From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] > > Yesss, this is a much better example of a randomizing > sequence than Madrigal > Meridian... and about the best part of Mannheim concert IMHO. > A third such > phenomenon happens in RAH '75 (TT vol.9) encore, near the > end; the mid-freq. > sequence (/melody line?) starts to 'wobble', changing > smoothly its tune, > frequency, and voice... > Also Quitzotte pt 1 has a nice effect in the end, when > something bursts in > to white noise, dissolving the structure. If you're looking for a sequence that does weird things you must listen to 3 Tier Dream, 1st disc. That sequence is definitely not in sync and keeps jumping out of sync...now there's your random sequence. Definitely not Madrigal Meridian. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'Administrator' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings good I bought tickets online to make sure I could see it tonight when I get off work. How was the sound track? dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PERGAMON' To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:11 PM Subject: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings > Hi all > > I have just been watching the second part of Tolkien's masterpiece Lord > Of The Rings. > > Again Peter Jackson has made a brilliant work, allthough this part is > IMO made more in the tradition of Hollywood. When this is said, you are in > for a treat of fx, sound, battlescenes, brilliant acting, humor and for > those of you who worry about Ents and Gollum.....=O).....no need to > worry....this is VERY good. I will not spoil anything for you, just go see > this movie. > > Some things have been change, like in the first part, but IMO is does > not ruin the movie......... > > I have to go see this again tomorrow.............=O) > > Regards > Jan From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 10:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings Did not notice the soundtrack very much...........sorry......but I noticed some celtic singing which sounded very nice............but no doubt the score added to the atmosphere, both in intensity and softness............. I simply was too occupied with all the other things in the movie.............. Hope you enjoy the movie.............=O) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Administrator' To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings > good > > I bought tickets online to make sure I could see it tonight when I get off > work. > How was the sound track? > > dale > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'PERGAMON' > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:11 PM > Subject: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings > > > > Hi all > > > > I have just been watching the second part of Tolkien's masterpiece > Lord > > Of The Rings. > > > > Again Peter Jackson has made a brilliant work, allthough this part is > > IMO made more in the tradition of Hollywood. When this is said, you are in > > for a treat of fx, sound, battlescenes, brilliant acting, humor and for > > those of you who worry about Ents and Gollum.....=O).....no need to > > worry....this is VERY good. I will not spoil anything for you, just go see > > this movie. > > > > Some things have been change, like in the first part, but IMO is does > > not ruin the movie......... > > > > I have to go see this again tomorrow.............=O) > > > > Regards > > Jan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 10:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings Hit send too fast......not celtic singing, but it had some irish style in it...... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37869 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings fairway_ch fairway_ch Wed 12/18/2002 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings Hi Pergamon, are you crazy??! you almost spoilt the movie for me! =;-) thankfully i didn't read much... whew! -GJ who has been counting down to Two Towers since January 5th,2002. >Hi all > I have just been watching the second part of Tolkien's masterpiece Lord >Of The Rings- Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@s... From: 'fairway_ch ' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 10:54 pm Subject: Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'PERGAMON' wrote: > Hit send too fast......not celtic singing, but it had some irish style in > it...... Enya. Cheers René From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 11:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings No it is not Enya this time......... Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:54 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'PERGAMON' wrote: > Hit send too fast......not celtic singing, but it had some irish style in > it...... Enya. Cheers René ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 11:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings Hehe......I would not dream of spoiling it for anyone.............. OK.....it was the butler which did it......=O) jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gustavo Jobim' To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings > Hi Pergamon, > are you crazy??! you almost spoilt the movie for me! =;-) > > thankfully i didn't read much... whew! > -GJ > who has been counting down to Two Towers since January 5th,2002. > > > >Hi all > > I have just been watching the second part of Tolkien's masterpiece Lord > >Of The Rings- > > > Gustavo Jobim > gustavojobim@s... > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 11:24 pm Subject: Re: Two Tower Divas Isabel Bayrakdarian (Evenstar) Sheila Chandra Elisabeth Fraser (Isengard Unleashed) Emiliana Torrini (Gollum's song) Not Celtic fiddle; rather: hardinger (Norwegian folk fiddle). << Subject: Re: Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings No it is not Enya this time......... Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:54 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'PERGAMON' wrote: > Hit send too fast......not celtic singing, but it had some irish style in > it...... Enya. Cheers René>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37874 Re: Two Tower Divas PERGAMON pergamondk Wed 12/18/2002 3 KB From: Chris Richards Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 11:46 pm Subject: Re: Arpeggiators <> You barely have to play at all, just hold down a couple notes or a chord and let the arpeggiator do all the hard work. :-) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37877 Re: Arpeggiators Synthhtnys@a... Thu 12/19/2002 2 KB From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 11:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Two Tower Divas OK...thanks...............=O) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:24 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Two Tower Divas > Isabel Bayrakdarian (Evenstar) > Sheila Chandra > Elisabeth Fraser (Isengard Unleashed) > Emiliana Torrini (Gollum's song) > > Not Celtic fiddle; rather: hardinger (Norwegian folk fiddle). > > << Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:01:11 +0100 > From: 'PERGAMON' > Subject: Re: Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings > > No it is not Enya this time......... > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:54 PM > Subject: [tadream] Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings > > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'PERGAMON' wrote: > > Hit send too fast......not celtic singing, but it had some irish > style in > > it...... > > Enya. > > Cheers > René>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: René Brenner Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 12:07 am Subject: Classic Tree Strange Attractions skips? Hello folks, I noticed a small skip at 19.57 in track #1 (mojave plan) on Strange Attractions. Does it sound like a copy problem or does the master have the same problem? Cheers René Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37878 Re: Classic Tree Strange Attractions skips? Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Thu 12/19/2002 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 12:18 am Subject: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack Howard Shore and ingenue Emiliana Torrini (according to bn.com) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37882 Re: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack Marko Marin rubyconist Thu 12/19/2002 2 KB 37884 Re: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack Marcel Engels mars103nl Thu 12/19/2002 2 KB 37883 Re: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack Synthhtnys@a... Thu 12/19/2002 2 KB 37887 Re: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack John Vertical omegatransfinito Thu 12/19/2002 3 KB 37890 Re: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack thomas.soucheleau@n... canadiurne Thu 12/19/2002 4 KB 37902 Re: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack John Vertical omegatransfinito Thu 12/19/2002 2 KB 37907 Re: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack Administrator dale1kay Thu 12/19/2002 4 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 12:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Arpeggiators In a message dated 12/18/2002 3:50:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, kohntarkosz@y... writes: > You barely have to play at all, just hold down a > couple notes or a chord and let the arpeggiator > do all the hard work. :-) > > ===== > May you never thirst! > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > *In the case of Madrigal Meridian though it doesn't have a static pattern as if they had just hit a chord and let it play.. that's what leads me to believe it's a case where they (Well 'he', whoever it was!) were playing along with the music giving it the effect of those wild jumps. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 1:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Tree Strange Attractions skips? From: 'René Brenner' > I noticed a small skip at 19.57 in track #1 (mojave plan) on Strange > Attractions. Does it sound like a copy problem or does the master have > the same problem? This is from the master. Maff From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 1:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Guess I should answer this one since I'm a female. That fact went un-noticed and untold for an entire year when I first joined the uwp list because I noted the over abundance of males and was afraid I would not be accepted if they knew otherwise. My attraction to strange, long musical passages like The Doors' 'Light My Fire' long version and Grand Funk Railroad's 'Paranoia' caught the attention of a DJ friend of mine. He handed me an album and watched me go into a trance from the first few notes. That album was 'Ricochet' still a favorite of mine. It had nothing to do with romance, although I was in love at the time. However, I have noticed that the movie, 'Legend' has done more to entice the ladies to TD than any other medium. I think the romantic theory does hold up there plus the opening composition is just so beautiful. I don't fit the mold as far as the beginning, middle, end theory. Nothing is more boring to me than the typical pop tune which mostly does just that. 'Ricochet' definitely doesn't do that. My favorites of all TD are Live Miles, Tangram, and Thief in that order. No beginning, middle, end there either and very little romance. I absolutely do not like Love on a Real Train. And I don't care much for the unstructured earliest compositions like Zeit or Atem. I've grown to like Rubycon a lot so there's hope for your lady, Jon, lol! I do believe that guys are attracted more to this music because of the tools. All those knobs, switches, and power lines must make some of you absolutely drool. And I'm fairly certain that the technicality of it all is what drives most ladies away, forgetting that they don't have to understand how it's made, just understand how it makes you feel. I can feel many things with TD music. I still haven't a clue what a Moog is. Just a few thoughts off the top of my head. I doubt this helps anybody. 8-Dell All IMO of course NP: oops, nothing! where is my mind today? As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: Jonathan Holt >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain >Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:22:07 -0500 (EST) > >Thanks to all those who have answered my curiosity... >It just seemed that of the little pocket of society >that had heard and enjoyed TD (that I'm aware of), >there were so few females. Most other types of music >seem to have a pretty good split between male and >female fans. > >Maybe some day my better half will love Rubycon like I >do! > >jonnyboy. > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37903 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Thu 12/19/2002 6 KB From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 2:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain I don't think any hard and fast rules can be made for life in general; there will always be too many exceptions. I'm not good at math or logic or computing (god and Morgan know), but I do drink beer and I get along better with male company because I can't stand to talk about make up, babies, and clothes. I would much rather save my money up for a new TD album than buy a new pair of shoes. Umm...what the heck has the left brain got to do with it? Not familiar with that terminology. All IMO of course. NP: Montreal '77; my mind has finally come back to reality As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: Marion Horrod >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain >Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:16:21 +0000 > >Andy, that was a very interesting post on 'Sex and the brain' > >Now I'm _extremely_ left brain according to some test or other I took a >while ago. Maybe that explains why I'm an 'honorary guy' (good at maths and >logic problems, work in computing, drink beer, have mostly male friends and >am not interested in make-up, clothes or babies). And why I like TD. > >Or maybe not. I dunno. > >LnH > >Marion _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 2:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Geeks and Hippies Whoa! Hippies were not geeks! Geeks are meek, mild, and extremely smart. If they get revenge, it is through some sort of technology. Hippies were loving, kind, and forgiving. If they got revenge it was through their passivity. Let's not confuse the two. 8-Dell All IMO of course. As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >Who says TD are geeks? EF was a scupltor who rubbed shoulders with >Salvador Dali! His music made the headlines before the term 'geek' >was invented (they were called hippies then ;-)). Computers were >houses that cost as much as a country! > > >BTF _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From: Marko Marin Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 6:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: 2 towers da soundtrack I bought the previous score because some reviews stated that there is great amount of choir used. As a choir-addict I bought it and was disappointed. Sold it. Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37884 Re: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack Marcel Engels mars103nl Thu 12/19/2002 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 6:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: 2 towers da soundtrack In a message dated 12/18/2002 10:30:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, rubyconist@y... writes: > I bought the previous score because some reviews > stated that there is great amount of choir used. As a > choir-addict I bought it and was disappointed. Sold > it. > > Regards, > Marko Marin > *Hmmmm choir-addict? Have you heard of Arvo Part? He's a recent Estonian composer who writes in the style of gregorian chant. He does some symphonic stuff too, but there's one work in particular 'Kanon Pojakanen' That is the single most beautiful choral work I've ever heard. No instruments, just a cappella... 2CD's on ECM label a little spendy $35 I think, but everyone I've turned it on to has been blown away by it... Highly recommended. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Marcel Engels ' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 7:30 am Subject: Re: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Marko Marin wrote: > I bought the previous score because some reviews > stated that there is great amount of choir used. As a > choir-addict I bought it and was disappointed. Sold > it. While in movie it worked very well (although the main theme comes back too much imo) I also heard the score a few times and for me it didn't worked that well. I especially liked the choirs when Gandalf fell into that black hole and the fellowship walked out of the complex, that gave and still gives me goosebumps. I wonder when/if TD will score for a movie. I would love to do that, but probably never will/can. :-) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 5:41 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Haha! I never thought about it that way! Just noticing my OE has put a lot of today's mail in the recycle bin.. gotta check that out, as I answer this from the trash can! Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: billythefish01 [mailto:mudspanker@y...] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:06 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: OT - Anyone else having probs with Y? Thanks! I thought lol looked a little like Edvard Munch's The Scream, so I had to ask! I have 90Mb limit, but get loads of image files so it fills up frequently. BTF --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Debra Wilson' wrote: > lol = Laughing Out Loud > > I would kill for broadband! Lucky you! Well, not kill, but I keep wishing I > could have it! > It's Yahoo thing... but what do you expect for free? It works fine for > months, then goes haywire, then goes nuts again.... *sigh* > As for filling up your mailbox, how big a storage limit do you have? I have > 10 megs, and am subscribed to several very busy lists- I get about 400 laims > per day, and it has yet to be filled, unless I asked someone to send me a 3 > or 4 meg attachment. From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:37 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings Am I the only one that got bored an hour into it and came back to my computer? Although I am planning on reading the book, I can almost guarnetee that will hold a LOT more appeal to me.. movies all kind of bore me.....:-( Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:12 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings Hi all I have just been watching the second part of Tolkien's masterpiece Lord Of The Rings. Again Peter Jackson has made a brilliant work, allthough this part is IMO made more in the tradition of Hollywood. When this is said, you are in for a treat of fx, sound, battlescenes, brilliant acting, humor and for those of you who worry about Ents and Gollum.....=O).....no need to worry....this is VERY good. I will not spoil anything for you, just go see this movie. Some things have been change, like in the first part, but IMO is does not ruin the movie......... I have to go see this again tomorrow.............=O) Regards Jan ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37888 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings billythefish01 billythefish01 Thu 12/19/2002 4 KB 37900 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings Debra Wilson goatsong99 Thu 12/19/2002 5 KB 37905 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings Yanick Vigneault yanx_88 Thu 12/19/2002 6 KB 37918 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings Marcel Engels mars103nl Thu 12/19/2002 2 KB 37926 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings Debra Wilson goatsong99 Fri 12/20/2002 4 KB 37889 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings Marcel Engels mars103nl Thu 12/19/2002 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 9:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: 2 towers da soundtrack > > I bought the previous score because some reviews > > stated that there is great amount of choir used. As a > > choir-addict I bought it and was disappointed. Sold > > it. > > > > Regards, > > Marko Marin > > > >*Hmmmm choir-addict? Have you heard of Arvo Part? He's a recent Estonian >composer who writes in the style of gregorian chant. He does some symphonic >stuff too, but there's one work in particular 'Kanon Pojakanen' That is the >single most beautiful choral work I've ever heard. No instruments, just a >cappella... 2CD's on ECM label a little spendy $35 I think, but everyone >I've >turned it on to has been blown away by it... Highly recommended. >Poly I've heard 'Alina' which was extremely minimalistic... but good. Not the kind of music which you really listen anxiously, but good a) when tired b) on background Oh, and he's actually Pärt as AFAIK. But while we're at it... What are your favourite TD choral bits? Here's mine: -TT vol.9 pt 1 (definite!) -Underwater Twilight -the very end of Ricochet pt 2 (only in relation to the rest of the piece, though) -Elf June and the Midnight Patrol -Marakesh (believe it or not) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 10:08 am Subject: Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings I just like it for the scenery - New Zealand is such a beautiful place. It bored me rigid otherwise. Just always knowing there's another monster / army around the next corner. Give me Harry Potter any day ;-) BTF PS - ... or Legend --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Debra Wilson' wrote: > Am I the only one that got bored an hour into it and came back to my > computer? > Although I am planning on reading the book, I can almost guarnetee that will > hold a LOT more appeal to me.. movies all kind of bore me.....:-( > > Debra Wilson > Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html > AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs > http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...] > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:12 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings > > > Hi all > > I have just been watching the second part of Tolkien's masterpiece Lord > Of The Rings. > > Again Peter Jackson has made a brilliant work, allthough this part is > IMO made more in the tradition of Hollywood. When this is said, you are in > for a treat of fx, sound, battlescenes, brilliant acting, humor and for > those of you who worry about Ents and Gollum.....=O).....no need to > worry....this is VERY good. I will not spoil anything for you, just go see > this movie. > > Some things have been change, like in the first part, but IMO is does > not ruin the movie......... > > I have to go see this again tomorrow.............=O) > > Regards > Jan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37900 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings Debra Wilson goatsong99 Thu 12/19/2002 5 KB 37905 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings Yanick Vigneault yanx_88 Thu 12/19/2002 6 KB 37918 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings Marcel Engels mars103nl Thu 12/19/2002 2 KB 37926 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings Debra Wilson goatsong99 Fri 12/20/2002 4 KB From: 'Marcel Engels ' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 10:48 am Subject: Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Debra Wilson' wrote: > Am I the only one that got bored an hour into it and came back to my > computer? > Although I am planning on reading the book, I can almost guarnetee that will > hold a LOT more appeal to me.. movies all kind of bore me.....:-( > > Debra Wilson What made it so boring for you? I've been reading the books again and they are definitely more interesting then the movie imo, much more going on and much more time to explain and develop things. But you can't 'bore' people with a 24 hour movie, although I wouldn't mind. If this movie bores you then yes I think almost all movies will bore you. :-) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 3:21 pm Subject: [tadream] Re: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack Now, this could be an interesting thread. If TD were to score for a movie (or a TV series if you wish), what kind of film would you like it to be? (Well, of course, the question implies that it would be a good movie that TD would care about scoring and not just do it for the money just like they sometimes did) As for myself, I think they could be good in scoring independant movies, maybe more intimist than spectacular. Or may be (speaking of the lord of the rings) some kind of paranormal/psychological thriller like the japanese movies of the 'Ring' series. Thomas. ----Message réexpédié---- >A: tadream@yahoogroups.com >De: 'Marcel Engels ' >Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:30:19 -0000 >Sujet: [tadream] Re: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack > >--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Marko Marin wrote: >> I bought the previous score because some reviews >> stated that there is great amount of choir used. As a >> choir-addict I bought it and was disappointed. Sold >> it. > >While in movie it worked very well (although the main theme >comes back too much imo) I also heard the score a few times >and for me it didn't worked that well. >I especially liked the choirs when Gandalf fell into that >black hole and the fellowship walked out of the complex, >that gave and still gives me goosebumps. >I wonder when/if TD will score for a movie. >I would love to do that, but probably never will/can. :-) > >Marcel >http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels >mengels@w... > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 11:50 am Subject: TD movie score -- was: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack As I said before it could be fun too see TD make a soundtrack for a Star Trek movie....................... Ultimately for Star Wars: Episode 3................Then there would be something to look forward too............. Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37892 Re: TD movie score -- was: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 12/19/2002 3 KB 37894 Re: TD movie score -- was: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack Yannick EDOM Edom_Y Thu 12/19/2002 2 KB 37895 Re: TD movie score -- was: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack PERGAMON pergamondk Thu 12/19/2002 2 KB 37896 Re: TD movie score -- was: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 12/19/2002 3 KB 37898 Re: TD movie score -- was: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack PERGAMON pergamondk Thu 12/19/2002 4 KB 37936 Re: TD movie score -- was: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media) glennfolkvord Sat 12/21/2002 2 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 4:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD movie score -- was: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack At 12:50 19.12.02, you wrote: >As I said before it could be fun too see TD make a soundtrack for a Star >Trek movie....................... > >Ultimately for Star Wars: Episode 3................Then there would be >something to look forward too............. > >Jan I disagree... Star Wars minus John Williams = not Star Wars! Martin (an admitting 'Lucas Evangelist') A Merry Merry X-Mas to you all. I will be playing the Winter Solstice Festival in Darmstadt with my band on Saturday and will thus not be able to post any more messages before X-Mas. Have a great & enjoyable time. Peace, Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 11:13 am Subject: Underwater Sunlight 2003: potentially the best ever TD album/bonus tracks Message: 1 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:07:01 -0000 From: 'nike_italy2002 ' Subject: Re: re-release of Le Parc 2003 Hi all here are the official release date Le Parc / Green Desert 13 january 2003 Poland / Underwater sunlight 17 March 2003 Regards Nicola Cont With all the speculation as to whether Sanctuary are planning to add bonus tracks, here's a thought: If they decided to add Dolphin Smile (Which I think could be likely) and maybe Valley of the Sun/Vanishing Blue which were recorded in that same period, then Underwater Sunlight 2003 could then be the best ever TD release! Other potential bonus tracks on the others: Le Parc: As mentioned, 'Southend Mall', originally planned for Le Parc, plus the single recording of 'Street Hawk' Green Desert: 'Oedipus Tyrannus'? Mind you, this is '74, and not recorded during the same sessions. Poland: Single versions of 'Warsaw in the Sun' Underwater Sunlight: As mentioned Tyger: 'Vigour' for sure. Perhaps the one bonus that wouldn't be appreciated. Definately not the Relativity remix of the title track (please!) but what about adding the original single mix? Livemiles: 'Cool Breeze of Brighton' (only because the Antique Dreams set has it listed as recorded in 1986). Any other suggestions for potential bonus tracks? ***************r-e-k-l-a-m-a************** Masz dosc placenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - zaloz konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37897 Re: Underwater Sunlight 2003: potentially the best ever TD album/bon Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Thu 12/19/2002 3 KB From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 12:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD movie score -- was: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack > At 12:50 19.12.02, you wrote: > >As I said before it could be fun too see TD make a soundtrack for a Star > >Trek movie....................... > > > >Ultimately for Star Wars: Episode 3................Then there would be > >something to look forward too............. > > > >Jan > > I disagree... > > Star Wars minus John Williams = not Star Wars! Star Wars music is now a legend and can't be disassociated to John Williams. Anyway don't forget that the star wars documentary 'From Star Wars to Star Wars' soundtrack is composed by ex TD Christopher Franke. Some extracts are available from the Sonicimages Website. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 12:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD movie score -- was: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack ----- Original Message ----- From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak' > I disagree... > > Star Wars minus John Williams = not Star Wars! Do you not think it could be cool to listen to the Star Wars theme with a thumping sequencer in the back and...........oooopppsss.....wrong era.........with a beautifull Korg-sound and some breakbeats thumping away........=O) (no flame intended) Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37896 Re: TD movie score -- was: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 12/19/2002 3 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 12:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD movie score -- was: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack At 13:12 19.12.02, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak' > > I disagree... > > > > Star Wars minus John Williams = not Star Wars! > >Do you not think it could be cool to listen to the Star Wars theme with a >thumping sequencer in the back and...........oooopppsss.....wrong >era.........with a beautifull Korg-sound and some breakbeats thumping >away........=O) > >(no flame intended) > >Jan > Hi Jan, do you know the game Force Commander for the PC? It has a nice Rammsteinesque Metal-Version of the Imperial March... ;-) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 1:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Underwater Sunlight 2003: potentially the best ever TD album/bonus tracks From: 'Roger Hartopp' > With all the speculation as to whether Sanctuary are planning to add bonus tracks, here's a thought: [snip] It's a nice idea, but I think the idea of more bonus tracks turning up is unlikely. Ultima Thule had just been released on Antique Dreams, and it was easy and appropriate to include on EM. Had TD not cancelled Twilight Folder (the planned sequel to Antique Dreams) which probably would have included Dolphin Smile, then that might have been added to Underwater Sunlight. As for the other suggestions, Oedipus Tyrannus was prevented from an official release 20 years ago, apparently for legal reasons which most likely still stand. I don't think Southend Mall, Valley of the Sun or Vanishing Blue are appropraite - even if they were composed around the time of Le Parc or Underwater Sunlight, they have almost certainly been subsequentally fiddled with by Edgar. Would be nice to have Cool Breeze of Brighton on Livemiles though. The album deserves some actual live material on it :-) Maff From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 1:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD movie score -- was: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack Yes, I know that tune. I am a SW-fanatic and must have played Force Commander a million times. I love John Williams music for the Star Wars. I just think it could be cool to hear a TD-score for a Star Wars movie. Imagine the dark atmosphere in a SW-movie combined with dark, horrorsounds of TD and in the intense space-battle-scenes, fast sequencers..................sorry, but that could just be sooooooooo cool.................allthough I have too admit that TD would have a hard time topping the soundFX of the seimic charges from Jango Fett's Slave 1.................=O) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak' To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] TD movie score -- was: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack > At 13:12 19.12.02, you wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak' > > > I disagree... > > > > > > Star Wars minus John Williams = not Star Wars! > > > >Do you not think it could be cool to listen to the Star Wars theme with a > >thumping sequencer in the back and...........oooopppsss.....wrong > >era.........with a beautifull Korg-sound and some breakbeats thumping > >away........=O) > > > >(no flame intended) > > > >Jan > > > > Hi Jan, > > do you know the game Force Commander for the PC? It has a nice > Rammsteinesque Metal-Version of the Imperial March... ;-) > > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Glynn Naughton ' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 12:29 pm Subject: Fireball An advert for the upcoming TD concert in London appears in this month's _Classic Rock_. The concert is billed as 'Fireball' and the ad sez something like 'The world's leading synth band plays music from the last 30 years'. It also has a picture of, uh, a ball. On fire. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37912 Re: Fireball michaeljean@e... mikejeanwork Thu 12/19/2002 3 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 12:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings I almost made it thru Harry Potter- firgure it will take me 5 tries to actually see the whole thing, which is pretty good for me..lol. LOTR will take 8 or 9 I think, but I'm going into town tomorrow (today) er, in the morning, so I'll swing by the library while I'm there. Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: billythefish01 [mailto:mudspanker@y...] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:08 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings I just like it for the scenery - New Zealand is such a beautiful place. It bored me rigid otherwise. Just always knowing there's another monster / army around the next corner. Give me Harry Potter any day ;-) BTF PS - ... or Legend --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Debra Wilson' wrote: > Am I the only one that got bored an hour into it and came back to my > computer? > Although I am planning on reading the book, I can almost guarnetee that will > hold a LOT more appeal to me.. movies all kind of bore me.....:-( > > Debra Wilson > Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html > AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs > http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...] > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:12 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings > > > Hi all > > I have just been watching the second part of Tolkien's masterpiece Lord > Of The Rings. > > Again Peter Jackson has made a brilliant work, allthough this part is > IMO made more in the tradition of Hollywood. When this is said, you are in > for a treat of fx, sound, battlescenes, brilliant acting, humor and for > those of you who worry about Ents and Gollum.....=O).....no need to > worry....this is VERY good. I will not spoil anything for you, just go see > this movie. > > Some things have been change, like in the first part, but IMO is does > not ruin the movie......... > > I have to go see this again tomorrow.............=O) > > Regards > Jan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37905 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings Yanick Vigneault yanx_88 Thu 12/19/2002 6 KB 37918 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings Marcel Engels mars103nl Thu 12/19/2002 2 KB 37926 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings Debra Wilson goatsong99 Fri 12/20/2002 4 KB From: ampmusic Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 2:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1617 To all tadream group members, Happy Christmas, and for those who can reach London next year, a small Christmas gift. I'm pleased to announce details of a regular series of concerts throughout 2003 based on the 'Music for the 3rd Millennium' compilation CD's, which have featured Paul Haslinger and Johannes Schmoelling ex-of TD, and many other stars of Ashra and other synthesizer bands. Like the CD's, the 'Music for the 3rd Millennium' concert series will cover krautrock, synthesizer, ambient, progressive rock and experimental electronic music styles, and will feature well known names from around the world as well as some exciting new artists. The shows are in a spectacular church venue very near Baker Street underground station in central London, so they're very easy to reach and will take place on the last Saturday of every month, starting February and excluding December. So even if you don't know the details of each concert in advance, you can come along on that day and be sure of a wonderful evening of innovative music. And the Christmas gift is that all tadream group members can have a free ticket to the first event on Saturday February 22nd - just send an e-mail with your details and we'll mail you a ticket nearer the time. Here are the concert dates, with the artists already familiar from the 'Music for the 3rd Millennium' CD series asterisked; Saturday 22nd February AKEMI KUNIYOSHI (Japan) Solo grand piano - CD launch ALQUIMIA (*) (Mexico) A recent collaborator with Roedelius, and Steve Baltes of Ashra. Solo voice and electronics. CLOOPSEEND (Japan) Electronics Saturday 29th March MODULUS (*) (UK) Dark ambient electronics PAUL HOOD (UK) Turntables & electronics XPER:XR (HK/UK) Electronics MATTIN (UK) Electronics Saturday 26th April WHITE NOISE (*) (UK) The creators of 'An Electric Storm'. Kaleidophon & electronics Other artists to be confirmed Saturday 31st May HARALD GROSSKOPF (*) (Wallenstein/Ash Ra Tempel) + Steve Baltes (*) (Ash Ra) (Germany) 'Digital Nomad' concert MARK JENKINS (*) (UK) 'Sequencer Loops' concert Saturday 28th June 'A RAINBOW IN CURVED AIR' Composed by Terry Riley World premiere performance on contemporary and modern instruments Saturday 26th July TBA Saturday 30th August TBA Saturday 27th September TBA Saturday 25th October TBA Saturday 29th November TBA For more information on the concerts as it's announced, and a picture of the venue, go to http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampconcerts.html and for more information on the limited edition 'Music for the 3rd Millennium' CD's which also feature unreleased music from Michael Rother & Dieter Moebius, Johannes Schmoelling, Paul Haslinger, Robert Schroeder, Karl Bartos (Kraftwerk) and many others, go to http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampcds.html ends From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 2:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ot: 2 towers da soundtrack yes, replying to my own post... >Oh, and he's actually Pärt as AFAIK. 'As AFAIK'? Doh. >But while we're at it... >What are your favourite TD choral bits? Here's mine: >-TT vol.9 pt 1 (definite!) >-Underwater Twilight >-the very end of Ricochet pt 2 (only in relation to the rest of the piece, >though) >-Elf June and the Midnight Patrol >-Marakesh (believe it or not) I forgot one... Silver Scale on Tangents. One of the rather few successful TD overdubbings IMHO. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From: Jonathan Holt Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 3:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Thanks, Adele and every one else for a very interesting debate. BTW I would have thought that having 'Adele' in your mail name would be a dead giveaway that you were a girl/lady/woman! Niki (my much better half) likes the melodic pieces of TD. She can manage the whole of Song Of The Whale, example. But it seems to have a 'structure'... I think her loving Ricochet may be a long way off! At least she tolerates my ever-expanding TD collection and I love her for that as well as the million other wonderful things about her! Jonnyboy. --- Adele Outland wrote: > Guess I should answer this one since I'm a female. > That fact went > un-noticed and untold for an entire year when I > first joined the uwp list > because I noted the over abundance of males and was > afraid I would not be > accepted if they knew otherwise. > > My attraction to strange, long musical passages like > The Doors' 'Light My > Fire' long version and Grand Funk Railroad's > 'Paranoia' caught the attention > of a DJ friend of mine. He handed me an album and > watched me go into a > trance from the first few notes. That album was > 'Ricochet' still a favorite > of mine. > > It had nothing to do with romance, although I was in > love at the time. > However, I have noticed that the movie, 'Legend' has > done more to entice the > ladies to TD than any other medium. I think the > romantic theory does hold up > there plus the opening composition is just so > beautiful. > > I don't fit the mold as far as the beginning, > middle, end theory. Nothing is > more boring to me than the typical pop tune which > mostly does just that. > 'Ricochet' definitely doesn't do that. My favorites > of all TD are Live > Miles, Tangram, and Thief in that order. No > beginning, middle, end there > either and very little romance. I absolutely do not > like Love on a Real > Train. And I don't care much for the unstructured > earliest compositions like > Zeit or Atem. I've grown to like Rubycon a lot so > there's hope for your > lady, Jon, lol! > > I do believe that guys are attracted more to this > music because of the > tools. All those knobs, switches, and power lines > must make some of you > absolutely drool. And I'm fairly certain that the > technicality of it all is > what drives most ladies away, forgetting that they > don't have to understand > how it's made, just understand how it makes you > feel. I can feel many things > with TD music. I still haven't a clue what a Moog > is. > > Just a few thoughts off the top of my head. I doubt > this helps anybody. > 8-Dell > > All IMO of course > NP: oops, nothing! where is my mind today? > > > > > > As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. > > > > > > >From: Jonathan Holt > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls > and the uncertain > >Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:22:07 -0500 (EST) > > > >Thanks to all those who have answered my > curiosity... > >It just seemed that of the little pocket of society > >that had heard and enjoyed TD (that I'm aware of), > >there were so few females. Most other types of > music > >seem to have a pretty good split between male and > >female fans. > > > >Maybe some day my better half will love Rubycon > like I > >do! > > > >jonnyboy. > > > >______________________________________________________________________ > >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > >Tangerine Tree info at > >http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection > with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 3:51 pm Subject: Re: the Score Here's hoping that you get that opportunity! Now the way I see it... you have to start somewhere. There must be plenty of up-and-coming directors out there who would love to get a TD-esque soundtrack but couldn't afford TD themselves. Maybe they could afford someone here - I suspect there are more than a few candidates on this list who might possibly be up to the task. FSP and Arcane, and even (may he rest in peace) Max Van R. would be great candidates for fantastic film soundtrack contributions, IMO. w <<>> From: 'Yanick Vigneault ' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 4:12 pm Subject: Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings The son of one of my old colleague of work made 'Map Painting' for this production (http://www.dusso.com/). It would seem that LOTR II is higher than the first. I will see the movie soon! It would be extraordinary if TD would take part in the B.O of the next episodes! It would be fantastic!!! Yanick Vigneault -------------------------------------------------------------------- Le fils d'un de mes anciens collègue de travail a fait du Map Painting pour ce film http://www.dusso.com/ . Je vais aller voir le film bientôt! Il semblerait que LOTR II est supérieur au premier. Ce serait extraordinaire si TD participerais à la B.O des prochains épisodes! Ce serait fantastique! Dream On! Yanick Vigneault --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Debra Wilson' wrote: > I almost made it thru Harry Potter- firgure it will take me 5 tries to > actually see the whole thing, which is pretty good for me..lol. > LOTR will take 8 or 9 I think, but I'm going into town tomorrow (today) er, > in the morning, so I'll swing by the library while I'm there. > > Debra Wilson > Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html > AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs > http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: billythefish01 > [mailto:mudspanker@y...] > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:08 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings > > > I just like it for the scenery - New Zealand is such a beautiful > place. It bored me rigid otherwise. Just always knowing there's > another monster / army around the next corner. > > Give me Harry Potter any day ;-) > > BTF > > PS - ... or Legend > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Debra Wilson' > wrote: > > Am I the only one that got bored an hour into it and came back to my > > computer? > > Although I am planning on reading the book, I can almost guarnetee > that will > > hold a LOT more appeal to me.. movies all kind of bore me.....:-( > > > > Debra Wilson > > Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal > > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html > > AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs > > http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:12 PM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings > > > > > > Hi all > > > > I have just been watching the second part of Tolkien's > masterpiece Lord > > Of The Rings. > > > > Again Peter Jackson has made a brilliant work, allthough this > part is > > IMO made more in the tradition of Hollywood. When this is said, you > are in > > for a treat of fx, sound, battlescenes, brilliant acting, humor and > for > > those of you who worry about Ents and Gollum.....=O).....no need to > > worry....this is VERY good. I will not spoil anything for you, just > go see > > this movie. > > > > Some things have been change, like in the first part, but IMO > is does > > not ruin the movie......... > > > > I have to go see this again tomorrow.............=O) > > > > Regards > > Jan > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37918 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings Marcel Engels mars103nl Thu 12/19/2002 2 KB 37926 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings Debra Wilson goatsong99 Fri 12/20/2002 4 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 4:17 pm Subject: Re: Choral bits In a message dated 12/19/02 5:02:33 AM, johnvertical@h... writes: >But while we're at it... >What are your favourite TD choral bits? Rubycon part 1, definitely. --Daniel the Rubycon fiend NP: Statemachine - Breakdown Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37923 Re: Choral bits Marko Marin rubyconist Fri 12/20/2002 2 KB 37924 Re: Choral bits braddito braddito Fri 12/20/2002 2 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 4:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack I thought the sound track was crafted into the movie pretty darn good. I agree with you, sometimes the main theme was a bit more heard but overall, I have to say it was great. The movie was done once again very well. I will have to wait for the DVD to come out to really dig into it. I saw it on the first row. A bit neck overwhelming as well as sonic'ed. I don't want to spoil anything, so I will not comment on the actual scenes. Just go and pay the money to see it. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:30 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Marko Marin wrote: > > I bought the previous score because some reviews > > stated that there is great amount of choir used. As a > > choir-addict I bought it and was disappointed. Sold > > it. > > While in movie it worked very well (although the main theme > comes back too much imo) I also heard the score a few times > and for me it didn't worked that well. > I especially liked the choirs when Gandalf fell into that > black hole and the fellowship walked out of the complex, > that gave and still gives me goosebumps. > I wonder when/if TD will score for a movie. > I would love to do that, but probably never will/can. :-) > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 4:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings yes the original books hold much more than the movie shows to truly enjoy this tail, you will have to read them all. to see something like this come to life makes one feel lucky to live this long to see technology come this far. makes one wish to live a bit more to see it go much further. but alas... such is a mortal's demise. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Debra Wilson' To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:37 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings > Am I the only one that got bored an hour into it and came back to my > computer? > Although I am planning on reading the book, I can almost guarnetee that will > hold a LOT more appeal to me.. movies all kind of bore me.....:-( > > Debra Wilson > Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html > AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs > http://home.attt.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: PERGAMON [mailto:pergamon@g...] > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:12 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings > > > Hi all > > I have just been watching the second part of Tolkien's masterpiece Lord > Of The Rings. > > Again Peter Jackson has made a brilliant work, allthough this part is > IMO made more in the tradition of Hollywood. When this is said, you are in > for a treat of fx, sound, battlescenes, brilliant acting, humor and for > those of you who worry about Ents and Gollum.....=O).....no need to > worry....this is VERY good. I will not spoil anything for you, just go see > this movie. > > Some things have been change, like in the first part, but IMO is does > not ruin the movie......... > > I have to go see this again tomorrow.............=O) > > Regards > Jan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37910 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings Debra Wilson goatsong99 Thu 12/19/2002 3 KB From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 4:36 pm Subject: Re: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain > From: 'Adele Outland' >Subject: Re: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain >I do believe that guys are attracted more to this music because of the >tools. All those knobs, switches, and power lines must make some of you >absolutely drool. And I'm fairly certain that the technicality of it all is >what drives most ladies away, Yep, that's another possible theory. However, I didn't have a clue about the instrumentation first time I heard Rubycon, way back when. It was the music, in itself, that attracted me. If it had been about technicalities I would have been out of here long time ago. On the other hand, I must say that I remember enjoying to learn about their reluctance to show themselves on stage. The thought that this dark, beautiful, fantasy-inspiring music where played by musicians who were hiding behind walls of equipment instead of flirting with the audience; Playing in churches because it provided the right atmosphere; That certainly impressed me. Why? Well, it all seemed right at the time, kind of an addition to the mystery. It was much about mystery. Who were these guys playing this great music etc.? A mystery that gained momentum as it continued a mystery. Many questions - difficult to find the answers. There was more than an ounce of magic to it all. Of course this is related to TD in the 70s. Those who came in later most certainly have other reasons for liking their music. /Olle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37911 Re: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain Debra Wilson goatsong99 Thu 12/19/2002 5 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 4:52 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings My problem is I get so caught up in books, it may as well be a movie! I'll be sitting here, telling someone about this movie, filled with esquisite detail, then realize it was never a moviee to begin with.. only a book! Oops! More reason to love to read them though.. so much more real. :-) Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Administrator [mailto:admin@k...] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 8:34 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - - Lord Of The Rings yes the original books hold much more than the movie shows to truly enjoy this tail, you will have to read them all. to see something like this come to life makes one feel lucky to live this long to see technology come this far. makes one wish to live a bit more to see it go much further. but alas... such is a mortal's demise. dale From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 4:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain knobs? switches? There's a Aaron Tippin song, called 'Big Boy Toys'... let me tell you, that is my theme song! Has all the stuff thta makes me drool! lol I'd hook my wagon to my truck and I'd head across the yard for my big sandbox where I'm workin' real hard, playin' all day with my little toy trucks, backhoes bulldozers earth movin' stuff, that was my whole life, when I was a kid, but when I grew up I guess I never really did I like Big Boy Toys, motors and the lights, knobs and switches and a four wheel drive, runnin' up the road, or crawlin' cross the farm, and when they break down I jack'em up in the yard, pull out my tools, my pride and joy, man you gotta lov'em, Big Boy Toys Now sometimes baby just can't understand, the mud on my boots and the grease on my hands, I try to explain how it makes me feel, the awesome power of my hands on the wheel, if I can't find the words, to set things right, I just scoot over and I let my baby drive, she likes Big Boy Toys, motors and the lights, knobs and switches and a four wheel drive, runnin' up the road, or crawlin' cross the farm, and when they break down I jack'em up in the yard, pull out my tools, my pride and joy, man you gotta lov'em, Big Boy Toys It's boats and cars, tractors and trucks, gasoline and diesel fuel are runnin' through my blood, I like'm Big Boy Toys, motors and the lights, knobs and switches and a four wheel drive, runnin' up the road, or crawlin' cross the farm, and when they break down I jack'em up in the yard, pull out my tools, my pride and joy, man you gotta lov'em, Big Boy Toys man you gotta lov'em, Big Boy Toys. Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: olle.rundgren@s... [mailto:olle.rundgren@s...] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 8:37 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain > From: 'Adele Outland' >Subject: Re: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain >I do believe that guys are attracted more to this music because of the >tools. All those knobs, switches, and power lines must make some of you >absolutely drool. And I'm fairly certain that the technicality of it all is >what drives most ladies away, From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 6:10 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Fireball Hmmm...My old agency held an actual ball with that name to commemorate the anniversary of the great Chicago fire. The reason being we provided relief and aid back in the day. Original Message: ----------------- From: Glynn Naughton glynn_naughton@h... Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:29:52 -0000 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Fireball An advert for the upcoming TD concert in London appears in this month's _Classic Rock_. The concert is billed as 'Fireball' and the ad sez something like 'The world's leading synth band plays music from the last 30 years'. It also has a picture of, uh, a ball. On fire. Glynn ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 6:45 pm Subject: midi tool(caution tech speak contained) For those who use MIDI here, http://www.midiox.com/ has a interesting tool that may be of use. I am going to poke at it a bitmore in VB and maybe C in a few here to see if I can adapt some things I want to do with it. It looks promising to show the actual traffic between the synths and computer (perhaps between synths via a computer as well). I did not see a MAC version... This fits into my wierd idea about mellotron and sampler (a5k) and so forth... I now know how to alter the velocity via my sampler between two sets of samples, keyed with any of my keyboards with as many effects to make it Mississippi River to Artic clear, even using the joystick on the DarkStar, pedals, wheels, glide pad and IR. If anyone else knows of such programing tools, email off list. Dale Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37914 RE : [tadream] midi tool(caution tech speak contained) Fred Yargui fredyargui Thu 12/19/2002 4 KB 37915 Re: midi tool(caution tech speak contained) Administrator dale1kay Thu 12/19/2002 4 KB 37916 Re: midi tool(caution tech speak contained) Administrator dale1kay Thu 12/19/2002 2 KB 37917 Re: midi tool(caution tech speak contained) Administrator dale1kay Thu 12/19/2002 2 KB From: 'Fred Yargui' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 6:56 pm Subject: RE : [tadream] midi tool(caution tech speak contained) Hello, Dale ! I'm very interested in your link. Many thanks. Last summer, I tried to have some midi dlls for vb5... I would like to manage sysex and to program my own computer controlled effects on my synths. In particular to randomize the sound in my juno106 (roland) / dx 7 / tg33 (yamaha) I must have all the data format to control them. It was easier when I used Gfa basic on Atari system :o) Now, I would like to be in touch with some members who use their pc to control some parameters in their electronic music... Cheers, Fred > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Administrator [mailto:admin@k...] > Envoyé : jeudi 19 décembre 2002 19:46 > À : tadream@yahoogroups.com > Objet : [tadream] midi tool(caution tech speak contained) > > > For those who use MIDI here, http://www.midiox.com/ has a > interesting tool that may be of use. I am going to poke at it > a bitmore in VB and maybe C in a few here to see if I can > adapt some things I want to do with it. It looks promising to > show the actual traffic between the synths and computer > (perhaps between synths via a computer as well). I did not > see a MAC version... > > This fits into my wierd idea about mellotron and sampler > (a5k) and so forth... I now know how to alter the velocity > via my sampler between two sets of samples, keyed with any of > my keyboards with as many effects to make it Mississippi > River to Artic clear, even using the joystick on the > DarkStar, pedals, wheels, glide pad and IR. > > If anyone else knows of such programing tools, email off list. > > Dale > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 7:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] midi tool(caution tech speak contained) now the cat is out of the bag yea keep me up to date what you find out and learn. I am using .NET, VB6, and C to set up some things I want to do with the EQ I have. The commercial apps I have are great for some things but... sometimes I just want something a bit different or otherwise unique. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Fred Yargui' To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 10:56 AM Subject: RE : [tadream] midi tool(caution tech speak contained) Hello, Dale ! I'm very interested in your link. Many thanks. Last summer, I tried to have some midi dlls for vb5... I would like to manage sysex and to program my own computer controlled effects on my synths. In particular to randomize the sound in my juno106 (roland) / dx 7 / tg33 (yamaha) I must have all the data format to control them. It was easier when I used Gfa basic on Atari system :o) Now, I would like to be in touch with some members who use their pc to control some parameters in their electronic music... Cheers, Fred > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Administrator [mailto:admin@k...] > Envoyé : jeudi 19 décembre 2002 19:46 > À : tadream@yahoogroups.com > Objet : [tadream] midi tool(caution tech speak contained) > > > For those who use MIDI here, http://www.midiox.com/ has a > interesting tool that may be of use. I am going to poke at it > a bitmore in VB and maybe C in a few here to see if I can > adapt some things I want to do with it. It looks promising to > show the actual traffic between the synths and computer > (perhaps between synths via a computer as well). I did not > see a MAC version... > > This fits into my wierd idea about mellotron and sampler > (a5k) and so forth... I now know how to alter the velocity > via my sampler between two sets of samples, keyed with any of > my keyboards with as many effects to make it Mississippi > River to Artic clear, even using the joystick on the > DarkStar, pedals, wheels, glide pad and IR. > > If anyone else knows of such programing tools, email off list. > > Dale > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 7:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] midi tool(caution tech speak contained) Fred Arpeggiator sample, it's in classes. If you can flow chart it out, I think you are going to love this. I can adapt this to any random event or anything else, use a keyboard to triger a chord here or there, range it and so forth. I am pretty darn sure I can also re-code this to take any input from a IR device, motion sensor or whatever and send this out. dale From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 9:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] midi tool(caution tech speak contained) http://www.ntonyx.com/vac.html another fine link This one takes a midi direct into a wave, etc... check out all the products dale From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 10:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings > From: Yanick Vigneault > > The son of one of my old colleague of work made 'Map Painting' for > this production (http://www.dusso.com/). Wow, looks very good. Some of the pics got everything I would love to have on my CD cover. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37926 Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings Debra Wilson goatsong99 Fri 12/20/2002 4 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 11:35 pm Subject: OT: Paul Hertzog Paul Hertzog composed the soundtrack for the karate movie 'Bloodsport'. My question is: 1- is there a soundtrack release of this music, or 2. If not, how can I get a file download of this music. His music is very cool and electronic - it just struck me on the right nerve. VicRek From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 2:33 am Subject: Melrose Years Box Set Hi Everybody! Has anyone in the U.S. received their copy in the mail yet? I odered mine the day it was available and still haven't gotten it yet. Just curious. Rick Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37921 Re: Melrose Years Box Set Utch Entel utch_entel Fri 12/20/2002 2 KB 37929 Re: Melrose Years Box Set tei waz teiwazbarana2002 Fri 12/20/2002 3 KB 37930 Re: Melrose Years Box Set moxica@a... moxica93 Fri 12/20/2002 3 KB From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 2:49 am Subject: Re: Melrose Years Box Set Hi, Rick! Yes! I live in Northern Arizona and have received my copy... ...ordered it November 29th, received it a few days ago. ...Utch On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:33:15 EST, rbrown4856@a... wrote: >Hi Everybody! > > Has anyone in the U.S. received their copy in the mail yet? I odered mine >the day it was available and still haven't gotten it yet. > >Just curious. >Rick --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. --Douglas Adams From: ampmusic Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 3:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1618 > > Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:36:37 +0100 > From: olle.rundgren@s... > Subject: Re: RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain > > > On the other hand, I must say that I remember enjoying to learn about their > reluctance to show themselves on stage. The thought that this dark, > beautiful, fantasy-inspiring music where played by musicians who were hiding > behind walls of equipment instead of flirting with the audience; Playing in > churches because it provided the right atmosphere; That certainly impressed > me. Why? Well, it all seemed right at the time, kind of an addition to the > mystery. It was much about mystery. Who were these guys playing this great > music etc.? A mystery that gained momentum as it continued a mystery. Many > questions - difficult to find the answers. There was more than an ounce of > magic to it all. > > Of course this is related to TD in the 70s. Those who came in later most > certainly have other reasons for liking their music. > > /Olle Part of the reason why a church venue was chosen for the 'Music for the 3rd Millennium' concerts in London throughout 2003. If you've never seen synthesizer music done in a church setting, you're in for a treat - this one is almost as nice as Coventry Cathedral :-) There's a picture on the web page http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampconcerts.html but a much more spectacular one will be added next month when some more concert details appear. The most obvious show for Berlin school enthusiasts will be the May one featuring the huge modular synthesizer 'El Monstruo' - but earlier shows like White Noise in April, and other Berlin style shows later in the year with details still TBA, should be equally entertaining... From: Marko Marin Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 6:48 am Subject: [tadream] Re: Choral bits --- quarlie@a... wrote: > In a message dated 12/19/02 5:02:33 AM, > johnvertical@h... writes: > > >But while we're at it... > >What are your favourite TD choral bits? > > Rubycon part 1, definitely. Yes! Rubycon has the best parts. Part 1 a bit light and Part 2 has the 2001/Ligeti-style chorus, which I love. Regards, Marko Marin np: Brad Fiedel - T2 ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37924 Re: Choral bits braddito braddito Fri 12/20/2002 2 KB From: 'braddito ' Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 8:28 am Subject: Re: Choral bits > > >But while we're at it... > > >What are your favourite TD choral bits? > > My favourite would be the closing section on Alpha Centauri as the organ, synth and voices leave me with a feeling of being stuck in the cold void of space. Very atmospheric. Still exciting every time I hear it, even after 30 years of regular listening. Toby From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 7:23 am Subject: Happy holidays Only a couple of hours left before I switch off my PC and go on a mini vacation, so I think now is the right time to wish all of you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! I hope 2003 will be as 'tree-mendous' as it was this year, and I'm really looking forward to meet some of you in London next February. best regards Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37927 Re: Happy holidays Debra Wilson goatsong99 Fri 12/20/2002 3 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 10:12 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings Wow! I'm looking at that site now, and the artwork is amazing! I can't even guess at the work it had to involve, but wow! It looks great! Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy for all you P2P needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Marcel Engels [mailto:mengels@w...] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:03 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: OT - - Lord Of The Rings > From: Yanick Vigneault > > The son of one of my old colleague of work made 'Map Painting' for > this production (http://www.dusso.com/). Wow, looks very good. Some of the pics got everything I would love to have on my CD cover. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 10:30 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Happy holidays Merry Christmas Heiko! Have a good holiday :-) Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 11:24 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Happy holidays Only a couple of hours left before I switch off my PC and go on a mini vacation, so I think now is the right time to wish all of you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! I hope 2003 will be as 'tree-mendous' as it was this year, and I'm really looking forward to meet some of you in London next February. best regards Heiko From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 4:41 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #300 for December 19, 2002 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #300 December 19, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Jonn Serrie, a defining pioneer of the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Planetary Chronicles Volume 2' on the Miramar label. I played the music of Terra Ambient and Stephen Philips, two of the acts which will appear at WINTER MOON, The Pittsburgh Ambient Solstice Festival. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Chronos' by Michael Stearns on the Sonic Atmospheres label. Jonn Serrie http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#dec WINTER MOON http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Michael Stearns Angels and Bells Chronos (Sonic Atmospheres) AirSculpture, Star Syncing in the Swamp Okefenokee Dreams 2002 Sounds Orchestra et al (unreleased) Rob Essers The Ability to Dream Raincolors (Groove) Thought Guild Distant Star [context] (HRR) Rudy Adrian and Deep Within Forbidden Across the Silver Sky (Groove) Ron Boots Mountains Terra Ambient The Glass House The Darker Space (Space for Music) Metlay! Necrocosm After Silence (Atomic City) Stephen Philips Alone Again Reflections in Water (Dark Duck) 12:00 am Jonn Serrie First Night Out Planetary Chronicles Volume 2 (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Vista Range Planetary Chronicles Volume 2 (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Aftervisions Planetary Chronicles Volume 2 (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Continuum Planetary Chronicles Volume 2 (Miramar) Jonn Serrie On a Frontier of Fables Planetary Chronicles Volume 2 (Miramar) Steve Roach Begins Looking Skyward Day Out of Time (Timeroom) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Jonn Serrie. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Flightpath' on the Miramar label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Timewind' by Klaus Schulze on the Caroline label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 5:19 pm Subject: re: Melrose Years Box Set >Has anyone in the U.S. received their copy in the mail yet? Nope, not here, yet. Made a few attempts at ordering it on day 1 finally went thru nov 23 and then there was a problem with the order page (my street addy was reported as my CC#) and as of dec 5th that was straightened out--not sure if at that point they made me wait (again) the (apparently) required number of EU days or not.... nevertheless, I ordered something from the UK last week (21st century shizoid band official bootleg) and it's already here.... and something else from the UK, too but it apparently was apparently drop-shipped from inside the US so I won't count that but mention it anyway. :) --T np THE WHO 7/3/02 _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From: moxica@a... Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 6:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re: Melrose Years Box Set I've had mine for about 2 weeks now. -- Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA moxica@a... > >Has anyone in the U.S. received their copy in the mail yet? > > Nope, not here, yet. Made a few attempts at ordering it on day 1 finally > went thru nov 23 and then there was a problem with the order page (my street > addy was reported as my CC#) and as of dec 5th that was straightened > out--not sure if at that point they made me wait (again) the (apparently) > required number of EU days or not.... > > nevertheless, I ordered something from the UK last week (21st century > shizoid band official bootleg) and it's already here.... and something else > from the UK, too but it apparently was apparently drop-shipped from inside > the US so I won't count that but mention it anyway. > > :) > > --T > > np THE WHO 7/3/02 > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: PENFOLD Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD references in unexpected places At 02.12.16-09:04, Jens Kilian wrote: >In Alastair Reynold's _Chasm City_ (an SF novel), he uses 'Tangerine Dream' >as a name for a gas-giant planet. It's just a throwaway reference, the planet >doesn't actually play a major role. I wonder if AR is a fan... > >Any other examples (except for ice cream, car dealers and porn stars, >which were already mentioned here :-)? Fruitopia made a beverage called 'Tangerine Wavelength' €0.02 Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html From: Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 10:05 pm Subject: LPs for trade Hello All, I am in need of the three CDRs in the REAL Dream Encores set. I have 'most' of the artwork, but no discs. I have recently found these records: Mike Oldfield - Airborn - VA 13143 TD - Cyclone (Original gatefold cover) - V2097 TD - Tangram - vi2147 TD - Force Majeure - OVED 111 EF - Solo 1974-1979 - V2197 Anyone interested???? Happy Holiday to All!!!!!! Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 11:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Looking for Suggestions... >So what other suggestions does the group have for me? Would prefer >works that are in print. >Thanks! >B Perhaps you could try the Schulze CDs rereleased by Manikin - Interface, which had been out of print; Moondawn - which is the original vinyl master, not the remixed regular CD version; Live - which has the track Sense in its original 51 minute length (it would not fit the original vinyl)... Jarre's albums have been remastered and released by Sony in 1997. The Concerts in China is highly recommended: 90% of the original vinyl inner sleeve is reproduced there, and the whole album is there in just one CD in great sound quality, not a single track had to be cut out. It's interesting that you say you prefer melodic to ambient while at the same you like Klaus Schulze... which music IMO could mostly be described as 'ambient'. Or were you mentioning TD's 'melodic' work rather than the 'ambient' work? kind regards, happy holidays to everyone, GJ np. Kaipa's first album. great stuff! Swedish prog: every band I know I like very very much. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@s... From: 'esculap' Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 11:44 pm Subject: Re: Brain Halves >From: 'fozziebear' >The ladies at work ask to borrow my TD CD's just as much as the men do. >David One lady at my work has borrowed my TD CDs, not for herself but for her husband... Andy From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Sat Dec 21, 2002 6:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies with men's names But you see, I sign my name as Dell which most people took to mean a man's name even though that would ususually be with only one L. My fears were unjustified, however. The denizens of both lists have been very welcoming and accepting. Actually, I'm curious to know how you found out my real name, but I guess it's in the sign up list somewhere. 8-Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: Jonathan Holt >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls and the uncertain >Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:21:14 -0500 (EST) > >Thanks, Adele and every one else for a very >interesting debate. > >BTW I would have thought that having 'Adele' in your >mail name would be a dead giveaway that you were a >girl/lady/woman! _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_eliminateviruse\ s_3mf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37937 Re: attention ladies with men's names John Vertical omegatransfinito Sat 12/21/2002 2 KB 37941 Re: attention ladies with men's names Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sat 12/21/2002 3 KB 37956 Re: attention ladies with men's names Adele Outland outlanda60 Tue 12/24/2002 3 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' Date: Sat Dec 21, 2002 5:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD movie score -- was: ot: 2 towers da soundtrack ---- Original Message ----- From: 'PERGAMON' > As I said before it could be fun too see TD make a soundtrack for a Star > Trek movie....................... > > Ultimately for Star Wars: Episode 3................Then there would be > something to look forward too............. Huh? Star Wars without an orchestral score? No way! :-) Glenn http://www.jarretribute.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Dec 21, 2002 9:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies with men's names >Actually, I'm curious to know how you found out my real name, >but I guess it's in the sign up list somewhere. 8-Dell The 'From' field in your messages says very plainly 'Adele Outland'... ever noticed this? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU\ = http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_advancedjmf_3mf From: 'bjoernsip ' Date: Sat Dec 21, 2002 10:35 am Subject: 'Laufen' by Johannes Schmölling Got my 'Laufen'-CD today with personal christmas-wishings from Johannes. Very interesting, especially for runners like me. It includes some new music by Johannes and 'kneeplay no. 9' from 'wuivend riet'. A problem for some of you may be the german language. Maybe someone in this list can translate the conversations. I think my english is too bad to manage this job. I´ll enjoy the whole CD and my new copy of White Out 2000 tomorrow and you will get some more notes in the next days. Björn np: 'Laufen' by Johannes Schmölling Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37939 Re: 'Laufen' by Johannes Schmölling heineu heineu Sat 12/21/2002 3 KB From: 'heineu ' Date: Sat Dec 21, 2002 1:29 pm Subject: Re: 'Laufen' by Johannes Schmölling Hello, I got also today my own copy of the new Johannes Schmoelling CD: Laufen incl. christmas wishes from Johannes and a order postcard from 'Laufen'. Johannes signed my copy. more pictures from this, today evening on my Homepage. http://www.opticaldream.de Cheers heiko - Mr. Optical --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'bjoernsip ' wrote: > Got my 'Laufen'-CD today with personal christmas-wishings from > Johannes. > > Very interesting, especially for runners like me. > > It includes some new music by Johannes and 'kneeplay no. 9' > from 'wuivend riet'. > > A problem for some of you may be the german language. Maybe someone > in this list can translate the conversations. I think my english is > too bad to manage this job. > > I´ll enjoy the whole CD and my new copy of White Out 2000 tomorrow > and you will get some more notes in the next days. > > Björn > > np: 'Laufen' by Johannes Schmölling From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Sat Dec 21, 2002 1:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 1620 as anyone in the U.S. received their copy in the mail yet? Yes, I ordered about a month ago and about 2.5 weeks later the little package showed up. It was pretty fast for me. DPH From: Jonathan Holt Date: Sat Dec 21, 2002 5:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies with men's names Like Mr. Vertical, I saw your name in the 'from' field - I guess we both get our posts in email form(?) BTW Merry Christmas (if that's your thing) and Happy Everything Else to all those on the list :-) --- Adele Outland wrote: > But you see, I sign my name as Dell which most > people took to mean a man's > name even though that would ususually be with only > one L. My fears were > unjustified, however. The denizens of both lists > have been very welcoming > and accepting. Actually, I'm curious to know how you > found out my real name, > but I guess it's in the sign up list somewhere. > 8-Dell > > > As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. > > > > > > >From: Jonathan Holt > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies/girls > and the uncertain > >Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:21:14 -0500 (EST) > > > >Thanks, Adele and every one else for a very > >interesting debate. > > > >BTW I would have thought that having 'Adele' in > your > >mail name would be a dead giveaway that you were a > >girl/lady/woman! > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 3 months > FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= > > http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_eliminateviruse\ s_3mf > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: 'heineu ' Date: Sat Dec 21, 2002 7:46 pm Subject: 'Laufen' Pictures at my homepage: http://www.opticaldream.de here you found cover pictures and tracklist. enjoy it. Cheers heiko - Mr. Optical From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 1:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Looking for Suggestions... >04: Klaus Schulze - X By the way, don't get the separate CDs version, as the original double CD version is still available. The only difference is that the separate cds version is just much more expensive than the double cd. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37944 RE : [tadream] Re: Looking for Suggestions... Fred Yargui fredyargui Sun 12/22/2002 3 KB From: 'Fred Yargui' Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 9:26 am Subject: RE : [tadream] Re: Looking for Suggestions... I'm selling this item by the way ;o) http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fred_y/cd2sell/2b0da804.html The whole list of items I sell is at : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fred_y/cd2sell Please contact me offlist if interested. Merry Xmas to everybodreamers ;o) Fred > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavojobim@s...] > Envoyé : dimanche 22 décembre 2002 02:01 > À : tadream@yahoogroups.com > Objet : Re: [tadream] Re: Looking for Suggestions... > > > > >04: Klaus Schulze - X > > By the way, don't get the separate CDs version, as the > original double CD version is still available. The only > difference is that the separate cds version is just much more > expensive than the double cd. > > > From: Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 10:41 am Subject: Happy Holidays Hello all, the other Heiko says also: MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR to all Tangerine Dream Fan`s all over the world. And I hope, that I can see many TD Fan`s next year in London. cheers heiko - Mr. Optical www.tribute-to-ashra.de www.opticaldream.de FREE ASHRA NEWSLETTER subcribe here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 10:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Happy Holidays Same from me.... May peace reign (over xmas at least), and goodwill to all at TAdream! Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 10:41 AM Subject: [tadream] Happy Holidays > Hello all, > > the other Heiko says also: > > MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR > to all Tangerine Dream Fan`s all over the world. > > And I hope, that I can see many TD Fan`s next year in London. > > cheers > heiko - Mr. Optical > www.tribute-to-ashra.de > www.opticaldream.de > > FREE ASHRA NEWSLETTER subcribe here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------- > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 10:54 am Subject: Season's Greetings to one and All I'd like to wish everyone on the TD list a happy Christmas and the opportunity to listen to plenty of our favourite band. From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 3:33 pm Subject: Season's Greetings Hi all, To join the throng of happy greetings (now that I have sobered up from our office party on Thursday): Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Counting down to Feb 15th now. Hope to meet as many of you as poss.! BTF Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37962 Re: Season's Greetings Debra Wilson goatsong99 Wed 12/25/2002 4 KB From: 'tmaxlo ' Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 5:01 pm Subject: Re: TD references in unexpected places I have a small bottle of nail varnish.... ...oh it's not 'cos my brain halves are the wrong way around or something. The colour name, ofcourse, is Tangerine Dream. No.23 by Rimmel. A bit too pink for my liking.... From: René Brenner Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 6:51 pm Subject: Pete Namlook on Radioeins Pete Namlook (FAX, Dark Side of the Moog) is live on Radio Eins on 1st January 2003. Would it be possible for someone near Berlin to record this show for me? It's only a 1-hour show. Cheers and Merry Xmas to all of you! - Rene From: David Butler Date: Mon Dec 23, 2002 5:35 pm Subject: Mary Xmas Now I know what you're thinking, he misspelled 'merry'. Actually, I didn't, I was thinking of this hooker I used to know...anyway, happy christmas to everyone and I hope that the new year brings peace and serenity to us all....David __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: 'Gary Jenkins ' Date: Mon Dec 23, 2002 6:29 pm Subject: Season's Greetings May I wish all fellow TD fans A merry Christmas and a Peaceful New Year,it seems the older I get the quicker it comes around at this rate Feb 15 will be here before I know it LOL. Cheers Gary NP. Xmas songs, perhaps TD should release a Xmas single next year:) From: 'fozziebear' Date: Mon Dec 23, 2002 6:59 pm Subject: Namlook on Radio Eins Rene said 'Pete Namlook (FAX, Dark Side of the Moog) is live on Radio Eins on 1st January 2003. Would it be possible for someone near Berlin to record this show for me? It's only a 1-hour show.' If anyone does record the show could they please let me know. A friend of mine really likes Namlook. Thanks Cheers and Merry Xmas to all of you! David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 12:00 am Subject: OT: My album for sale Hello folks! I'm very happy to announce that my first album, Round Mi, is OUT! It's actually not the first album, but the first one I felt it could be released and worked hard on the music. And it happened! You can email the label, Som Interior (http://www.rockprogressivo.com.br/sominterior/eng.htm, renaiss@c...) for info on purchase and everything. The music in this album is influenced mainly by Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze and Philip Glass but with a good dose of originality, as I see it. I will soon begin to work on my website, now that I finally have the time for it. I've also been doing a lot of sound research, rehearsals, composing and brainstorming for the next album... For those who're interested I'll be happy to send cover scans, detailed tracklist, more detailed info, even little sound samples, while the site doesn't exist. I hope you'll be interested in this work and, of course, buy it! best regards, happy holidays et cetera, GJ Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38021 test ignore Micke Stark Runsten micke_stark Mon 12/30/2002 2 KB From: 'Colin Jouxson ' Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 5:11 pm Subject: Merry Xmas I would like to wish all fellow TD fans a very merry xmas and a happy new year,roll on London 15,02,03. Heres to the GLENFIDDICH! HIC! Cheers&best regards CJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37977 Re: Merry Xmas Debra Wilson goatsong99 Fri 12/27/2002 3 KB From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 5:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies with men's names WOW! No! I didn't. Big DUH here, lol. Thanks. 8-Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: 'John Vertical' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: attention ladies with men's names >Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:19:20 +0200 > > >Actually, I'm curious to know how you found out my real name, > >but I guess it's in the sign up list somewhere. 8-Dell > > >The 'From' field in your messages says very plainly 'Adele Outland'... ever >noticed this? > >John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU\ = http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmorespam_3m\ f From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 1:59 pm Subject: OT: Round Mi again Hello everyone, just to let anyone interested know that I've got some copies of the album for myself and if you want, you can buy it directly from me. that's it best wishes and all that stuff, GJ np. Solaris 1990 Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@s... From: 'Piotr Millennium 3' Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 12:31 pm Subject: Merry Christmas Zdrowych i Weso³ych ¦wi±t Bo¿ego Narodzenia oraz Szczê¶liwego Nowego Roku Frohe Weihnachten und ein gutes Neues Jahr Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year Meilleurs Voeux pour la Nouvelle Année Felices Navidades y Próspero Ano Nuevo Buon Natale e FeliceAnno Nuovo Prettige Kerstdagen en een Gelukkig Nieuwjaar Pozdrawiam Piotr S. 'Millennium' http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ From: 'duncan mckee' Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 10:59 pm Subject: merry xmas Dear friends, hope you all have a great xmas Yours Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk www.tangerine-dream.co.uk MSN Messenger dmckee20@h... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Brad Kuhn ' Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 5:01 am Subject: Looking for Tangerine Tree 9-16 Anyone have volumes 9-16 of Tangerine Tree that they can send my way? I can do a B&P trade, or if you're into progressive rock I can send you my trade list. Many thanks! B From: 'Brad Kuhn ' Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 4:59 am Subject: WO: Tangerine Tree Vols 4-8 Merry Christmas to all. I recently received volumes 4-8 (thanks Andrew!) and want to pass this along to whomever doesn't have it yet. I'm blown away by the overall quality of this project - the sound is A+ on these, and the artwork is fantastic. Just drop me your address (I also have 1-3 on the way, so if you need those also, let me know). Later- B From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 3:58 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Season's Greetings Merry Christmas, Happy New years, and all that good stuff! :-D Hope everyone has a fun, and safe holiday! Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: billythefish01 [mailto:mudspanker@y...] Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 7:33 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Season's Greetings Hi all, To join the throng of happy greetings (now that I have sobered up from our office party on Thursday): Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Counting down to Feb 15th now. Hope to meet as many of you as poss.! BTF ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Dec 25, 2002 12:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Merry Christmas Piotr Millennium 3 wrote: > > Zdrowych i Weso³ych ¦wi±t Bo¿ego Narodzenia oraz Szczê¶liwego Nowego Roku You can say that in Portuguese too: Feliz Natal e Próspero Ano Novo. On a side note, yesterday I was listening to the radio, and on a direct from the municipal market the reporter asked: - What is the best selling product today? - Tangerines! Season's greetings. Antonio Nunes From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Dec 25, 2002 10:58 pm Subject: Merry Christmas I just wanted to take a moment and wish all here a luminous holiday season. May your upcoming year be filled with love and light. Peace Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Wed Dec 25, 2002 11:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Merry Christmas ----- Original Message ----- From: To: > I just wanted to take a moment and wish all here a luminous holiday season. > May your upcoming year be filled with love and light. > Peace > Poly =O) ............Luminous holiday.................are you on acid or something....... Jan From: tadreaming@c... Date: Thu Dec 26, 2002 4:35 am Subject: Info needed on Classic Tree, please Hello, Could someone on the list give info on the Classic Tree list? I need to see the data base of the people participating, so I can contact my leaves. Thank you, Martyn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37967 Re: Info needed on Classic Tree, please John Vertical omegatransfinito Thu 12/26/2002 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Dec 26, 2002 10:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Info needed on Classic Tree, please >Hello, > >Could someone on the list give info on the Classic Tree list? I need to >see >the data base of the people participating, so I can contact my leaves. > >Thank you, > >Martyn http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database You've been assigned 2 leaves: Martin McKee (janiner@n...) and Dan Eberly (DanEberly@a...) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=74\ 74&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf From: DawnsGuy01@a... Date: Thu Dec 26, 2002 10:56 am Subject: New member, trees and stuff Hi all, New member here, lost at the Mysterious semblance at the strand of nightmares, it seems. I collect everything official I can lay my hands on but I am trying to work out what the trees and leaves things are about. Is this some strange phenomenon I am missing out on? Any info will be gratefully received. Derek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37969 Re: New member, trees and stuff John Vertical omegatransfinito Thu 12/26/2002 4 KB 39037 Re: Astoria gig and not being there: Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 2/16/2003 2 KB 39044 Re: Astoria gig and not being there: John Vertical omegatransfinito Sun 2/16/2003 2 KB 39047 Re: Astoria gig and not being there: Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 2/16/2003 3 KB 39065 Re: Astoria gig and not being there: Philippe Gibone pgibone Mon 2/17/2003 3 KB 37970 Re: New member, trees and stuff Antonio Nunes ajogon Thu 12/26/2002 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Dec 26, 2002 1:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New member, trees and stuff >Hi all, >New member here, lost at the Mysterious semblance at the strand of >nightmares, it seems. I collect everything official I can lay my hands on >but >I am trying to work out what the trees and leaves things are about. Is this >some strange phenomenon I am missing out on? Any info will be gratefully >received. >Derek The Trees are projects intended to spread music that's not widely avaivable; usually it's unreleased live shows, but we also have a soundtrack tree going on at the moment. In general, a tree works so that a person with lots of good rare material (the 'trunk') sends copies of it to, say, 10 people, and they copy and send it onwards to more people who continue copying and sending it. The last persons in this series are the 'leaves' of the tree; the ones who send copies of stuff onwards are 'brances'. The system becomes a tree-shape-like network. The trunk is level 0; the branches who get their disks from him are level 1; the branches supplied by the primary branches are level 2; and so on... The numero uno tree is the Tangerine Tree (TT for short), led by Heiko Heersseen but many, many people are contributing to it. The purpose is to first achieve the best possible tapes of classic TD concerts; they are then handed to skilled remasterers. Each concert also gets unique artwork. The disks are being sent to hundreds of TD fans all over the world; there are about 8 levels on the tree. So far there are 15 concerts on 24 disks on the tree. The third bunch of TT material will be on its way in February. Visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database to sign up for TT3. As you can see there, there are also other trees going on. I'm pretty sure that you can still find a supplier in your area for the older TT batches, the Classic Tree (which deals with concerts that don't need any special TT treatment) or the Digital Soundtrack Tree (TD soundtracks lifted straight from the movies) if you just ask. If I've forgotten any essential information, someone please fill me in. John Vertical (oh, and sorry if there's any bad English, it's not my native language) _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39037 Re: Astoria gig and not being there: Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 2/16/2003 2 KB 39044 Re: Astoria gig and not being there: John Vertical omegatransfinito Sun 2/16/2003 2 KB 39047 Re: Astoria gig and not being there: Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 2/16/2003 3 KB 39065 Re: Astoria gig and not being there: Philippe Gibone pgibone Mon 2/17/2003 3 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Dec 26, 2002 1:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New member, trees and stuff DawnsGuy01@a... wrote: > > Hi all, > New member here, lost at the Mysterious semblance at the strand of > nightmares, it seems. I collect everything official I can lay my hands on but > I am trying to work out what the trees and leaves things are about. Is this > some strange phenomenon I am missing out on? Any info will be gratefully > received. Welcome to the list, Derek. John Vertical has answered already to your question about the trees, but let me just add a very important rule that he didn't mention: all the trees are to be conducted on a non-profit basis only. TDI is monitoring this list, and will tolerate these trees as long as there is no money involved. Please visit also http://www.tadream.net/tree/ for more details about the tree project. Antonio Nunes From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri Dec 27, 2002 5:29 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #301 for December 26, 2002 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #301 December 26, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Jonn Serrie, a defining pioneer of the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Flightpath' on the Miramar label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Timewind' by Klaus Schulze on the Caroline label. Jonn Serrie http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus02.html#dec PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Klaus Schulze Wahnfried 1883 Timewind (Caroline) Remanence Lamkhyer Lamkhyer (mPATH) Skin Mechanix First Flight The Secret Life of Angels (InfectionMusic) Glenn Adams Journey Galactic Anthems (Galactic Anthems) The Glimmer Room Lake Song Tomorrow's Tuesday (Neu Harmony) Ron Boots Ghost of a Mist (the Ghost of a Mist (Groove) Sleepwalker) 12:00 am Jonn Serrie Flightpath Flightpath (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Sky Safari Flightpath (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Muroc Flightpath (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Outreach Flightpath (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Deep Starship Flightpath (Miramar) Jonn Serrie Glyder Flightpath (Miramar) Spacecraft Thread of Continuity Earthtime Tapestry (Lektronic Soundscapes) Spacecraft Homage to Gaia Earthtime Tapestry (Lektronic Soundscapes) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on Brannan Lane. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Soundfall to the Infinite' by Zero Ohms and Brannan Lane on the Space for Music label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Irrlicht' by Klaus Schulze on the Ohr label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: 'Colin Jouxson ' Date: Fri Dec 27, 2002 5:47 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Tangerine Dream,i love you guys,you are the GREATEST of all time. I am listening to the wonderful Astrophobia,theres a motion in my jeans. TD The GREATEST. From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri Dec 27, 2002 5:53 pm Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Report for December, 2002 WDIY 88.1 FM 'EMUSIC' Top 20 report to New Age Voice for December, 2002. Shows #298 to #301; 5-December-2002 to 26-December-2002 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@f... CONTACT: billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Andy Pickford and Paul Nagle - Ramayana - Neu Harmony Glenn Adams - Galactic Anthems - Galactic Anthems Jonn Serrie - And the Stars Go With You - New World Music Jonn Serrie - Flightpath - Miramar Jonn Serrie - Planetary Chronicles Volume 1 - Miramar Jonn Serrie - Planetary Chronicles Volume 2 - Miramar Max van Richter - Resurrection - Neu Harmony Otarion Select - Creator - Neu Harmony Redshift - Halo - Distant Sun Redshift - Siren - Distant Sun Rudy Adrian and Ron Boots - Across the Silver Sky - Groove Skin Mechanix - The Secret Life of Angels - InfectionMusic Steve Roach - All Is Now - Timeroom Steve Roach - Darkest Before Dawn - Timeroom Steve Roach - Day Out of Time - Timeroom The Glimmer Room - Tomorrow's Tuesday - Neu Harmony Thought Guild - [context] - HRR Tranzit - Tranz-Rapid - Groove Under the Dome - Bellerophon - Neu Harmony Wayne Lyttle - Animusic - Animusic Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Dec 27, 2002 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. In a message dated 12/27/02 12:50:34 PM, convention24@y... writes: >Tangerine Dream,i love you guys,you are the GREATEST of all time. >I am listening to the wonderful Astrophobia,theres a motion in my >jeans. Dude, I also love TD and all, but you're scaring me a bit. --Daniel NP: Clear Vision - Deception Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37978 Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Debra Wilson goatsong99 Fri 12/27/2002 4 KB 37979 Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Gary Jenkins hyperboreauk Fri 12/27/2002 3 KB 37982 Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Debra Wilson goatsong99 Fri 12/27/2002 3 KB 37983 Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Utch Entel utch_entel Sat 12/28/2002 3 KB 37985 Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sat 12/28/2002 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Dec 27, 2002 7:33 pm Subject: re: TD the greatest >Dude, I also love TD and all, but you're scaring me a bit. experiencing a little (or perhaps big) 'Asstrophobia' are you? ;) --T np Reconstruction 6/22/79 _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_eliminateviruse\ s_3mf From: 'bduke252003 ' Date: Tue Dec 10, 2002 1:03 pm Subject: Re:' faulty' That is the lamest excuse for covering up one's flaws I've ever heard in my life. This is intentional? Then by all means, get out of the music making business because it's ridiculous. I guess TDI truly thinks we're fools. I'm SERIOUSLY getting ready to pull the plug... (kind of like the way I felt when I thought I was buying original concert recordings from certain time periods and venues (Sohomon, Livemiles) or like the 'live' tracks on I-Box.) --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > At 09:38 10.12.02, you wrote: > > > >I can confirm this now too. My CD won't skip but has this > >ticking noise as if it would skip. That is on copy 89/1000. > > > >armin > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 > >SUN Microsystems Ireland > > > >'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' > > - Woody Allen > > Dear list, > > here´s the official statement after talking to Edgar on the 'skipping'-issue: > > 'skipping' on the Melrose Years: > > we have had repeated comments and questions about a skipping sound that can > be heard on track six of CD three of the Melrose Years Box ('Cool at Heart' > on Melrose). The sound appears around 2:23 and then again at the end of the > song. After talking to Edgar Froese, we can assure you that this sound is > neither a mastering flaw nor the result of a faulty pressing, but a > deliberate effect created by a filter plugin that chops up sound bytes. If > you watch the time display on your CD-player you will see that the CD runs > through in a normal fashion when the sound appears and if you listen > closely, you will notice that the 'skipping'-sound is in sync with the > tempo of the piece. This was intentional and is no cause for alarm. You > will not need to return your disc, as teh sound effect will be found on > every one of them. > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Tue Dec 24, 2002 9:57 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Merry Xmas Merry Christmas to you too! Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Colin Jouxson [mailto:convention24@y...] Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 9:11 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Merry Xmas I would like to wish all fellow TD fans a very merry xmas and a happy new year,roll on London 15,02,03. Heres to the GLENFIDDICH! HIC! Cheers&best regards CJ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Fri Dec 27, 2002 7:02 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Yeah, that motion in the jeans bit kind of has me worried as well... O.o Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: quarlie@a... [mailto:quarlie@a...] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 10:49 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. In a message dated 12/27/02 12:50:34 PM, convention24@y... writes: >Tangerine Dream,i love you guys,you are the GREATEST of all time. >I am listening to the wonderful Astrophobia,theres a motion in my >jeans. Dude, I also love TD and all, but you're scaring me a bit. --Daniel NP: Clear Vision - Deception ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37979 Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Gary Jenkins hyperboreauk Fri 12/27/2002 3 KB 37982 Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Debra Wilson goatsong99 Fri 12/27/2002 3 KB 37983 Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Utch Entel utch_entel Sat 12/28/2002 3 KB 37985 Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sat 12/28/2002 3 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins ' Date: Fri Dec 27, 2002 7:56 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Debra Wilson' wrote: > Yeah, that motion in the jeans bit kind of has me worried as well... O.o Don't worry it's that Glenffidich talking it obviously works better than Viagra lOl Cheers Gary > > Debra Wilson > Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html > AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs > http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: quarlie@a... [mailto:quarlie@a...] > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 10:49 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. > > > In a message dated 12/27/02 12:50:34 PM, convention24@y... writes: > > >Tangerine Dream,i love you guys,you are the GREATEST of all time. > >I am listening to the wonderful Astrophobia,theres a motion in my > >jeans. > > Dude, I also love TD and all, but you're scaring me a bit. > > --Daniel > NP: Clear Vision - Deception > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37982 Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Debra Wilson goatsong99 Fri 12/27/2002 3 KB 37983 Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Utch Entel utch_entel Sat 12/28/2002 3 KB 37985 Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sat 12/28/2002 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Dec 27, 2002 10:24 pm Subject: b1tching/glitches and all/Dead comparisons/changing medium OK so lemme get this straight--we want unretouched classic concerts ' of TD released (even if there are no high frequencies left after possible baking before some kinda transfer to digital--clearly we won't b!tch about that). Problem is the assumption is that TDs tapes are gonna sound better than audience tapes eventhough chances are TDs tapes are from soundboard feeds which may reflect the exaggeration/imbalances needed to get a concert PA to sound somewhat decent in a given venue which is what's necessary in live performance, not the artifact that may be the soundboard recording. And then there are the problems with the recording media and the various work arounds/engineering feats (thanks TT's back room boys). Of course the Grateful Dead have been dealing with vault issues for sometime now and they've set up different outlets for various projects: Dicks Picks (DP) are basically two-track nearly complete show recordings released thru the Dead's mail order system that eventually see a wider release (local shops) through the big companies years later. GD's From the Vault Series are multi-track and so on and see wide release from day one (local shops). The advantage that the more current day dicks picks series has is that the band members have given up their control freak issues (Phil Lesh purportedly had some of his bass removed on the first DP release) and realize that they--the folks who created the music are hypercritical and aren't the best judges of the material. They struggle listening to thevault tapes--if they even bother-- as Edgar does with TD and can't get past what they were trying to do--even though the audience (both TDs and the Dead) think and know what they were seeing was quite wonderful. Ok, sometimes you just have a bad show for whatever reason.... It's simply not in the nature of the folks running the Dicks Picks projects (RIP Dick Latvala) to make available vault embarassments. Of course you gotta love the GD and the TD completists too--who want every thing-- warts, bath tub scenes and all. Maybe someday Edgar will, in fact, let the stash out of the bag so that we can get more of the good stuff in the meantime we get to b!tch about Soundmill Navigator (which certainly can't be seen as an encouragement for Edgar to take a chance in the future with a vault release) or about a bad edit or CD skip built into a track on the Melrose Box ad nauseum. I could b!tch about the Melrose Box, too if the thing ever arrives. Wait, I already am! Oh, btw, I see that phish is now pre-'selling' their concerts bundled as unretouched downloads over the internet in as early as 48 hours after a show--available as .SHNs and .mp3s including artwork--with different prices depending. (they've a freebie up there now) see here: http://www.livephish.com/ now if I just had broadband.... --T _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38030 Re: b1tching/glitches and all/Dead comparisons/changing medium Scott Roget1998 Tue 12/31/2002 3 KB 38034 Re: b1tching/glitches and all/Dead comparisons/changing medium Administrator dale1kay Tue 12/31/2002 4 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Fri Dec 27, 2002 10:32 pm Subject: Leaves Been away for a few days. I need all my leaves and any who sent me disk to contact me. I need to get you taken care of very soon. I will be moving (same town different house) soon. Slight auto accident over last weekend has set me back a few days as well. While I am fine, my wife is still a bit sore. I have received many disks which require sorting on my part. I just want to touch bases with all who sent me disks and any on the way. My move will be within 60 days. Dale From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Fri Dec 27, 2002 11:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Just remind me to stay away til he calms down a bit..lol. Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Gary Jenkins [mailto:quinoa@v...] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 11:57 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Yeah, that motion in the jeans bit kind of has me worried as well... O.o Don't worry it's that Glenffidich talking it obviously works better than Viagra lOl Cheers Gary Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37983 Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Utch Entel utch_entel Sat 12/28/2002 3 KB 37985 Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sat 12/28/2002 3 KB From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Sat Dec 28, 2002 4:47 am Subject: RE: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. ...you know, Debra, some guys -=never=- 'calm down'... On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:03:27 -0800, Debra Wilson wrote: >Just remind me to stay away til he calms down a bit..lol. > >Debra Wilson >Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal >http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html >AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs >http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gary Jenkins [mailto:quinoa@v...] >Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 11:57 AM >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. > >Yeah, that motion in the jeans bit kind of has me worried as well... O.o > >Don't worry it's that Glenffidich talking it obviously works better >than Viagra lOl > >Cheers Gary > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: quarlie@a... [mailto:quarlie@a...] > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 10:49 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. > > > In a message dated 12/27/02 12:50:34 PM, convention24@y... writes: > > >Tangerine Dream,i love you guys,you are the GREATEST of all time. > >I am listening to the wonderful Astrophobia,theres a motion in my > >jeans. > > Dude, I also love TD and all, but you're scaring me a bit. > > --Daniel > NP: Clear Vision - Deception --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- The nicest thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. --Ken Olsen, founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37985 Re: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sat 12/28/2002 3 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 7:06 pm Subject: Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert I have to say that Madrigal Meridian is one of TD's best tracks! This is the theme song we play as we (Marion and I) drive into the Okefenokee Swamp each year for the Ricochet Gathering. Next year we will have 10+ EM musicians at a small ghost town hotel in the Mojave Desert (ref: Mojave Plan). So far we have confirmed: AirSculpture Free System Projekt Star Sounds Orchestra (feat. Steve Schroyder of old TD Alpha Centauri/Zeit period) Wolfram DER Spyra (Fax label) Arcane (Paul Lawler) Dave Brewer Bill Fox and possibly other guests.... The price so far is a bit steep - about $400 for 4 days. If I see a lot of interest in fans getting to the Mojave desert in California this April, then maybe we can make it really cheaper for all the fans. Please contact me ASAP if you are interested and maybe I can work a great deal. No, this is not Burning Man - but the ultimate EM experience you can have in the US! VicRek www.ricochetdream.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:15 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Random > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 12/18/2002 6:51:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, > mudspanker@y... writes: > > > > > There is a sequence on Cyclone (I forget which track - and my > copy is > > > vinyl so timings are hard to give!) where a normal sequence > suddenly > > > goes random (although the notes themselves are part of a chord - > they > > > are just played in random order). > > > > *I'm sure you're talking about that fast sequence in the middle of > Madrigal Meridian. They are played within the scale, merely jumping > octaves which is not the same thing as random composition. > > Poly > > Thank you! That is exactly the bit. They were indeed jumping octaves, > but also notes were played in random order too, sometimes several > identical notes are played consecutively, other times they are > jumping around within the chord. All the time, the octaves are > changing. > > BTF > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37986 Re: Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sat 12/28/2002 5 KB 37990 Re: Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert vic rek kyivmission Sun 12/29/2002 6 KB 37993 Re: Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert the_singing_goat@a... goatsong99 Sun 12/29/2002 2 KB 38009 Re: Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert Bill Fox ultramusicman Mon 12/30/2002 3 KB 38010 Re: Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert Debra Wilson goatsong99 Mon 12/30/2002 3 KB 38011 Re: Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert vic rek kyivmission Mon 12/30/2002 2 KB 38012 Re: Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert Debra Wilson goatsong99 Mon 12/30/2002 3 KB 38013 Re: Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert Admin dale1kay Mon 12/30/2002 3 KB 38032 Re: Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert Bill Fox ultramusicman Tue 12/31/2002 3 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Sat Dec 28, 2002 5:02 am Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. True.... lol Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Utch Entel [mailto:Utch@i...] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 8:47 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] RE: Tangerine Dream-The Greatest. ...you know, Debra, some guys -=never=- 'calm down'... On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:03:27 -0800, Debra Wilson wrote: >Just remind me to stay away til he calms down a bit..lol. > >Debra Wilson >Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal >http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html >AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs >http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Sat Dec 28, 2002 5:03 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert I live an hour from there, but have never heard of this. Of course not being free, it counts me out instantly. But it does sound fun. Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: vic rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:06 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert I have to say that Madrigal Meridian is one of TD's best tracks! This is the theme song we play as we (Marion and I) drive into the Okefenokee Swamp each year for the Ricochet Gathering. Next year we will have 10+ EM musicians at a small ghost town hotel in the Mojave Desert (ref: Mojave Plan). So far we have confirmed: AirSculpture Free System Projekt Star Sounds Orchestra (feat. Steve Schroyder of old TD Alpha Centauri/Zeit period) Wolfram DER Spyra (Fax label) Arcane (Paul Lawler) Dave Brewer Bill Fox and possibly other guests.... The price so far is a bit steep - about $400 for 4 days. If I see a lot of interest in fans getting to the Mojave desert in California this April, then maybe we can make it really cheaper for all the fans. Please contact me ASAP if you are interested and maybe I can work a great deal. No, this is not Burning Man - but the ultimate EM experience you can have in the US! VicRek www.ricochetdream.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:15 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Random > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 12/18/2002 6:51:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, > mudspanker@y... writes: > > > > > There is a sequence on Cyclone (I forget which track - and my > copy is > > > vinyl so timings are hard to give!) where a normal sequence > suddenly > > > goes random (although the notes themselves are part of a chord - > they > > > are just played in random order). > > > > *I'm sure you're talking about that fast sequence in the middle of > Madrigal Meridian. They are played within the scale, merely jumping > octaves which is not the same thing as random composition. > > Poly > > Thank you! That is exactly the bit. They were indeed jumping octaves, > but also notes were played in random order too, sometimes several > identical notes are played consecutively, other times they are > jumping around within the chord. All the time, the octaves are > changing. > > BTF > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Steven Feldman Date: Sat Dec 28, 2002 7:17 am Subject: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:03:39 -0000 'bduke252003 ' writes: >That is the lamest excuse for covering up one's flaws I've >ever heard in my life. True. I just received my set the other day, and the two skips in 'Cool at Heart' are pretty blatantly just that -- skips, not intentional sound effects. What a crock. This convinces me all the more that the glitches in SOUNDSWILL NAVELGAZER are just that: glitches. And, so far, I've only played the set once all the way through, but the only difference I've seen between the new versions and the originals is the track order and the presence of cheesy, out-of-place percussion all over the place. The bongoes have *got* to go; I thought sax was pukesville in TD's music, but this bongoes crap is the pits. :( -- Steven Feldman - - - - - - - ar402004@b... [ElectronicMusic@o..., 6/27/99] said: 'Live, Tangerine Dream is the electronic equivalent of Millie Vanilli.' DaNo [ElectronicMusic@o..., 6/27/99] rejoined: 'Finally, someone who puts it into perspective no one can deny.' Ho ho. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37989 Re: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' quarlie@a... Quarlie Sun 12/29/2002 2 KB 37994 Re: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' Utch Entel utch_entel Sun 12/29/2002 3 KB 38015 Re: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' billythefish01 billythefish01 Mon 12/30/2002 4 KB 37991 Re: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Sun 12/29/2002 2 KB 37992 Re: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' Steven Feldman losmara Sun 12/29/2002 3 KB 37995 Re: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' Andrei Stcherbatchenko windfall_123 Sun 12/29/2002 3 KB 37996 Re: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' Antonio Nunes ajogon Sun 12/29/2002 3 KB 37997 The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' Klaus Beschorner Sun 12/29/2002 4 KB 37998 Re: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Sun 12/29/2002 3 KB From: Chris Richards Date: Sat Dec 28, 2002 7:02 pm Subject: Re: Grateful Dead vault releases <> He wanted his bass solo cut from the release. He did an interview where he said something to the effect that he only played two bass solos on that particular tour, one of which was pretty good and the other wasn't, and I think his comment was something to the effect of 'I think this was the not so good one'. They also left out a number of songs from that and a number of other Dick's Picks releases. Even on the more recent ones, they've done things like cutting a guitar solo out of one song (in He's Gone on the Englishtown, NJ release). And some of the releases are compilations from multiple nights, which is ok, except that I don't think they always pick the right songs (I have some of the material that got left off the one they took from the London show from September 74...there's a FANTASTIC Seastones jam that segues into Eyes Of The World and then Wharf Rat that I wish they could have used). <> I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'bathtub scenes', but I don't mind them leaving bad performances in the vault. It's when they make cuts that strike me as rather questionable that I wonder about their decision making process. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: quarlie@a... Date: Sat Dec 28, 2002 5:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' In a message dated 12/28/02 2:18:13 AM, scfeldman@j... writes: >I just received my set the other day, and the two >skips in 'Cool at Heart' are pretty blatantly just that -- >skips, not intentional sound effects. Although I think so too, I'm having trouble coming up with a reason why the band would claim otherwise. --Daniel NP: Kyoko Fukada - How? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37994 Re: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' Utch Entel utch_entel Sun 12/29/2002 3 KB 38015 Re: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' billythefish01 billythefish01 Mon 12/30/2002 4 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Sat Dec 28, 2002 2:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert Well, it may be cheaper than you think, depending on the sleeping accomodations. More information will be posted in the upcoming weeks. Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: Debra Wilson To: Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 12:03 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert > I live an hour from there, but have never heard of this. Of course not being > free, it counts me out instantly. > But it does sound fun. > > Debra Wilson > Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html > AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs > http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: vic rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...] > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:06 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert > > > I have to say that Madrigal Meridian is one of TD's best tracks! This is the > theme song we play as we (Marion and I) drive into the Okefenokee Swamp each > year for the Ricochet Gathering. > > Next year we will have 10+ EM musicians at a small ghost town hotel in the > Mojave Desert (ref: Mojave Plan). So far we have confirmed: > > AirSculpture > Free System Projekt > Star Sounds Orchestra (feat. Steve Schroyder of old TD Alpha Centauri/Zeit > period) > Wolfram DER Spyra (Fax label) > Arcane (Paul Lawler) > Dave Brewer > Bill Fox > and possibly other guests.... > > The price so far is a bit steep - about $400 for 4 days. If I see a lot of > interest in fans getting to the Mojave desert in California this April, then > maybe we can make it really cheaper for all the fans. Please contact me > ASAP if you are interested and maybe I can work a great deal. No, this is > not Burning Man - but the ultimate EM experience you can have in the US! > > VicRek > www.ricochetdream.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:15 AM > Subject: [tadream] Re: Random > > > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > > > In a message dated 12/18/2002 6:51:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > mudspanker@y... writes: > > > > > > > There is a sequence on Cyclone (I forget which track - and my > > copy is > > > > vinyl so timings are hard to give!) where a normal sequence > > suddenly > > > > goes random (although the notes themselves are part of a chord - > > they > > > > are just played in random order). > > > > > > *I'm sure you're talking about that fast sequence in the middle of > > Madrigal Meridian. They are played within the scale, merely jumping > > octaves which is not the same thing as random composition. > > > Poly > > > > Thank you! That is exactly the bit. They were indeed jumping octaves, > > but also notes were played in random order too, sometimes several > > identical notes are played consecutively, other times they are > > jumping around within the chord. All the time, the octaves are > > changing. > > > > BTF > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 12:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' From: > Although I think so too, I'm having trouble coming up with a reason why the > band would claim otherwise. Presumably because of the huge costs of replacing the disc in every single copy. IIRC someone here mentioned that the duplication plant would have to pay for it, but I'm guessing that would not be the case if the error was made by the band. Which would kinda make sense if the sound skips, but the CD itself plays properly. Incidentally, did TDI ever get around to issuing that MP3 download for the Ruling the Waves track? And is anyone else like me still waiting for their copy of the Melrose set three weeks after ordering it? Maff From: Steven Feldman Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 4:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:07:24 EST quarlie@a... writes: >In a message dated 12/28/02 2:18:13 AM, scfeldman@j... writes: > >>I just received my set the other day, and the two skips in >>'Cool at Heart' are pretty blatantly just that -- skips, >>not intentional sound effects. > >Although I think so too, I'm having trouble coming up with >a reason why the band would claim otherwise. Because they think we'll believe anything they tell us, and because there are a lot of Edgar Apologists out there more than willing to cut them more slack than necessary. Also, remember how everybody denies THE KEEP LP ever having been mistakenly pressed in late 1983 / early 1984 (with the result that a few hundred copies wound up on record shop shelves until they were pulled two days later). ;) >--Daniel Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02445; 617-232-3876; . Robert Carty: 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107; 801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/ Nightcrawlers: 1493 Greenwood Avenue; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. SOME CURRENT E-MUSIC Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Robert Carty, Moroder -- *not* Kraftwerk! +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. FIVE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: the_singing_goat@a... Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 6:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert Sleeping.. heck, I'd drive home or go stay at a friend's after..lol. Have a few in the area. And seriously, I haven't worked in almost two years, I really don't have money for anything more then maybe $20 or $30 bucks, and that would be everything scraped up from my birthday if I got really lucky! -- Percentage Boer goats in Southern California Billy-Bob's Boers http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers /index.html > Well, it may be cheaper than you think, depending on the sleeping > accomodations. More information will be posted in the upcoming weeks. > > Vic From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 10:43 am Subject: Re: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' I don't get it... ...I've listened to Cool at Heart closely, several times, at the point in time that this 'skip' is supposed to be (2:24 thru 2:28, I presume, and then 5:50 thru 5:54), and it is definitely music, not a 'skip'. In fact, I find that the sound is quite appropriate in those two places within the song. (79/1000) I'm going to have to play my CD in the car stereo to see if it sounds like a 'skip' there, because I just can't believe that someone could mistake that for a 'skip' (even with poor stereo equipment!). ...Utch (who has pity for someone who hasn't a decent enough stereo to hear TD the way I get to...) On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:07:24 EST, quarlie@a... wrote: >In a message dated 12/28/02 2:18:13 AM, scfeldman@j... writes: > >>I just received my set the other day, and the two >>skips in 'Cool at Heart' are pretty blatantly just that -- >>skips, not intentional sound effects. > >Although I think so too, I'm having trouble coming up with a reason why the >band would claim otherwise. > >--Daniel >NP: Kyoko Fukada - How? --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- I have never let my schooling interfere with my education. --Mark Twain Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38015 Re: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' billythefish01 billythefish01 Mon 12/30/2002 4 KB From: 'Andrei Stcherbatchenko' Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 12:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' My copy of Cool at Heart does not skip, but it sounds like it does. I made a CDR copy of the disc specially for my car stereo and it also has this loud, squeaky sound. It is definitely _not_ in sync with music, and it is _louder_ than music. CD recorder software reported no errors, I tried it on two CDRW drives, so I think it was a master problem. From: 'Utch Entel' > I don't get it... ...I've listened to Cool at Heart closely, > several times, at the point in time that this 'skip' is supposed to be > (2:24 thru 2:28, I presume, and then 5:50 thru 5:54), and it is > definitely music, not a 'skip'. In fact, I find that the sound is > quite appropriate in those two places within the song. (79/1000) > > I'm going to have to play my CD in the car stereo to see if it sounds > like a 'skip' there, because I just can't believe that someone could > mistake that for a 'skip' (even with poor stereo equipment!). > > ...Utch (who has pity for someone who hasn't a decent enough stereo to > hear TD the way I get to...) Regards Andrei From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 1:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' Utch Entel wrote: > > I don't get it... ...I've listened to Cool at Heart closely, > several times, at the point in time that this 'skip' is supposed to be > (2:24 thru 2:28, I presume, and then 5:50 thru 5:54), and it is > definitely music, not a 'skip'. In fact, I find that the sound is > quite appropriate in those two places within the song. (79/1000) > > ...Utch (who has pity for someone who hasn't a decent enough stereo to > hear TD the way I get to...) I think that my stereo is decent enough (amplifier Audiolab and speakers Monitor Audio) but those 'skips' in 'Cool at Heart' sound _exactly_ like skips to me. Anyway, I understand that they may sound appropriate to you. In the same way, many people consider the ft-ft sound in 'Soundmill Navigator' an irritating noise, but for me it's a sound effect. Antonio Nunes np: Soundmill Navigator From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 2:59 pm Subject: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' >I'm going to have to play my CD in the car stereo to see if it sounds >like a 'skip' there, because I just can't believe that someone could >mistake that for a 'skip' (even with poor stereo equipment!). I got my copy of the box (signed, #7 , thx!) just before I left for Italy, and listened to it in the car. Even in that environment, when these sounds came up, I, too, was 100% sure that they were not skips. Some flamers here need their ears examined. The music goes on, with the 'clicks' on top of it, while a true CD fault that the error correction can't fix will result in a 'stuttering' of all the sound. That does not rule out that some copies of the CDs might have a scratch just in that area due to some freak coincidence, but mine are definitely ok. So Steve, Maff etc. , go find another conspiracy theory to bash around, please. If not, at least appreciate the fact that Germany's more or less shut down for the holidays until at least Jan.2. I presume this holds true for the TDI office as well, and all their suppliers they could possibly speak to. As for the wrong track, TDI'll never admit it, but some kind of f*ckup has happened on almost all their releases. They might just as well make it a running gag and marketing tool, and offer a price for the first one to find the error on a new release ;-) As for the downloadable replacement, southern Germany has another holiday on the 6th, so we are virtually shut down even longer. I'll cut them that much slack to get it up and going. Musically, in a nutshell, I thought that 'Lily' benefitted from the remixes (but that only lifted it into the 'bearable' category for me), while Melrose suffered. cheers, klaus From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 4:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' From: 'Klaus Beschorner' > So Steve, Maff etc. , go find another conspiracy theory to bash > around, please. I'd hardly call it a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories tend to be totally outrageous and lacking any proof. I consider my assumtion to be a natural progression given the track record of recent releases; concerts that weren't concerts, live tracks that weren't live, incorrect tracks on the master copies and sound glitches deliberately dubbed onto music. I have yet to hear the offending track. Perhaps it really is an intentional sound effect. The consensus here seems to be against that. > As for the wrong track, TDI'll never admit it, but some kind of > f*ckup has happened on almost all their releases. Is that not exactly the 'conspiracy theory' I just suggested??! :-) Maff From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 5:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia >Some flamers here need their ears examined. The music goes on, with >the 'clicks' on top of it, while a true CD fault that the error >correction can't fix will result in a 'stuttering' of all the >sound. ...yes, even though it might sound out-of-sync it can well still not be an error. I've not heard the click, but I, like Anthony, actually don't dislike the zih zih zih zih on SndMill. >So Steve, Maff etc. , go find another conspiracy theory to bash >around, please. > >As for the wrong track, TDI'll never admit it, but some kind of >f*ckup has happened on almost all their releases. They might just >as well make it a running gag and marketing tool, and offer a price >for the first one to find the error on a new release ;-) Some of you probably believe that there are discussions of the following sort going on in the TDI department... --- Martin: 'Hey Froeses, I have some bad news from your fan list...--snip--' Edgar: 'Oh crap! You mean that the customers did realize after all that Ruling the Waves was just a reworking of Ivory Town?' Jerome: 'Don't worry dad, I could toss in a pre-release mix of Quazar and let Mark add a few guitar lines.' E: 'Naah, that's too still too risky. Looks like I'm never going to get that solo album out, I've had to spend... wait a minute... sixteen or something solo tracks as collections' bonus tracks so far.' J: 'The one you rehearsed yesterday? Wouldn't they recognize the preset drumline?' E: 'No, I mean the keyboard solo piece. The one that was supposed to be on 7 Letters but Martin said that 7 Letters From Tibet would be a much more catchy name than 8 Letters From Tibet.' M: 'Yeah, yeah. But what about that Cool at Heart bug? Should I just tell them with a straight face that it was intentional, huh?' E: '...You know, that just might work, in fact...' J: 'I thought that we left the 8th letter away because we ran out of colors of the spectrum..? But, by the way, any news from the legal department about the Miramar remixes project issue?' M: 'I remember shouting something like 'What do you mean that the Dream Mixes should be enough??' to phone a few days ago. Looks like we're hitting the wall again.' E: 'Do we have to do the Classic Editions too-edited to-pay-shares maneuver thing again? I'm actually starting to run empty of blatant overdubs, believe it or not.' J: 'Abandon that - we really can't afford any more albums that will be pulled away from the market due to legal issues.' E: 'Unless we consider applying for a soundtrack project?' M: 'What's wrong with a proper album, anyway?' E: 'I just get evil vibes from them. They're too ordinary. I want to do some different concepts. What do you think about becoming a professional overdubber?' J: 'What, you mean it wasn't enough to score porn flicks under a false name?' and so on ;-) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=74\ 74&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38003 Re: paranoia Morgan Feldon feldon23 Sun 12/29/2002 2 KB 38006 Re: paranoia Falcon ppgwave2000 Sun 12/29/2002 2 KB 38018 Re: paranoia Dan Downey djambient Mon 12/30/2002 3 KB 38022 Re: paranoia/new member Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Mon 12/30/2002 4 KB 38023 Re: paranoia/new member Administrator dale1kay Mon 12/30/2002 3 KB 38024 Re: paranoia/new member Debra Wilson goatsong99 Mon 12/30/2002 3 KB 38025 Re: paranoia/new member Administrator dale1kay Mon 12/30/2002 4 KB 38026 Re: paranoia/new member Debra Wilson goatsong99 Tue 12/31/2002 5 KB 38004 Re: paranoia Admin dale1kay Sun 12/29/2002 6 KB From: 'Glynn Naughton ' Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 5:10 pm Subject: Hi-fi (was: The Skips in 'Cool At Heart') >I'm going to have to play my CD in the car stereo to see if it sounds >like a 'skip' there, because I just can't believe that someone could >mistake that for a 'skip' (even with poor stereo equipment!). >...Utch (who has pity for someone who hasn't a decent enough stereo to >hear TD the way I get to...) The most important parts of any hi-fi setup are the bits stuck on either side of your head, not the scrap metal plugged into the wall. I'll take my ears and my cheap plastic boom box (difficult to find room for a big, expensive stereo in a 40 square metre apartment even if I wanted one) over anybody else's and their overpriced Technics (or whatever) crap anyday :-) Glynn From: Liondream@a... Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 6:43 pm Subject: Re: sleeping I don't know your situation or inclination, but perhaps if you were to say, let a few people crash at your place, Vic might cut you a deal and let you attend for free or something. Or... maybe if some people crashed at your place they might be willing to chip something in to help cover your costs. just a thought and perhaps something worth pursuing... though I can't speak for Vic and I don't know whether an arrangement like this would be something that he would consider. In a message dated 12/29/2002 6:12:43 AM Central Standard Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:18:22 +0000 > From: the_singing_goat@a... > Subject: Re: Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert > > Sleeping.. heck, I'd drive home or go stay at a friend's after..lol. Have a > few > in the area. > And seriously, I haven't worked in almost two years, I really don't have > money > for anything more then maybe $20 or $30 bucks, and that would be everything > scraped up from my birthday if I got really lucky! > > -- > Percentage Boer goats in Southern > California > Billy-Bob's Boers > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers > /index.html > > Well, it may be cheaper than you think, depending on the sleeping > > accomodations. More information will be posted in the upcoming weeks. > > > > Vic > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38002 Re: sleeping Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 12/29/2002 4 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 6:53 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: sleeping lol my parents flip out if there is anyone besides my best friend here, with or without notice. So that's really not an option.. aside from the fact that there wouldn't be room for more then one or two anyways...lol. Either way, I've never seen anyone play live before, so I certainly won't keel over from missing this... :-P Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...] Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 10:44 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: sleeping I don't know your situation or inclination, but perhaps if you were to say, let a few people crash at your place, Vic might cut you a deal and let you attend for free or something. Or... maybe if some people crashed at your place they might be willing to chip something in to help cover your costs. just a thought and perhaps something worth pursuing... though I can't speak for Vic and I don't know whether an arrangement like this would be something that he would consider. In a message dated 12/29/2002 6:12:43 AM Central Standard Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:18:22 +0000 > From: the_singing_goat@a... > Subject: Re: Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert > > Sleeping.. heck, I'd drive home or go stay at a friend's after..lol. Have a > few > in the area. > And seriously, I haven't worked in almost two years, I really don't have > money > for anything more then maybe $20 or $30 bucks, and that would be everything > scraped up from my birthday if I got really lucky! > > -- > Percentage Boer goats in Southern > California > Billy-Bob's Boers > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers > /index.html > > Well, it may be cheaper than you think, depending on the sleeping > > accomodations. More information will be posted in the upcoming weeks. > > > > Vic > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 6:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia >John Vertical said: > >Martin: 'Hey Froeses, I have some bad news from your fan list...--snip--' > >Edgar: 'Oh crap! You mean that the customers did realize after all that >Ruling the Waves was just a reworking of Ivory Town?' > That was hilarious. :) -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38006 Re: paranoia Falcon ppgwave2000 Sun 12/29/2002 2 KB 38018 Re: paranoia Dan Downey djambient Mon 12/30/2002 3 KB 38022 Re: paranoia/new member Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Mon 12/30/2002 4 KB 38023 Re: paranoia/new member Administrator dale1kay Mon 12/30/2002 3 KB 38024 Re: paranoia/new member Debra Wilson goatsong99 Mon 12/30/2002 3 KB 38025 Re: paranoia/new member Administrator dale1kay Mon 12/30/2002 4 KB 38026 Re: paranoia/new member Debra Wilson goatsong99 Tue 12/31/2002 5 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 7:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia Doing a bit of script writing these days John? Have you thought of who may play the parts yet? Get SS to direct it? or do it in the fashion of Lord of the Rings? ;-) Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia > >Some flamers here need their ears examined. The music goes on, with > >the 'clicks' on top of it, while a true CD fault that the error > >correction can't fix will result in a 'stuttering' of all the > >sound. > > > ...yes, even though it might sound out-of-sync it can well still not be an > error. I've not heard the click, but I, like Anthony, actually don't dislike > the zih zih zih zih on SndMill. > > > >So Steve, Maff etc. , go find another conspiracy theory to bash > >around, please. > > > >As for the wrong track, TDI'll never admit it, but some kind of > >f*ckup has happened on almost all their releases. They might just > >as well make it a running gag and marketing tool, and offer a price > >for the first one to find the error on a new release ;-) > > > Some of you probably believe that there are discussions of the following > sort going on in the TDI department... > > --- > > Martin: 'Hey Froeses, I have some bad news from your fan list...--snip--' > > Edgar: 'Oh crap! You mean that the customers did realize after all that > Ruling the Waves was just a reworking of Ivory Town?' > > Jerome: 'Don't worry dad, I could toss in a pre-release mix of Quazar and > let Mark add a few guitar lines.' > > E: 'Naah, that's too still too risky. Looks like I'm never going to > get that solo album out, I've had to spend... wait a minute... sixteen or > something solo tracks as collections' bonus tracks so far.' > > J: 'The one you rehearsed yesterday? Wouldn't they recognize the preset > drumline?' > > E: 'No, I mean the keyboard solo piece. The one that was supposed to be on 7 > Letters but Martin said that 7 Letters From Tibet would be a much more > catchy name than 8 Letters From Tibet.' > > M: 'Yeah, yeah. But what about that Cool at Heart bug? Should I just tell > them with a straight face that it was intentional, huh?' > > E: '...You know, that just might work, in fact...' > > J: 'I thought that we left the 8th letter away because we ran out of colors > of the spectrum..? But, by the way, any news from the legal department about > the Miramar remixes project issue?' > > M: 'I remember shouting something like 'What do you mean > that the Dream Mixes should be enough??' to phone a few days ago. Looks like > we're hitting the wall again.' > > E: 'Do we have to do the Classic Editions too-edited to-pay-shares maneuver > thing again? I'm actually starting to run empty of blatant overdubs, believe > it or not.' > > J: 'Abandon that - we really can't afford any more albums that will be > pulled away from the market due to legal issues.' > > E: 'Unless we consider applying for a soundtrack project?' > > M: 'What's wrong with a proper album, anyway?' > > E: 'I just get evil vibes from them. They're too ordinary. I want to do some > different concepts. What do you think about becoming a professional > overdubber?' > > J: 'What, you mean it wasn't enough to score porn flicks under a false > name?' > > and so on ;-) > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&D I=7474&SU= > http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3 mf > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Andrei Stcherbatchenko' Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 10:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' > >I'm going to have to play my CD in the car stereo to see if it sounds > >like a 'skip' there, because I just can't believe that someone could > >mistake that for a 'skip' (even with poor stereo equipment!). > > I got my copy of the box (signed, #7 , thx!) just before I left for > Italy, and listened to it in the car. Even in that environment, when > these sounds came up, I, too, was 100% sure that they were not skips. > > Some flamers here need their ears examined. The music goes on, with > the 'clicks' on top of it, while a true CD fault that the error > correction can't fix will result in a 'stuttering' of all the > sound. > Are we talking about the same issue? I suspect not all the CDs have this skipping problem. Since I am one of those flamers who dare to insist that there is some problem on CD, I took responsibility to grab the faulty snippet to a wave file and run a spectrum analyzer on it. I would share the actual music fragment, but I don't think I am allowed to do this. http://seattle.firetongue.com/coolatheart.jpg On a picture, you can clearly see a number of spikes that _cannot_ be the music, also there is also a sudden change in volume near the middle of the fragment, that sounds like skipping when you listen to it (which is exactly what it is). Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38007 Re: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' Falcon ppgwave2000 Sun 12/29/2002 2 KB 38014 Re: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' Michael A Jean mikejeanwork Mon 12/30/2002 4 KB From: Falcon Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 10:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia At 07:58 PM 12/29/2002, you wrote: > >John Vertical said: > > > >Martin: 'Hey Froeses, I have some bad news from your fan list...--snip--' > > > >Edgar: 'Oh crap! You mean that the customers did realize after all that > >Ruling the Waves was just a reworking of Ivory Town?' > > > >That was hilarious. :) > >-Morgan It sure was. ;-) Please more, something like 'Edgars private diary' :-) Ramon Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38018 Re: paranoia Dan Downey djambient Mon 12/30/2002 3 KB 38022 Re: paranoia/new member Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Mon 12/30/2002 4 KB 38023 Re: paranoia/new member Administrator dale1kay Mon 12/30/2002 3 KB 38024 Re: paranoia/new member Debra Wilson goatsong99 Mon 12/30/2002 3 KB 38025 Re: paranoia/new member Administrator dale1kay Mon 12/30/2002 4 KB 38026 Re: paranoia/new member Debra Wilson goatsong99 Tue 12/31/2002 5 KB From: Falcon Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 10:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' At 11:01 PM 12/29/2002, you wrote: >On a picture, you can clearly see a number of spikes that _cannot_ be the >music, also there is also a sudden change in volume near the middle of the >fragment, that sounds like skipping when you listen to it (which is exactly >what it is). Did you notice, that the music actually runs faster during the skips,as if you were fast forwarding the cd ? Another evidence that this is a faulty master, since the pressed cds play flawlessly. Ramon From: Steven Feldman Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 10:48 pm Subject: Yes, 'Cool at Heart' has skips in it. Deal with it. On Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:01:56 -0800 'Andrei Stcherbatchenko' writes: >[. . .] I took responsibility to grab the faulty snippet to a >wave file and run a spectrum analyzer on it. I would share the >actual music fragment, but I don't think I am allowed to do >this. > >http://seattle.firetongue.com/coolatheart.jpg > >On a picture, you can clearly see a number of spikes that >_cannot_ be the music, also there is also a sudden change in >volume near the middle of the fragment, that sounds like >skipping when you listen to it (which is exactly what it is). And yet, there will be Edgar Apologists who will maintain otherwise because of their pathological need to do so. ;) -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + 'As my wife says best, 'How many fricking TD CDs do you need? You can't possibly listen to them all!' Little does she know I do...' -- message posted to tadream by AslanFan1@a... on Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:22:54 EDT [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 2:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Debra Wilson' > I live an hour from there, but have never heard of this. Of course not being > free, it counts me out instantly. > But it does sound fun. > > Debra Wilson > -----Original Message----- > From: vic rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...] > Next year we will have 10+ EM musicians at a small ghost town hotel in the > Mojave Desert (ref: Mojave Plan). Hi Debra, If you're that close, then drive in for the day/evening and go home at night. Your costs reduce to gas and food. If you're not staying at the hotel or eating the Gathering's food, then I'm sure you can join us for free. Vic's only charging for room and board. If you can catch any of this, you won't be sorry! Cheers, Bill Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38010 Re: Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert Debra Wilson goatsong99 Mon 12/30/2002 3 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 3:47 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert OMG! That would be awsome! :-D Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html Hi Debra, If you're that close, then drive in for the day/evening and go home at night. Your costs reduce to gas and food. If you're not staying at the hotel or eating the Gathering's food, then I'm sure you can join us for free. Vic's only charging for room and board. If you can catch any of this, you won't be sorry! Cheers, Bill From: 'vic rek' Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 4:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert > If you're that close, then drive in for the day/evening and go home at night. > Your costs reduce to gas and food. If you're not staying at the hotel or eating > the Gathering's food, then I'm sure you can join us for free. Vic's only > charging for room and board. If you can catch any of this, you won't be sorry! Well, I must correct this statement that anyone can join us for free. There has to be some charge to help cover the cost of bringing at least 10 world class EM musicians together. I will post more specific details later in January and take formal reservations. The event is from April 25-29th, 2003. Vic www.ricochetdream.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38012 Re: Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert Debra Wilson goatsong99 Mon 12/30/2002 3 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 4:55 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert I figured as much, but keep us posted! Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: vic rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...] Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 8:55 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert > If you're that close, then drive in for the day/evening and go home at night. > Your costs reduce to gas and food. If you're not staying at the hotel or eating > the Gathering's food, then I'm sure you can join us for free. Vic's only > charging for room and board. If you can catch any of this, you won't be sorry! Well, I must correct this statement that anyone can join us for free. There has to be some charge to help cover the cost of bringing at least 10 world class EM musicians together. I will post more specific details later in January and take formal reservations. The event is from April 25-29th, 2003. Vic www.ricochetdream.com ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 5:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert Keep us in tune on this. I plan on attending and maybe doing a bit of playing as well. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'vic rek' To: Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert > > If you're that close, then drive in for the day/evening and go home at > night. > > Your costs reduce to gas and food. If you're not staying at the hotel or > eating > > the Gathering's food, then I'm sure you can join us for free. Vic's only > > charging for room and board. If you can catch any of this, you won't be > sorry! > > Well, I must correct this statement that anyone can join us for free. There > has to be some charge to help cover the cost of bringing at least 10 world > class EM musicians together. I will post more specific details later in > January and take formal reservations. The event is from April 25-29th, 2003. > > Vic > www.ricochetdream.com > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 11:54 am Subject: RE: [tadream] The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' Maybe someone can slow down that 5 second portion 5000% and we'll be able to hear a condensed version of the whole song 'Cool At Heart'. Sort of a hidden song within a song... Tee hee... Ok, maybe I shouldn;t be on line this early in the morning... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrei Stcherbatchenko [mailto:mobile@f...] > Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 5:02 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' > > > > >I'm going to have to play my CD in the car stereo to see if it sounds > > >like a 'skip' there, because I just can't believe that someone could > > >mistake that for a 'skip' (even with poor stereo equipment!). > > > > I got my copy of the box (signed, #7 , thx!) just before I left for > > Italy, and listened to it in the car. Even in that environment, when > > these sounds came up, I, too, was 100% sure that they were not skips. > > > > Some flamers here need their ears examined. The music goes on, with > > the 'clicks' on top of it, while a true CD fault that the error > > correction can't fix will result in a 'stuttering' of all the > > sound. > > > > Are we talking about the same issue? I suspect not all the CDs have this > skipping problem. > > Since I am one of those flamers who dare to insist that there is some > problem on CD, I took responsibility to grab the faulty snippet to a wave > file and run a spectrum analyzer on it. I would share the actual music > fragment, but I don't think I am allowed to do this. > > http://seattle.firetongue.com/coolatheart.jpg > > On a picture, you can clearly see a number of spikes that _cannot_ be the > music, also there is also a sudden change in volume near the middle of the > fragment, that sounds like skipping when you listen to it (which > is exactly > what it is). > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 1:54 pm Subject: Re: The Skips in 'Cool at Heart' My neighbour has just aquired a new hi-fi system, comprising a Mark Levinson CD player / digital pre-amp and a pair of active ATC SCM 20 ASL pro studio monitors. To get better quality, one would need to spend upwards of £20 k. Needless to say, I was around there like a shot with the Melrose set and both our conclusions are that these are definitely skips on Cool at Heart. At both points, you can clearly hear that the music fast- forwards in time with the clicks (rather than visa versa as Edgar's statement), and that the tempo does in fact break rank with the main track's tempo. There were no errors on the tracking times or visible on the disc. Whether it is intentional or not, is not something anyone can answer except Froese & Froese (and they already have said that it is). It doesn't seem too out of place at the first instance as there are already a number of high frequency synth sounds, but the second occurance takes place in the middle of the gloriously peaceful conclusion and seems very out of place. It reminds me of dozing off by the fireside (with the Glenfiddich) and then someone firing a gun through the window: a very rude awakening! TTFN, BTF --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Utch Entel' wrote: > I don't get it... ...I've listened to Cool at Heart closely, > several times, at the point in time that this 'skip' is supposed to be > (2:24 thru 2:28, I presume, and then 5:50 thru 5:54), and it is > definitely music, not a 'skip'. In fact, I find that the sound is > quite appropriate in those two places within the song. (79/1000) > > I'm going to have to play my CD in the car stereo to see if it sounds > like a 'skip' there, because I just can't believe that someone could > mistake that for a 'skip' (even with poor stereo equipment!). > > ...Utch (who has pity for someone who hasn't a decent enough stereo to > hear TD the way I get to...) > > On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:07:24 EST, quarlie@a... wrote: > > >In a message dated 12/28/02 2:18:13 AM, scfeldman@j... writes: > > > >>I just received my set the other day, and the two > >>skips in 'Cool at Heart' are pretty blatantly just that -- > >>skips, not intentional sound effects. > > > >Although I think so too, I'm having trouble coming up with a reason why the > >band would claim otherwise. > > > >--Daniel > >NP: Kyoko Fukada - How? > > > --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- > > I have never let my schooling interfere with my education. --Mark Twain From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 2:54 am Subject: New member!! Welcome to the TD group Kim!!!!! - Chris Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38017 Re: New member!! Debra Wilson goatsong99 Mon 12/30/2002 2 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 6:57 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] New member!! Welcome Kim! :-) What are we up to now, 3 girls? lol Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Chris Owen [mailto:chris@o...] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 6:55 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] New member!! Welcome to the TD group Kim!!!!! - Chris From: Dan Downey Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 7:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia I propose that Spike Jonze makes a sequel: 'Being Edgar Froese' Plot: C. Franke discovers a way to to take over EFs mind and invites all former TD members to have a turn. Hilarity ensues. This could explain it all! Of course the tough decision would be who would get to do the soundtrack? --- Falcon wrote: > At 07:58 PM 12/29/2002, you wrote: > > > >John Vertical said: > > > > > >Martin: 'Hey Froeses, I have some bad news from > your fan list...--snip--' > > > > > >Edgar: 'Oh crap! You mean that the customers did > realize after all that > > >Ruling the Waves was just a reworking of Ivory > Town?' > > > > > > >That was hilarious. :) > > > >-Morgan > > It sure was. ;-) > > Please more, something like 'Edgars private diary' > :-) > > Ramon > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.ambientissue.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38022 Re: paranoia/new member Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Mon 12/30/2002 4 KB 38023 Re: paranoia/new member Administrator dale1kay Mon 12/30/2002 3 KB 38024 Re: paranoia/new member Debra Wilson goatsong99 Mon 12/30/2002 3 KB 38025 Re: paranoia/new member Administrator dale1kay Mon 12/30/2002 4 KB 38026 Re: paranoia/new member Debra Wilson goatsong99 Tue 12/31/2002 5 KB From: David Butler Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 7:11 pm Subject: Conspiracy cont. Amazing what you can do in Photoshop or Paint now and pass off as an audio spectrum recording, did anyone check this guys ID at the door. I suspect he may be involved at some level....David >http://seattle.firetongue.com/coolatheart.jpg >On a picture, you can clearly see a number of spikes >that _cannot_ be the music, also there is also a >sudden change in volume near the middle of the >fragment, that sounds like skipping when you listen >to it (which is exactly what it is). __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38020 Re: Conspiracy cont. Administrator dale1kay Mon 12/30/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 7:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Conspiracy cont. resembles southern California fault systems, you know, the sharp uplift... ;-) rrrr r r r r me thinks something is a misssssssss.... dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'David Butler' To: Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 11:11 AM Subject: [tadream] Conspiracy cont. > Amazing what you can do in Photoshop or Paint now and > pass off as an audio spectrum recording, did anyone > check this guys ID at the door. I suspect he may be > involved at some level....David > > >http://seattle.firetongue.com/coolatheart.jpg > > >On a picture, you can clearly see a number of spikes > >that _cannot_ be the music, also there is also a > >sudden change in volume near the middle of the > >fragment, that sounds like skipping when you listen > >to it (which is exactly what it is). > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Micke Stark Runsten' Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 7:41 pm Subject: test ignore test From: Jonathan Holt Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 10:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia/new member Awesome idea. I suggest soundtrack by Britney Spears - - a 20minute hardcore techno version of 'Lucky'. I need a drink... Speaking of paranoia - how come I see lots of people welcoming new member 'Kim' but I don't see her here... are you all trying to drive me mad! Or is it Yahoo! being arse as usual?! ;-) Welcome Kim, wherever you are. --- Dan Downey wrote: > I propose that Spike Jonze makes a sequel: > > 'Being Edgar Froese' > > Plot: C. Franke discovers a way to to take over EFs > mind and invites all former TD members to have a > turn. > Hilarity ensues. > > This could explain it all! Of course the tough > decision would be who would get to do the > soundtrack? > > --- Falcon wrote: > > At 07:58 PM 12/29/2002, you wrote: > > > > > >John Vertical said: > > > > > > > >Martin: 'Hey Froeses, I have some bad news from > > your fan list...--snip--' > > > > > > > >Edgar: 'Oh crap! You mean that the customers > did > > realize after all that > > > >Ruling the Waves was just a reworking of Ivory > > Town?' > > > > > > > > > >That was hilarious. :) > > > > > >-Morgan > > > > It sure was. ;-) > > > > Please more, something like 'Edgars private diary' > > :-) > > > > Ramon > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ===== > DanD - aka DJAmbient > www.ambientissue.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38023 Re: paranoia/new member Administrator dale1kay Mon 12/30/2002 3 KB 38024 Re: paranoia/new member Debra Wilson goatsong99 Mon 12/30/2002 3 KB 38025 Re: paranoia/new member Administrator dale1kay Mon 12/30/2002 4 KB 38026 Re: paranoia/new member Debra Wilson goatsong99 Tue 12/31/2002 5 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 11:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia/new member I vote on Yahoo... based on experience >>>>>>>>>'Kim' but I don't see her here... > are you all trying to drive me mad! Or is it Yahoo! > being arse as usual?! ;-) As for the BS (Britney Spears)(hey I like this BS reference, just fits) sound track... no way... you got to use tangitize 'Light My Fire'. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jonathan Holt' To: Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia/new member > Awesome idea. I suggest soundtrack by Britney Spears - > - a 20minute hardcore techno version of 'Lucky'. I > need a drink... > Speaking of paranoia - how come I see lots of people > welcoming new member 'Kim' but I don't see her here... > are you all trying to drive me mad! Or is it Yahoo! > being arse as usual?! ;-) > > Welcome Kim, wherever you are. > > --- Dan Downey wrote: > I > propose that Spike Jonze makes a sequel: > > > > 'Being Edgar Froese' > > > > Plot: C. Franke discovers a way to to take over EFs > > mind and invites all former TD members to have a > > turn. > > Hilarity ensues. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38024 Re: paranoia/new member Debra Wilson goatsong99 Mon 12/30/2002 3 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 11:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] paranoia/new member Yahoo = always gets the blame, and rightlyfulyl deserves it 90% of the time. BS = 20 minute mix? Um.. please shoot me first! Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Administrator [mailto:admin@k...] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:09 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia/new member I vote on Yahoo... based on experience >>>>>>>>>'Kim' but I don't see her here... > are you all trying to drive me mad! Or is it Yahoo! > being arse as usual?! ;-) As for the BS (Britney Spears)(hey I like this BS reference, just fits) sound track... no way... you got to use tangitize 'Light My Fire'. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jonathan Holt' To: Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia/new member > Awesome idea. I suggest soundtrack by Britney Spears - > - a 20minute hardcore techno version of 'Lucky'. I > need a drink... > Speaking of paranoia - how come I see lots of people > welcoming new member 'Kim' but I don't see her here... > are you all trying to drive me mad! Or is it Yahoo! > being arse as usual?! ;-) > > Welcome Kim, wherever you are. From: 'Administrator' Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 11:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia/new member what .cal would you like? ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Debra Wilson' To: Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:50 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] paranoia/new member > Yahoo = always gets the blame, and rightlyfulyl deserves it 90% of the time. > BS = 20 minute mix? Um.. please shoot me first! > > Debra Wilson > Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html > AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs > http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Administrator [mailto:admin@k...] > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:09 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia/new member > > > I vote on Yahoo... > > based on experience > >>>>>>>>>'Kim' but I don't see her here... > > are you all trying to drive me mad! Or is it Yahoo! > > being arse as usual?! ;-) > > As for the BS (Britney Spears)(hey I like this BS reference, just fits) > sound track... no way... you got to use tangitize 'Light My Fire'. > > > dale > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Jonathan Holt' > To: > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:57 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia/new member > > > > Awesome idea. I suggest soundtrack by Britney Spears - > > - a 20minute hardcore techno version of 'Lucky'. I > > need a drink... > > Speaking of paranoia - how come I see lots of people > > welcoming new member 'Kim' but I don't see her here... > > are you all trying to drive me mad! Or is it Yahoo! > > being arse as usual?! ;-) > > > > Welcome Kim, wherever you are. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38026 Re: paranoia/new member Debra Wilson goatsong99 Tue 12/31/2002 5 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 12:19 am Subject: RE: [tadream] paranoia/new member One that will do the job.. I don't want to here it as they drive me to the hospital...lol. Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Administrator [mailto:admin@k...] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:59 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia/new member what .cal would you like? ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Debra Wilson' To: Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:50 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] paranoia/new member > Yahoo = always gets the blame, and rightlyfulyl deserves it 90% of the time. > BS = 20 minute mix? Um.. please shoot me first! > > Debra Wilson > Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html > AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs > http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Administrator [mailto:admin@k...] > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:09 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia/new member > > > I vote on Yahoo... > > based on experience > >>>>>>>>>'Kim' but I don't see her here... > > are you all trying to drive me mad! Or is it Yahoo! > > being arse as usual?! ;-) > > As for the BS (Britney Spears)(hey I like this BS reference, just fits) > sound track... no way... you got to use tangitize 'Light My Fire'. > > > dale > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Jonathan Holt' > To: > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:57 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] paranoia/new member > > > > Awesome idea. I suggest soundtrack by Britney Spears - > > - a 20minute hardcore techno version of 'Lucky'. I > > need a drink... > > Speaking of paranoia - how come I see lots of people > > welcoming new member 'Kim' but I don't see her here... > > are you all trying to drive me mad! Or is it Yahoo! > > being arse as usual?! ;-) > > > > Welcome Kim, wherever you are. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Carlos Oliveira' Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 8:55 am Subject: Happy New 2003 Em brancoHi Friends... So, my friends, raise a glass to welcome 2003 - much health and happiness in the New Year - may we long enjoy our addiction to bootlegs, with a blessing of GOD... :-) !!!!!!!!!!! Happy New Year Carlos Oliveira from Portugal caobe@n... 'Nothing can be done quickly and prudently at the same time.' Publilius Syrus (1st century B.C.), Roman writer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 11:05 am Subject: Happy New Year Gelukkig Nieuw Jaar Happy New Year, Peace and Love from the Netherlands to everyone Bert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 12:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Happy New Year Happy New year to you all!!!!!!! Paulus,d UK ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:05 AM Subject: [tadream] Happy New Year > Gelukkig Nieuw Jaar > > Happy New Year, > Peace and Love > > from the Netherlands to everyone > > Bert > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > From: 'Scott' Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 2:09 pm Subject: Re: b1tching/glitches and all/Dead comparisons/changing medium >OK so lemme get this straight--we want unretouched classic concerts ' of TD >released (even if there are no high frequencies left after possible baking >before some kinda transfer to digital--clearly we won't b!tch about that). If that's all they got, sure! >Problem is the assumption is that TDs tapes are gonna sound better than >audience tapes eventhough chances are TDs tapes are from soundboard feeds >which may reflect the exaggeration/imbalances needed to get a concert PA to >sound somewhat decent in a given venue which is what's necessary in live >performance, not the artifact that may be the soundboard recording. And >then there are the problems with the recording media and the various work >arounds/engineering feats (thanks TT's back room boys). As someone who has done live sound, I'll bet TD's soundboard tapes sound pretty darn good. The problem with SBD tapes from bands with vocals is that vocals, acoustic guitars and other quieter sounds are made louder in the mix to overcome the self-amped instruments, like electric guitars, keys, etc., so a SBD of, say, the Dead has overpowering vocals and barely audible instruments (see Ithaca, NY 5/8/77) But since all of TD's instruments (with very few exceptions)are self-amplified, the house mix I think would sound pretty good and close to a mix made deliberately for recording. Scott From: 'Pergamon' Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 3:06 pm Subject: Happy new year!!! Hi I wish all a happy new year. Thanks for all the info and discussions throughout the past year. Looking forward to a new year with lots of TT's, DT's and hopefully lots of TD. May you all have a wonderfull evening............ Regards Jan From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 4:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert ----- Original Message ----- From: 'vic rek' > > If you're that close, then drive in for the day/evening and go home at > night. > > Your costs reduce to gas and food. If you're not staying at the hotel or > eating > > the Gathering's food, then I'm sure you can join us for free. Vic's only > > charging for room and board. If you can catch any of this, you won't be > sorry! > > Well, I must correct this statement that anyone can join us for free. There > has to be some charge to help cover the cost of bringing at least 10 world > class EM musicians together. I will post more specific details later in > January and take formal reservations. The event is from April 25-29th, 2003. Oops. Sorry for making that assumption, and in public, too. But thanks for including me in the world class description. (Though I don't think of myself in those terms.) AirScuplture, SSO, Arcane, FSP, Wolfram DER Spyra, Dave Brewer; yes indeedy world class, absolutely! Just listen to their CDs and you'll hear what I mean. Me? I have no CDs. I just lucked into appearing on Okefenokee Dreams 2001 (and 2002). Cheers, Bill From: 'Pergamon' Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 4:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Bill Fox' > Oops. Sorry for making that assumption, and in public, too. But thanks for > including me in the world class description. Me? I have no CDs.> > Bill You don't have to have CD's to be a world class musician.............=O) Jan From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 4:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: b1tching/glitches and all/Dead comparisons/changing medium You might be right. It is hard to know without samples to compare. You are so right on the facts. I have to go over this each and everytime I run sound for bands. They always want a tape etc. Which means, one might need two boards, some mikes out there on stage and so forth to do that recording. I wont say it can't be done as I have done it myself, concert sound plus recording. I try very hard not to get into that area behind the 8 ball that much these days. Not to mention the pay isn't there to spend to much hand wrangling... unless it's your wife.... dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Scott' To: Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 6:09 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: b1tching/glitches and all/Dead comparisons/changing medium > >OK so lemme get this straight--we want unretouched classic concerts ' of TD > >released (even if there are no high frequencies left after possible baking > >before some kinda transfer to digital--clearly we won't b!tch about that). > If that's all they got, sure! > > > >Problem is the assumption is that TDs tapes are gonna sound better than > >audience tapes eventhough chances are TDs tapes are from soundboard feeds > >which may reflect the exaggeration/imbalances needed to get a concert PA > to > >sound somewhat decent in a given venue which is what's necessary in live > >performance, not the artifact that may be the soundboard recording. And > >then there are the problems with the recording media and the various work > >arounds/engineering feats (thanks TT's back room boys). > > As someone who has done live sound, I'll bet TD's soundboard tapes sound > pretty darn good. The problem with SBD tapes from bands with vocals is that > vocals, acoustic guitars and other quieter sounds are made louder in the mix > to overcome the self-amped instruments, like electric guitars, keys, etc., > so a SBD of, say, the Dead has overpowering vocals and barely audible > instruments (see Ithaca, NY 5/8/77) But since all of TD's instruments (with > very few exceptions)are self-amplified, the house mix I think would sound > pretty good and close to a mix made deliberately for recording. > > Scott From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 4:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert no but any income in helps buy more stuff.... hehehe rrrr more stuff.... yea get more stufffff.....rrrrr ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Pergamon' To: Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering 2003 in the Mojave Desert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Bill Fox' > > Oops. Sorry for making that assumption, and in public, too. But thanks > for > > including me in the world class description. Me? I have no CDs.> > > Bill > > You don't have to have CD's to be a world class musician.............=O) > > Jan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Marion Horrod Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 9:32 pm Subject: Seasonal Greetings Wishing you all a merry New Year - I'm just off to start getting merry! Love and Hugs Marion 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs to be ...' S. Blakemore Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38037 Re: Seasonal Greetings Administrator dale1kay Tue 12/31/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 9:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Seasonal Greetings with in reason of course Happy New years all... I am still at work right now, so I am not getting merry for a while yet... dale ..... rrrr me thinks me feels a bit of illl..... maybe a cold brew would be better than watching computer screens ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Marion Horrod' To: Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 1:32 PM Subject: [tadream] Seasonal Greetings > Wishing you all a merry New Year - I'm just off to start getting merry! > > Love and Hugs > > Marion > > 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs > to be ...' S. Blakemore > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'vic rek' Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 10:33 pm Subject: Peter Baumann - The ANTS I recall that Peter Baumann was an organist in his first band called THE ANTS. Does anyone know more about this band and if they ever released any music? Happy New Year! Vic From: 'Nigel Pennington ' Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 7:25 pm Subject: wanted: writers for krautrocknet.com Would any of you out there in cyberspace be interested in writing for http://www.krautrocknet.com ? There's no payment at this point in time but you will get CDs and CDrs passed on to you for review. The only real criteria, apart from some writing ability, will be that www.krautrocknet.com is a vehicle for promoting new artists as well as celebrating the old masters... Have a Happy Neu! Year Nigel Pennington http://www.krautrocknet.com http://w.webring.com/hub?ring=krautrock Don't reply to this email, if you are interested use the address below npennington@k... From: 'garywebb2003 ' Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 11:13 am Subject: Please help the thick I am trying to add my name to the Database as a leaf for the 1-7 set but it refuses me permission. What do you have to do to sign up for the tree? Derek From: 'vic rek' Date: Wed Jan 1, 2003 10:15 pm Subject: Cosmos Is this the Cosmos w/Carl Sagan 7 DVD set that contains music by Edgar Froese and Tangerine Dream? I was wondering if it was worth picking? > This reminds me...I just purchased Carl Sagan's 'Cosmos' miniseries on > DVD, and was delighted to hear Edgar's 'Drunken Mozart in the Desert' > during episode 3. I seem to recall excerpts from Rubycon, Maroubra > Bay and Metropolis being used in the show too. But the music was > licensed for use (Virgin Records would have seen them in court, > otherwise). Alas, None of the TD music was included on the show's > soundtrack album. Also, I heard of a new sampler that is out with a Tangerine Dream track. All I know is that it contains the word 'X Files'? in it. Anyone heard of this release? Happy New Year! Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38042 Re: Cosmos Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Thu 1/2/2003 3 KB 38043 Re: Cosmos Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Thu 1/2/2003 3 KB 38045 Re: Cosmos Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited groovekees Thu 1/2/2003 3 KB 38047 Re: Cosmos/X-Files Michael A Jean mikejeanwork Thu 1/2/2003 3 KB 38049 Re: Cosmos Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Thu 1/2/2003 4 KB 38051 Re: Cosmos Armin Theissen armin_theissen Fri 1/3/2003 4 KB 38055 Re: Cosmos Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Sat 1/4/2003 2 KB From: 'Sean Montgomery ' Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 5:24 pm Subject: Re: Cosmos --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'vic rek' wrote: > Is this the Cosmos w/Carl Sagan 7 DVD set that contains music by Edgar > Froese and Tangerine Dream? > I was wondering if it was worth picking? Yup, that's the set. And it's great...it brings back wonderful childhood memories for me. I didn't purchase it for the TD content, but rather because I watched the series when it was originally broadcast back in 1980. And, in hindsight, I think it played a fundamental role in getting me interested in electronic music. Aside from heaps of Vangelis, there was some Synergy, Tomita, Klaus Schulze, Brian Eno, Gary Numan, even Pink Floyd. It's also amazing how timely Sagan's words still are, 20 years later. Humanity remains in danger of 'destroying itself', even after the collapse of the Soviet Union (which was still The Evil Empire back when Cosmos was written). I'd also forgotten the whole segment about the destruction of the Library of Alexandria, and how it set back the progression of human knowledge by 1,000 years. Some of the show's effects are cheesy by today's standards, but Sagan's obvious enthusiasm for the material, and his shining intellect, overcome any impulse to giggle. You may find it worthwhile to order the set from Canada. Amazon.com is selling it for 130 U.S., but on Amazon.ca, it can be had for $112 cdn ($71 U.S.). Even with shipping and (possible) import duty, you'll be further ahead. From: 'Sean Montgomery ' Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 5:24 pm Subject: Re: Cosmos --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'vic rek' wrote: > Is this the Cosmos w/Carl Sagan 7 DVD set that contains music by Edgar > Froese and Tangerine Dream? > I was wondering if it was worth picking? Yup, that's the set. And it's great...it brings back wonderful childhood memories for me. I didn't purchase it for the TD content, but rather because I watched the series when it was originally broadcast back in 1980. And, in hindsight, I think it played a fundamental role in getting me interested in electronic music. Aside from heaps of Vangelis, there was some Synergy, Tomita, Klaus Schulze, Brian Eno, Gary Numan, even Pink Floyd. It's also amazing how timely Sagan's words still are, 20 years later. Humanity remains in danger of 'destroying itself', even after the collapse of the Soviet Union (which was still The Evil Empire back when Cosmos was written). I'd also forgotten the whole segment about the destruction of the Library of Alexandria, and how it set back the progression of human knowledge by 1,000 years. Some of the show's effects are cheesy by today's standards, but Sagan's obvious enthusiasm for the material, and his shining intellect, overcome any impulse to giggle. You may find it worthwhile to order the set from Canada. Amazon.com is selling it for 130 U.S., but on Amazon.ca, it can be had for $112 cdn ($71 U.S.). Even with shipping and (possible) import duty, you'll be further ahead. From: 'Tom Richmond' Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 3:22 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales III Hello everybody! Just a little reminder that I'm currently taking sign-ups for the third Dreamwatchers' Tales project. I'll take them until the end of next week (January 11) and have a tree structure out the following week. As in the past, this will be a redbook CDR tree only. Artwork available via download. Please send sign-up info (name, snail mail address, branch(with number of leaves)/leaf) to trichmond@b... Cheers! Tom ____________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you received this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and such actions may be unlawful. From: Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 11:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Cosmos At 17:15 1-1-03 -0500, you wrote: >Also, I heard of a new sampler that is out with a Tangerine Dream track. >All I know is that it contains the word 'X Files'? in it. Anyone heard of >this release? Yes. It's called 'X-Rated, the electronic files' and it's a 2-CD. It contains an excerpt of Phaedra. You can see the complete tracklisting at www.groove.nl Click on CATALOG and then on T It's listed under: Tangerine Dream & others * * * * * All the best wishes for 2003 * * * * * Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten, Kees GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music) Kees Aerts PO Box 2171 NL-8203 AD Lelystad Phone: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910 http://www.groove.nl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 5:56 pm Subject: German > English translation needed I'm looking for one or two people to translate a short peice of text (about 350 words) from German to English. The text will be part of the Tangerine Tree #3 artwork. Anyone willing to volunteer, please contact me off-list. Thanks! Maff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38050 Re: German > English translation needed Armin Theissen armin_theissen Fri 1/3/2003 3 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 11:47 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Cosmos/X-Files I heard that the Import of X-Files has an Oldfield Track (Tubular Bells mixed with the X-files theme). I haven't heard the track but would like to. MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: vic rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...] > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 5:15 PM > To: TD List > Subject: [tadream] Cosmos > > > > Also, I heard of a new sampler that is out with a Tangerine Dream track. > All I know is that it contains the word 'X Files'? in it. > Anyone heard of > this release? > > Happy New Year! > Vic > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 8:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Cosmos Cosmos- a fantastic, almost forgotten programme! Carl Sagan was my hero back then in the 80's. That album is still in my collection now on LP and, like many was the start of EM loving!!!!!!! Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 5:24 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Cosmos > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'vic rek' wrote: > > Is this the Cosmos w/Carl Sagan 7 DVD set that contains music by Edgar > > Froese and Tangerine Dream? > > I was wondering if it was worth picking? > > Yup, that's the set. And it's great...it brings back wonderful > childhood memories for me. I didn't purchase it for the TD content, > but rather because I watched the series when it was originally > broadcast back in 1980. And, in hindsight, I think it played a > fundamental role in getting me interested in electronic music. Aside > from heaps of Vangelis, there was some Synergy, Tomita, Klaus Schulze, > Brian Eno, Gary Numan, even Pink Floyd. > > It's also amazing how timely Sagan's words still are, 20 years later. > Humanity remains in danger of 'destroying itself', even after the > collapse of the Soviet Union (which was still The Evil Empire back > when Cosmos was written). I'd also forgotten the whole segment about > the destruction of the Library of Alexandria, and how it set back the > progression of human knowledge by 1,000 years. Some of the show's > effects are cheesy by today's standards, but Sagan's obvious > enthusiasm for the material, and his shining intellect, overcome any > impulse to giggle. > > You may find it worthwhile to order the set from Canada. Amazon.com > is selling it for 130 U.S., but on Amazon.ca, it can be had for $112 > cdn ($71 U.S.). Even with shipping and (possible) import duty, you'll > be further ahead. > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 9:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] German > English translation needed Hi, I volunteer to translate. Native German, living in (Northern) Ireland for 7 years, meaning that I know some sort of wee English so it is... ;-) armin Matthew Sawyer wrote: > I'm looking for one or two people to translate a short peice of text (about 350 > words) from German to English. The text will be part of the Tangerine Tree #3 > artwork. Anyone willing to volunteer, please contact me off-list. > > Thanks! > > Maff > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 9:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Cosmos Hi, do you or does anybody know what Froese/TD/Schulze tracks these are? armin 'Sean Montgomery ' wrote: > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'vic rek' wrote: > > Is this the Cosmos w/Carl Sagan 7 DVD set that contains music by Edgar > > Froese and Tangerine Dream? > > I was wondering if it was worth picking? > > Yup, that's the set. And it's great...it brings back wonderful > childhood memories for me. I didn't purchase it for the TD content, > but rather because I watched the series when it was originally > broadcast back in 1980. And, in hindsight, I think it played a > fundamental role in getting me interested in electronic music. Aside > from heaps of Vangelis, there was some Synergy, Tomita, Klaus Schulze, > Brian Eno, Gary Numan, even Pink Floyd. > > It's also amazing how timely Sagan's words still are, 20 years later. > Humanity remains in danger of 'destroying itself', even after the > collapse of the Soviet Union (which was still The Evil Empire back > when Cosmos was written). I'd also forgotten the whole segment about > the destruction of the Library of Alexandria, and how it set back the > progression of human knowledge by 1,000 years. Some of the show's > effects are cheesy by today's standards, but Sagan's obvious > enthusiasm for the material, and his shining intellect, overcome any > impulse to giggle. > > You may find it worthwhile to order the set from Canada. Amazon.com > is selling it for 130 U.S., but on Amazon.ca, it can be had for $112 > cdn ($71 U.S.). Even with shipping and (possible) import duty, you'll > be further ahead. > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38055 Re: Cosmos Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Sat 1/4/2003 2 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 3:01 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #302 for January 2, 2003 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #302 January 2, 2003. RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Brannan Lane, a rising star in the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Soundfall to the Infinite' by Zero Ohms and Brannan Lane on the Space for Music label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Irrlicht' by Klaus Schulze on the Ohr label. Brannan Lane http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jan PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Klaus Schulze Sate Ebene Irrlicht (Ohr) Erez Yaary Downfall of a Man Retrospective (none) Eppie E. Hulshof * Floating Waves (Quantum) Douglas Burkett A Comforting Void Alien Radio (Electric Insomniac) Under the Dome C-57D Bellerophon (Neu Harmony) Under the Dome Altair IV Bellerophon (Neu Harmony) Navigator Leaves on the Line Northern Consequence (Invisible Shadows) Ozone Player Ollism E (Visual Power) 12:00 am Zero Ohms and Beyond Soundfall to the Infinite Brannan Lane Space for Music) Zero Ohms and The Dream Garden Soundfall to the Infinite Brannan Lane Space for Music) Zero Ohms and Endless Soundfall to the Infinite Brannan Lane Space for Music) Zero Ohms and Land of Blue Mist Soundfall to the Infinite Brannan Lane Space for Music) Zero Ohms and Soundfall Soundfall to the Infinite Brannan Lane Space for Music) Zero Ohms and To the Infinite Soundfall to the Infinite Brannan Lane Space for Music) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Brannan Lane. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Deep Unknown' by Brannan Lane and vidnaObmana on the brannanlane.com label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Mirage' by Klaus Schulze on Island Records. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Jan 3, 2003 11:59 pm Subject: piotr cichocki film 'Tangerine Dream' anyone know what this is about? 'Tangerine Dream' - a film by Piotr Cichocki (2001) Is it about the EM wizards or a Sailing film or ??? --T _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38056 Re: piotr cichocki film 'Tangerine Dream' vic rek kyivmission Sat 1/4/2003 3 KB 38057 Re: piotr cichocki film 'Tangerine Dream' jarek@w... jerryplpl Sat 1/4/2003 3 KB 38060 piotr cichocki film 'Tangerine Dream' esculap andrzejos2000 Sat 1/4/2003 2 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sat Jan 4, 2003 2:09 pm Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for January 4, 2003 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #14 January 4, 2003. PLAYLIST: Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Craig Padilla Folding Space Folding Space and Melting Galaxies (Space for Music) Nebula Drone Moving Back to Liquid A Long Fade Into Virtual Dreams Light (Space for Music) Thought Guild Semiatic Sequence [context] (HRR) Under the Dome Solar Gravity Bellerophon (Neu Harmony) Bjorn Lynne Crystal Vista Colony (none) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Terry Oldfield Guardian Angel Turning Point (New Earth) Judith Lynne Dunlore Road to Linsvardoon Afternoon Shade (SSS) Antony De Gennaro Into Forever Legends in Stone (none) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Wayne Lytle Stick Figures Animusic (Animusic) Simon Apple On the Shoreline From the Toybox (none) IZZ I Get Lost Sliver of a Sun (Doone Records) Spock's Beard Made Alive/Overture Snow (Inside Out) Spock's Beard Stranger in a Strange Snow (Inside Out) Land Spock's Beard Long Time Suffering Snow (Inside Out) Spock's Beard Welcome to NYC Snow (Inside Out) Spock's Beard Love Beyond Words * Snow (Inside Out) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in one month on January 18. Bill =============================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: 'Sean Montgomery ' Date: Sat Jan 4, 2003 3:41 pm Subject: Re: Cosmos --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Armin Theissen wrote: > > do you or does anybody know what Froese/TD/Schulze tracks these are? I thought that question might come up. Well, I haven't had time to watch all 13 episodes, so I can't confirm if all of these songs are on the DVD release...but according to the original music cue sheets (http://www.cix.co.uk/~nleacy/rmn_faq/cosmos.txt), the following TD-related tracks were used: Episode 3 Drunken Mozart in the Desert - Froese Episode 4 A Dali-esque Sleep Fuse - Froese Episode 5 Tropic of Capricorn - Froese Epsilon in Malaysian Pale - Froese Episode 9 Maroubra Bay - Froese Timewind - Schulze Episode 10 Metropolis - Froese Episode 11 Maroubra Bay - Froese Rubycon Part One - TD From: 'vic rek' Date: Sat Jan 4, 2003 3:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] piotr cichocki film 'Tangerine Dream' This sounds interesting - where did you hear about it? ----- Original Message ----- From: tei waz To: ; Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 6:59 PM Subject: [tadream] piotr cichocki film 'Tangerine Dream' > anyone know what this is about? > > 'Tangerine Dream' - a film by Piotr Cichocki (2001) > > Is it about the EM wizards or a Sailing film or ??? > > --T > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Date: Sat Jan 4, 2003 4:04 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] piotr cichocki film 'Tangerine Dream' Wow! Please tell us a little bit more about that item. The name Piotr Cichocki is the Polish one, I'm sure. cheers Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jerry@t... mailto:jarek@w... Visit my websites at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ http://www.klausmusic.pl/ http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/ > -----Original Message----- > From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 1:00 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com; teiwazbarana@h... > Subject: [tadream] piotr cichocki film 'Tangerine Dream' > > > anyone know what this is about? > > 'Tangerine Dream' - a film by Piotr Cichocki (2001) > > Is it about the EM wizards or a Sailing film or ??? > > --T > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Gary ' Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 3:37 pm Subject: Tangerine Trees help I received an e-mail about the trees and it seems I joined too late to be included for any of the lists. I now throw myself at the feet of the group for anyone to help me play catch up with any discs that have been released. I live near Manchester in England, so if anyone can help me with any of the discs, or all of them lol, I would be grateful. Derek Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38059 Re: Tangerine Trees help Admin dale1kay Sat 1/4/2003 3 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Jan 4, 2003 6:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Trees help Check the tree database on the list homepage to see if anyone is near you. I am sure someone will be contacting you. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 7:37 AM Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Trees help > I received an e-mail about the trees and it seems I joined too late > to be included for any of the lists. I now throw myself at the feet > of the group for anyone to help me play catch up with any discs that > have been released. I live near Manchester in England, so if anyone > can help me with any of the discs, or all of them lol, I would be > grateful. > Derek > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'esculap' Date: Sat Jan 4, 2003 7:56 pm Subject: Re:piotr cichocki film 'Tangerine Dream' > From: 'tei waz' > anyone know what this is about? > 'Tangerine Dream' - a film by Piotr Cichocki (2001) > Is it about the EM wizards or a Sailing film or ??? Look there: http://www.metmusic.net/about.html The music is composed by Thomas Dowrie, not TD :-(( Dream on, Andy From: Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 2:29 am Subject: Artwork needed Hello my friends, I received the following shows in a trade, but cannot find any artwork anywhere. Is there anyone on my lists here that might have them, or know where I can get them??? Klaus Schulze - Nijmegen 21 Nov 1981 Kraftwork - Computersinfonin, Karlsruhe - 18 Oct 1997 - 2CD Mike Oldfield - Paris 12 July 1999 - 2CD Thanks Neal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38070 Re: Artwork needed jarek@w... jerryplpl Mon 1/6/2003 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 7:23 am Subject: piotr cichocki film 'Tangerine Dream' plot 'Piotr's film is a cute little short about a 12-yr. old girl who sees an ad in the local paper for sweet, juicy tangerines, tries to go buy them at the store, doesn't have enough change, is very sad, goes home, dreams all about tangerines that night, and the next day awakes to find them magically stacked up on her bed waiting for her to eat...' _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 12:49 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little contest I just noticed that my TD Webring (http://k.webring.com/hub?ring=thetangerinedrea) has had its 10.000th visitor last weekend since I created it in July 2001...horrah :-) So I thought this might be a good reason for a little surprise: the first person who gives the correct answer to my following question gets a FREE set of the new 'Tangerine Tree Vol. 3' (17 cdr's) which I just finished a couple of days ago: 'What's the title of Iris Kulterer's (aka Iris Camaa) new album?' ready, steady, go! 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ID Date Size 38064 Re: Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little contest Robert Asmus plastics67 Mon 1/6/2003 3 KB 38065 Re: Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little contest Heiko Heerssen td_freak Mon 1/6/2003 3 KB 38066 Re: Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little contest billythefish01 billythefish01 Mon 1/6/2003 3 KB 38067 Re: Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little contest Mr Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Mon 1/6/2003 3 KB 38068 Re: Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little contest Heiko Heerssen td_freak Mon 1/6/2003 4 KB 38069 Re: contest + Iris Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Mon 1/6/2003 2 KB 38385 Re: Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little contest Peter Ravn ravnnet Mon 1/20/2003 3 KB From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 12:44 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little contest And The Answer is IRIS CAMAA 'IRISPIRATION' Robert Asmus -----Original Message----- From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 7:50 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little contest I just noticed that my TD Webring (http://k.webring.com/hub?ring=thetangerinedrea) has had its 10.000th visitor last weekend since I created it in July 2001...horrah :-) So I thought this might be a good reason for a little surprise: the first person who gives the correct answer to my following question gets a FREE set of the new 'Tangerine Tree Vol. 3' (17 cdr's) which I just finished a couple of days ago: 'What's the title of Iris Kulterer's (aka Iris Camaa) new album?' ready, steady, go! Heiko ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 1:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little contest ..and we have a winner! The first one who replied to me (off-list) was Stephen M. from the UK. > I just noticed that my TD Webring > (http://k.webring.com/hub?ring=thetangerinedrea) has had its 10.000th > visitor last weekend since I created it in July 2001...horrah :-) > > So I thought this might be a good reason for a little surprise: the > first person who gives the correct answer to my following question gets > a FREE set of the new 'Tangerine Tree Vol. 3' (17 cdr's) which I just > finished a couple of days ago: > > 'What's the title of Iris Kulterer's > (aka Iris Camaa) new album?' > > ready, steady, go! > > Heiko > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38066 Re: Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little contest billythefish01 billythefish01 Mon 1/6/2003 3 KB From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 12:49 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little contest Woo hooo! --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > ..and we have a winner! The first one who replied to me (off- list) was > Stephen M. from the UK. > > > > I just noticed that my TD Webring > > (http://k.webring.com/hub?ring=thetangerinedrea) has had its 10.000th > > visitor last weekend since I created it in July 2001...horrah :-) > > > > So I thought this might be a good reason for a little surprise: the > > first person who gives the correct answer to my following question gets > > a FREE set of the new 'Tangerine Tree Vol. 3' (17 cdr's) which I just > > finished a couple of days ago: > > > > 'What's the title of Iris Kulterer's > > (aka Iris Camaa) new album?' > > > > ready, steady, go! > > > > Heiko > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Mr Paul Dryden Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 1:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little contest >CWhat was the answer?, for all us thickies out here!!!!!!!! Paulus.d ..and we have a winner! The first one who replied to me (off-list) was > Stephen M. from the UK. > > > > I just noticed that my TD Webring > > (http://k.webring.com/hub?ring=thetangerinedrea) has had its 10. 000th > > visitor last weekend since I created it in July 2001...horrah :-) > > > > So I thought this might be a good reason for a little surprise: the > > first person who gives the correct answer to my following question gets > > a FREE set of the new 'Tangerine Tree Vol. 3' (17 cdr's) which I just > > finished a couple of days ago: > > > > 'What's the title of Iris Kulterer's > > (aka Iris Camaa) new album?' > > > > ready, steady, go! > > > > Heiko > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/ terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/ terms/ > > > -- From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 1:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little contest > >CWhat was the answer?, for all us thickies out here!!!!!!!! oh my, you're right! It was 'IRISPIRATION' > > > Paulus.d > > ..and we have a winner! The first one who replied to me (off-list) was > > > Stephen M. from the UK. > > > > > > > I just noticed that my TD Webring > > > (http://k.webring.com/hub?ring=thetangerinedrea) has had its 10. > 000th > > > visitor last weekend since I created it in July 2001...horrah :-) > > > > > > So I thought this might be a good reason for a little surprise: the > > > > first person who gives the correct answer to my following question > gets > > > a FREE set of the new 'Tangerine Tree Vol. 3' (17 cdr's) which I > just > > > finished a couple of days ago: > > > > > > 'What's the title of Iris > Kulterer's > > > (aka Iris Camaa) new album?' > > > > > > ready, steady, go! > > > > > > Heiko > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/ > terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/ > terms/ > > > > > > > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Jonathan Holt Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 3:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] contest + Iris I saw the answer before I saw the question! Never mind, a week or so ago I was fortunate enough to get an email from Iris... :-) I shall treasure it. V.Happy Jonnyboy. > > 'What's the > title of Iris Kulterer's > (aka Iris Camaa) new album?' > > ready, steady, go! > > Heiko > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Date: Mon Jan 6, 2003 8:30 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Artwork needed I've got the complete artwork for Computersinfonien. Can send it by email. Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jarek@w... Visit my websites at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ http://www.klausmusic.pl/ http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/ > -----Original Message----- > From: strat95@b... [mailto:strat95@b...] > Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 3:30 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com; tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Artwork needed > > > Hello my friends, > > I received the following shows in a trade, but cannot find > any artwork anywhere. Is there anyone on my lists here that > might have them, or know where I can get them??? > > Klaus Schulze - Nijmegen 21 Nov 1981 > Kraftwork - Computersinfonin, Karlsruhe - 18 Oct 1997 - 2CD > Mike Oldfield - Paris 12 July 1999 - 2CD > > > Thanks > Neal > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: jerome Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 10:14 am Subject: [tadream] TT3 hey, joe... as i can't edit my record in the database, can you update me for the TT3 database showing that i've received my disks and that my supplier was heiko h. thanks! jerome --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39225 TT3 Morgan Feldon feldon23 Thu 2/20/2003 6 KB 39227 Re: TT3 Falcon ppgwave2000 Thu 2/20/2003 2 KB 39754 TT3 Michal Moroz mirstacja Thu 3/13/2003 2 KB From: 'duncan mckee' Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 11:23 am Subject: mars polaris mispressing and more hi all i am having to let go most of my TD collection due to unforseen problems. most of the ones i am selling are very rare to come by, EG Mars polaris misspressing Desert train Goblins club advance pressing. please feel free to email me off list for a copy of my excel file staing the minimum amount i will accept for these cds, all prices are in GBP Thanks Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk www.tangerine-dream.co.uk MSN Messenger dmckee20@h... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Gary ' Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 10:59 am Subject: Tangerine Trees Thank you to all Since I wrote in to try and catch up with the trees, I have been flooded with mail from people wanting to help me. I have had lots of offers and between many people I am hoping to catch up with them all. Once again, to all who rushed to my rescue, I thank you all from the bottom of my heart. Derek From: 'David Wakefield' Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 9:54 am Subject: Astoria Concert Hi, I am new to the forum but not to TD. In fact I was just cleaning our my wardrobe and found my concert t-shirt from 1986 that I bought at the Victoria Hall, Hanley concert. Anyway I thought I would say hello and ask a quick question. I am going to the Astoria concert and on the forum that was on the TD site someone recommended a hotel near the venue. Can someone point me to the hotel or recommend one? Ta Dave W [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'theta2.geo ' Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 12:32 pm Subject: new Johannes Schmoelling-CD! Hello! Viktoriapark-records (Johannes Schmoelling's own label) is proud to present its second release: Dirk Josczok und Johannes Schmoelling - 'Laufen' (Viktoriapark VP 02-2) 'Laufen' is a radioplay in German language, written by Dirk Josczok with sounds, music & production by Johannes Schmoelling. For detailed informations about the CD please visit our website http://www.johannesschmoelling.de For ordering details please visit our site 'CD-Shop' and/ or write an email to order@j... All the best for 2003 to you all from Johannes Schmoelling & Andreas Hedler webmaster@j... http://www.johannesschmoelling.de From: edgar-rainer.berberich@g... Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 1:04 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree Hello to all, I am a long time fan of Tangerine Dream and I have heard about Tangerine Tree. On the web I have found http://www.tadream.net/tree/ My questions are: Where can I get it ? Are the files only playable on a computer or is it playable on other equipment (CD-Playaer, ord DVE with mp3)? Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards Edgar Rainer Berberich ------------------------------------------------------------- Über das Internet versandte E-mails können leicht verfälscht oder unter fremdem Namen erstellt werden. Demzufolge müssen wir zu Ihrer und unserer Sicherheit die rechtliche Verbindlichkeit der vorstehenden Erklärungen ausschließen. Der Versand von E-mail dient somit ausschließlich dem Informationsaustausch. Due to the fact that E-mails are prone to manipulation and can be misleading as to the identity of the sender, the foregoing statements and comments shall have no legal validity. This is for your own protection as well as ours. Thus, E-mails shall be sent for information purposes only. From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 2:51 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree >From: edgar-rainer.berberich@g... > >Hello to all, > >I am a long time fan of Tangerine Dream and I have heard about Tangerine >Tree. >On the web I have found > >http://www.tadream.net/tree/ > >My questions are: > >Where can I get it ? You trade either other concert recordings or blank CDs+postage with someone else here on the list to get them. >Are the files only playable on a computer or is it playable on other >equipment (CD-Playaer, ord DVE with mp3)? The Tangerine Tree is available in 2 formats: the first is 'Redbook' which is just the technical name for an ordinary audio CD just like any music CD you would buy in the store. the second is 'SHN' which is a 'packaged' format that guarantees (through an error checking system) that your copies are identical to the original even if you have a 10th generation copy of the CDs. SHN is only playable on a computer. SHN is considered archival quality because you are immediately aware if there are any problems copying a scratched/faded SHN CD. There are several tools for converting SHN back to WAV so that ordinary audio CDs can be burned. -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'gkopuy ' Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 4:18 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree 3 Hi, I'm curious who and when will be the assignment made of the branches and leaves of the TT3 database? Is there also a seek preview of the Artwork??? From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 11:56 pm Subject: TT3 covers preview From: > I'm curious who and when will be the assignment made of the branches > and leaves of the TT3 database? A few of the main branches have received copies of TT3 (including myself, and I must say the Tree keeps getting better with each edition), and distribution should start shortly, as soon as the database is updated. > Is there also a seek preview of the Artwork??? You can take a look at a few of the covers in development here: http://tdtree.blackaxis.co.uk/preview/ Remember, they're previews, so no printing yet. Maff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38090 Re: TT3 covers preview John Vertical omegatransfinito Wed 1/8/2003 2 KB 38093 Re: TT3 covers preview Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Wed 1/8/2003 2 KB 38097 Re: TT3 covers preview John Vertical omegatransfinito Wed 1/8/2003 2 KB 38098 Re: TT3 covers preview Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Wed 1/8/2003 2 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 12:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree From: > Where can I get it ? Just to add to what Morgan said, if you're looking for copies of previous Tree releases you'll need to post a request here offering either a CDR trade or alternatively asking for someone to do a blanks and postage arrangement for you. The previous trees which have finished being distributed through the group are Tangerine Tree #1, Tangerine Tree #2, the Classic Tree and the Digital Soundtrack Collection. However, for the tree currently in operation (Tangerine Tree #3), you can sign up on the group database as a branch (which means you're willing to make copies and supply them to other people in the tree), or a leaf (you are unable to make copies). Go to the database here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database Select the TT3 database and sign up with your details. Then keep an eye on the group for TT3 announcements. Maff From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 12:34 am Subject: Classic Tree update All the main branches have had their copies for a while now and not many people have updated their status in the CT database, so I'm curious to know how the discs are spreading. I imagine everyone on Level 2 should have their copies by now. Most people on Level 3 should be sorted as well, and the two or three on Level 4 should be getting theirs soon-ish. (There has been a bit of a problem with the main Polish branch loosing their master copies, which hopefully should be fixed shortly). You can see your level here: http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bin/CTlevels.htm So, anyone having problems? Because I refuse to believe my first Tree went as smoothly as it apparently has :-). Maff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38082 Re: Classic Tree update Administrator dale1kay Wed 1/8/2003 3 KB 38083 Re: Classic Tree update Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Wed 1/8/2003 2 KB 38084 Re: Classic Tree update John Marchington johnmarch1938 Wed 1/8/2003 4 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 12:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Tree update Evil Dale is behind. I am making time this weekend to get them all out for those who have contacted me. ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Matthew Sawyer' To: Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 4:34 PM Subject: [tadream] Classic Tree update > All the main branches have had their copies for a while now and not many people > have updated their status in the CT database, so I'm curious to know how the > discs are spreading. I imagine everyone on Level 2 should have their copies by > now. Most people on Level 3 should be sorted as well, and the two or three on > Level 4 should be getting theirs soon-ish. (There has been a bit of a problem > with the main Polish branch loosing their master copies, which hopefully should > be fixed shortly). > > You can see your level here: > http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bin/CTlevels.htm > > So, anyone having problems? Because I refuse to believe my first Tree went as > smoothly as it apparently has :-). > > > Maff > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 1:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Tree update From: 'Administrator' > Evil Dale is behind. I am making time this weekend to get them all out for > those who have contacted me. I'm not trying to put any heat on the Branches btw (and my estimations on how the tree is progressing were probably a little optimistic given Christmas and New Years). Just curious to know how things are progressing. Maff From: 'John Marchington' Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 3:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Tree update I thought I had signed up for this Tree. Am I too late? I can be contacted via johnm@p... It's probably best if I'm a leaf, although I could be a branch if you want an extra one. Thanks, John Marchington ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Administrator' To: Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Tree update > Evil Dale is behind. I am making time this weekend to get them all out for > those who have contacted me. > > ;-) > > dale > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Matthew Sawyer' > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 4:34 PM > Subject: [tadream] Classic Tree update > > > > All the main branches have had their copies for a while now and not many > people > > have updated their status in the CT database, so I'm curious to know how > the > > discs are spreading. I imagine everyone on Level 2 should have their > copies by > > now. Most people on Level 3 should be sorted as well, and the two or three > on > > Level 4 should be getting theirs soon-ish. (There has been a bit of a > problem > > with the main Polish branch loosing their master copies, which hopefully > should > > be fixed shortly). > > > > You can see your level here: > > http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bin/CTlevels.htm > > > > So, anyone having problems? Because I refuse to believe my first Tree went > as > > smoothly as it apparently has :-). > > > > > > Maff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Kevin Bailey Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 3:27 am Subject: Tangerine tree????? whats that????? Hi everyone..Im am new to this list and I am 23 years old and grew up listening to TD with my dad since I was a small boy...Ive been seeing all this stuff about the tangerine tree....what is it and how do I get in on it???? Thanx much....Kevin ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38087 Re: Tangerine tree????? whats that????? Pergamon pergamondk Wed 1/8/2003 3 KB 38089 Re: Tangerine tree????? whats that????? Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Wed 1/8/2003 2 KB 38091 RE : [tadream] Tangerine tree????? whats that????? Fred Yargui fredyargui Wed 1/8/2003 2 KB 38111 RE : [tadream] Tangerine tree????? whats that????? David Wakefield bolosun Thu 1/9/2003 3 KB 38163 Re: Tangerine tree????? whats that????? Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Sat 1/11/2003 4 KB From: 'David Wakefield' Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 3:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree Morgan, sorry to but in but how do I get on the tree? I have sent an email requesting to be a leaf, but no response yet. Shall I wait or just look up the spreedsheet and email someone local off it? Ta Dave W -------Original Message------- From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 14:54:53 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Tree >From: edgar-rainer.berberich@g... > >Hello to all, > >I am a long time fan of Tangerine Dream and I have heard about Tangerine >Tree. >On the web I have found > >http://www.tadream.net/tree/ > >My questions are: > >Where can I get it ? You trade either other concert recordings or blank CDs+postage with someone else here on the list to get them. >Are the files only playable on a computer or is it playable on other >equipment (CD-Playaer, ord DVE with mp3)? The Tangerine Tree is available in 2 formats: the first is 'Redbook' which is just the technical name for an ordinary audio CD just like any music CD you would buy in the store. the second is 'SHN' which is a 'packaged' format that guarantees (through an error checking system) that your copies are identical to the original even if you have a 10th generation copy of the CDs. SHN is only playable on a computer. SHN is considered archival quality because you are immediately aware if there are any problems copying a scratched/faded SHN CD. There are several tools for converting SHN back to WAV so that ordinary audio CDs can be burned. -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 10:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine tree????? whats that????? Welcome Kevin You can visit the http://www.tadream.net/tree/default.htm where you can find info on the TT (tangerine tree). Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Kevin Bailey' To: Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:27 AM Subject: [tadream] Tangerine tree????? whats that????? > Hi everyone..Im am new to this list and I am 23 years > old and grew up listening to TD with my dad since I > was a small boy...Ive been seeing all this stuff about > the tangerine tree....what is it and how do I get in > on it???? > Thanx much....Kevin > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 10:44 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree From: 'David Wakefield' > but how do I get on the tree? I have sent an email requesting to be a leaf, > but no response I think it's time we had a regularly updated Tree FAQ's to point people towards, so I'm off to write one today. In the meantime, the best way is to go to the Tadream group database page here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database Click the TT3 database and enter your details to sign up. Maff From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 10:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine tree????? whats that????? From: 'Pergamon' > You can visit the http://www.tadream.net/tree/default.htm where you can > find info on the TT (tangerine tree). This info is considerably out of date though, mostly applying to TT1. It should give you an idea of what the Tree is though. Maff From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 10:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TT3 covers preview > > Is there also a seek preview of the Artwork??? > > >You can take a look at a few of the covers in development here: > >http://tdtree.blackaxis.co.uk/preview/ > >Remember, they're previews, so no printing yet. > > >Maff Booklets, eh? With a home printer? Will these require a bookpressing quick course or does this simply mean one-sided pages..? Volume 20 cover art looks especially great.. but is the front cover really similar to back cover of vol.7 or is it just me? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From: 'Fred Yargui' Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 11:07 am Subject: RE : [tadream] Tangerine tree????? whats that????? Hello, Kevin and Dreamers, > (...) and grew up listening to TD with my dad since I > was a small boy (...) You lucky boy ;o)) Greetings from France... Fred Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38111 RE : [tadream] Tangerine tree????? whats that????? David Wakefield bolosun Thu 1/9/2003 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 11:10 am Subject: some Classic Tree comments Okay, it shall not be silent anymore about CT... After hearing Bondy Parade on The Real Sohoman I wonder no more that it was overdubbed - such a lame effort. TT vol. 10 is lightyears ahead, so why did Edgar choose this show for Sohoman? On the other hand, I though that the first quarter (up to Ayers Majectic) was heavily overdubbed too, but apparently not? Live Improvised sounds interesting and technically much less primitive than TT volumes 2, 7, 9 or the other early shows I've heard. Some of the Mellotron passages could well be from a 76 show... The 2nd set is more experimental than the first, which has some obviously classical veins. Of Antarktis and 20th C. Serenades I find the latter better. I like this live version of Ride On A Ray more than the studio one; it also ends with a nice flute solo, reminescent of Mt. Shasta. Another reminescence was the choral intro into the over-extended version of Canyon Voices - this intro bears some resemblance to the intro of Livemiles.. Albuquerque Concert! The bits that have been released on Livemiles are not too impressive here (quite slow) though Velvet Autumn (opening track on 20thCS, 2nd movement on Livemiles) has some creepy big percussion; also, Yellowstone Park, Tyger and Smile don't really work without the vocals. There was little new or different-from-studio material on these volumes, but that little (Ride on a Ray, Scuba Scuba, piano solo and the preceding track) was OK. ...and that's it about the volumes I picked. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38162 Re: some Classic Tree comments Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Sat 1/11/2003 4 KB 38165 Re: some Classic Tree comments Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sat 1/11/2003 3 KB 38171 Re: some Classic Tree comments Admin dale1kay Sat 1/11/2003 4 KB 38172 Re: some Classic Tree comments Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sat 1/11/2003 3 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 11:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TT3 covers preview From: 'John Vertical' > Booklets, eh? With a home printer? Will these require a bookpressing quick > course or does this simply mean one-sided pages..? With a decent printer and some nice paper (glossy sheets for the front, thin card sheets for the inside) you should be able to print on both sides. It's really just an optional extra, but I think it's rather neat :-). > Volume 20 cover art looks especially great.. but is the front cover really > similar to back cover of vol.7 or is it just me? Well spotted :-). Same image, though for vol 7 I put it through a filter. I think both variations are distinctive enough on their own. Maff From: Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 3:15 pm Subject: ElektroBeats Poll 2002 hello all, the german 'ElektroBeats' Radio Show at Radio 1 broadcast today (11 pm to 01 am) the Top 20 of the year 2002. No. 2: Tangerine Dream - Inferno Cheers heiko - Mr. Optical http://ww.opticaldream.de No. 1: Boards of Canada - Geogaddi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 6:18 pm Subject: TDI guestbook Appears to be taken out of service again. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38096 Re: TDI guestbook billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 1/8/2003 2 KB 38103 Re: TDI guestbook Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Thu 1/9/2003 3 KB From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 6:21 pm Subject: Re: TDI guestbook Not surprising - there were tirades once again, some coming from new names. Just a repeat of the forum. Great shame. --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Michael Jean' wrote: > Appears to be taken out of service again. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38103 Re: TDI guestbook Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Thu 1/9/2003 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 7:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TT3 covers preview > > Booklets, eh? With a home printer? Will these require a bookpressing >quick > > course or does this simply mean one-sided pages..? > > >With a decent printer and some nice paper (glossy sheets for the front, >thin >card sheets for the inside) you should be able to print on both sides. It's >really just an optional extra, but I think it's rather neat :-). oooooo... that sounds compilkated... ;-) Well frankly, that sounds great, but I hope that the design doesn't require the 'optional' stuff if someone doesn't want them. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 7:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TT3 covers preview From: 'John Vertical' > Well frankly, that sounds great, but I hope that the design doesn't require > the 'optional' stuff if someone doesn't want them. Nope. You can have either. Maff From: 'Colin Jouxson ' Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 7:42 pm Subject: TDI Guestbook Well its gone again,i tried to warn these pathetic obnoxious creatures earlier this week that if they kept up their tirade of complete tripe,the guestbook was history,low and behold,POP its gone.The complete b#$@&*%s who have dug up this crap again should be $ %&*@# with a ragmans trumpet,i respect that this is TDI,S site and that they dont want their web space mis-used,but surely deleting these messages would be much less harder on the GENUINE TD fan than a complete shutdown,why let these B##$%@s... win. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38100 Re: TDI Guestbook Administrator dale1kay Wed 1/8/2003 3 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 10:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Guestbook Perhaps it would seem but they must do what they must. I would like to point out that it is once again, a handful who spoil for the masses. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:42 AM Subject: [tadream] TDI Guestbook > Well its gone again,i tried to warn these pathetic obnoxious > creatures earlier this week that if they kept up their tirade of > complete tripe,the guestbook was history,low and behold,POP its > gone.The complete b#$@&*%s who have dug up this crap again should be $ > %&*@# with a ragmans trumpet,i respect that this is TDI,S site and > that they dont want their web space mis-used,but surely deleting > these messages would be much less harder on the GENUINE TD fan than a > complete shutdown,why let these B##$%@s... win. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Vincent Goudreault Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 1:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1636 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:34:20 -0000 From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Subject: Classic Tree update All the main branches have had their copies for a while now and not many people have updated their status in the CT database, so I'm curious to know how the discs are spreading. I imagine everyone on Level 2 should have their copies by now. Most people on Level 3 should be sorted as well, and the two or three on Level 4 should be getting theirs soon-ish. (There has been a bit of a problem with the main Polish branch loosing their master copies, which hopefully should be fixed shortly). You can see your level here: http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bin/CTlevels.htm So, anyone having problems? Because I refuse to believe my first Tree went as smoothly as it apparently has :-). Maff Well, I am waiting to receive the CD's from Morgan, who did not contact me yet with what he wants/is acceptable in trade. I presume with the holidays and all he fell a bit behind, but if the quality is there, I am a patient guy. Of course, this forces my leaves to be patient too... By the way, TT3's art is just plain stunning, as were the ones before. If the music is on par with the cover art, the band may as well pick it up and distribute it! Regards CBVG From: 'Martin Mckee ' Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 1:41 am Subject: Tree Artwork Compliments Great Job on the TT3 Covers! ( I like the Palais du sport font!) I'd like to compliment all the artists, Maff.. and (gustavo? is it), as well for all of the tree artwork.. (favorite of mine is Paris Bataclan).. Just one question, does anyone have a 'Prefered' method of printing these jewel case inserts, strangely enough, the only program that has actually delivered acceptable results for me is Adobe PhotoDeluxe 1.0 ! I have ACDSee, which I cannot get to work properly..it will print, but the sizing is always inconsistent.. Any suggestions appreciated! Thanks, Martin M. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38106 Re: Tree Artwork Compliments John Marchington johnmarch1938 Thu 1/9/2003 4 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 2:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TDI guestbook My friend, Dexy, has a band called corporation:blend. You should go to their website www.corporationblend.com. Have a look at their guestbook. Now, Martin K has explained very well about the standards TD expects from postings on the guestbook and forum (may they rest in peace) and I do respect that. BUT CB's guestbook is my idea of a great, relaxed, anything goes atmosphere that the band gets involved in and if someone says something bad/crazy etc. they don't give a f**k! I hope one day they'll be huge. Cheers! Jonnyboy. --- 'billythefish01 ' wrote: > Not surprising - there were tirades once again, some > coming from new > names. Just a repeat of the forum. Great shame. > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Michael Jean' > > wrote: > > Appears to be taken out of service again. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: edgar-rainer.berberich@g... Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 7:34 am Subject: Antwort: [tadream] ElektroBeats Poll 2002 Hallo Heiko, sorry to say, but your link http://ww.opticaldream.de is not correct. You have only two w's but need three w's, so I think http://www.opticaldream.de works fine. Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards Edgar Rainer Berberich --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Services Dezentral / PC Server Systeme, Phone/Fax: +49 69 7447-4207/5544 GENO-Rechenzentrum Frankfurt/Main GmbH, Hahnstraße 46, 60528 Frankfurt/Main Internetmail: mailto:edgar-rainer.berberich@g... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- on 08.01.2003 16:15:49 Bitte antworten an tadream@yahoogroups.com An: Kopie: Thema: [tadream] ElektroBeats Poll 2002 hello all, the german 'ElektroBeats' Radio Show at Radio 1 broadcast today (11 pm to 01 am) the Top 20 of the year 2002. No. 2: Tangerine Dream - Inferno Cheers heiko - Mr. Optical http://ww.opticaldream.de No. 1: Boards of Canada - Geogaddi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------------------------------------------- Über das Internet versandte E-mails können leicht verfälscht oder unter fremdem Namen erstellt werden. Demzufolge müssen wir zu Ihrer und unserer Sicherheit die rechtliche Verbindlichkeit der vorstehenden Erklärungen ausschließen. Der Versand von E-mail dient somit ausschließlich dem Informationsaustausch. Due to the fact that E-mails are prone to manipulation and can be misleading as to the identity of the sender, the foregoing statements and comments shall have no legal validity. This is for your own protection as well as ours. Thus, E-mails shall be sent for information purposes only. From: edgar-rainer.berberich@g... Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 9:04 am Subject: Information / Question Hello folks, my start to be a Tangerine Dream fan was a TV-Show in Germany in the 70's. I'm not sure but I mean the title of was 'All you need ist love'. This show was a story about popular music from the 50's/60's to the present. This show was telecasted over lot of weeks. In one show there was the part of the 70's and a small story about Tangerine Dream (Cathedrale Reims) and their albums Phaedra, Rubycon, etc. Does anyone knows about this shows, maybe only German people can answer this question. Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards Edgar Rainer Berberich ------------------------------------------------------------- Über das Internet versandte E-mails können leicht verfälscht oder unter fremdem Namen erstellt werden. Demzufolge müssen wir zu Ihrer und unserer Sicherheit die rechtliche Verbindlichkeit der vorstehenden Erklärungen ausschließen. Der Versand von E-mail dient somit ausschließlich dem Informationsaustausch. Due to the fact that E-mails are prone to manipulation and can be misleading as to the identity of the sender, the foregoing statements and comments shall have no legal validity. This is for your own protection as well as ours. Thus, E-mails shall be sent for information purposes only. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38108 Re: Information / Question rtol008 rtol008 Thu 1/9/2003 4 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 9:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tree Artwork Compliments I use Paint Shop Pro 7.04 AE and providing I remember to set the Scale to 100 (percent, that is) in the Page Setup window before printing, I get superb results every time, with both the rear panel and insert artwork size always ideal when I trim to the corner markings provided. (I've only just started doing the printing for TT2 and actually forgot to check the scaling and wondered why the real panel printout for volume 9 was so small. When I checked on the Page Setup settings, I found the scaling was set to 73%. I must have been doing a printout that required size reduction. Anyway, changing that to 100% fixed the problem completely). I run the blunt side of a retractable box cutter blade across the two rear panel fold markings before doing the actual trimming and find I end up with a nice, clean fold at each end. I've been using the heavier, semi-gloss photo paper for the actual inserts. It all ends up looking really professional, and having a modern high resolution inkjet printer helps too, of course. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: [tadream] Tree Artwork Compliments > Great Job on the TT3 Covers! ( I like the Palais du sport font!) > > I'd like to compliment all the artists, Maff.. and > (gustavo? is it), as well for all of the tree artwork.. > (favorite of mine is Paris Bataclan).. > > Just one question, does anyone have a 'Prefered' method of > printing these jewel case inserts, strangely enough, the only > program that has actually delivered acceptable results > for me is Adobe PhotoDeluxe 1.0 ! > I have ACDSee, which I cannot get to work properly..it > will print, but the sizing is always inconsistent.. > > Any suggestions appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Martin M. > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: ampmusic Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 1:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1637 > Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:04:27 +0100 > From: edgar-rainer.berberich@g... > Subject: Information / Question > > Hello folks, > > my start to be a Tangerine Dream fan was a TV-Show in Germany in the 70's. > I'm not sure but I mean the title of was 'All you need ist love'. > This show was a story about popular music from the 50's/60's to the > present. > This show was telecasted over lot of weeks. > In one show there was the part of the 70's and a small story about > Tangerine Dream (Cathedrale Reims) > and their albums Phaedra, Rubycon, etc. > Does anyone knows about this shows, maybe only German people can answer > this question. > > Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards > > Edgar Rainer Berberich 'All You Need Is Love' was a TV history of pop music made in the UK by Tony Palmer. Palmer had also been responsible for filming Tangerine Dream in concert at Coventry Cathedral in 1975. The interesting point though is that when the Coventry show was broadcast on TV, all the music was stripped off and one and a half sides of 'Ricochet' overdubbed instead. It was already difficult enough for people unfamiliar with electronic instruments to understand how TD got their sounds and effects. With the wrong music used, no-one's hands moved in time with the music, the visuals didn't really sync up, and the end result was pretty confusing. It was stated around the time that the original sound tapes had been lost or damaged, but it's more likely that the original Coventry music was thought too boring and abstract for the TV audience, and the 'Ricochet' music was slightly more accessible and promoted the band's current album in a more obvious way. But when around 20 seconds of the show were included in 'All You Need Is Love', you can hear a tiny section of the original Coventry music (so it wasn't lost after all). Even within that short clip, there are 2 sound edits to make the music develop a little more quickly. If you have a video of the Coventry broadcast, and a recording of the original (much more sedate) music, try playing them together, with the TV sound turned down. Even if they don't sync up perfectly, the pace of the TV pictures (which feature effects generated by the rare EMS 'Spectron' video synthesizer) suddenly begins to make much more sense. A much more enjoyable experience. But it would probably have put the average TV viewer to sleep :-) For those who missed the 1975 cathedral concerts (errrrrr...after all it was 28 years ago) and can get to London, there are several chances to experience classic electronic music in a spectacular church setting during 2003. Go to; http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampconcerts.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38144 Re: Digest Number 1637 Pete Dandy petedandyboy01 Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB From: 'rtol008 ' Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 1:56 pm Subject: Re: Information / Question I remember seeing this series in Finnish television back in the early 80's (or earlier?) I have this TD part in video but haven't watched it for a long time. If I remember right TD's appearance was quite short. What was trange was those hysterical young girls standing in the audience, guards trying to calm them down. They showed short part of TD and then these girls, back to TD and then girls again. Like those were from the same show. Finally they showed the whole audience from the actual concert, peacefully sitting on their chairs, showing the behaviour of the real audience. Why did they mix these totally different events. Correct me if I remember wrong. -timo- --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, edgar-rainer.berberich@g... wrote: > Hello folks, > > my start to be a Tangerine Dream fan was a TV-Show in Germany in the 70's. > I'm not sure but I mean the title of was 'All you need ist love'. > This show was a story about popular music from the 50's/60's to the > present. > This show was telecasted over lot of weeks. > In one show there was the part of the 70's and a small story about > Tangerine Dream (Cathedrale Reims) > and their albums Phaedra, Rubycon, etc. > Does anyone knows about this shows, maybe only German people can answer > this question. > > > > Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards > > Edgar Rainer Berberich > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Über das Internet versandte E-mails können leicht verfälscht oder unter > fremdem Namen erstellt werden. Demzufolge müssen wir zu Ihrer und unserer > Sicherheit die rechtliche Verbindlichkeit der vorstehenden Erklärungen > ausschließen. Der Versand von E-mail dient somit ausschließlich dem > Informationsaustausch. > Due to the fact that E-mails are prone to manipulation and can be > misleading as to the identity of the sender, the foregoing statements and > comments shall have no legal validity. This is for your own protection as > well as ours. Thus, E-mails shall be sent for information purposes only. From: edgar-rainer.berberich@g... Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 2:15 pm Subject: Antwort: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1637 Thanx very much,, I remember it was from Tony Palmer with German Synchronistion. It was great. And after this series i bought my first TD album. It was RUBYCON. So is there anyone who have this on video ? 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From: 'dsserfozo ' Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 7:20 pm Subject: Help for addiction...CT and DSC Being new to this group, but not to TD (I bought Phaedra on vinyl new right after it came out, guessing I was the only 13 yr old in California with it) I need help as a leaf from a branch for the Classic Tree and Digital Soundtrack Collection. Any kind souls out there? Thanks...Dave From: 'David Wakefield' Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 11:17 am Subject: RE : [tadream] Tangerine tree????? whats that????? I started way back in the mid 70's listening to my brothers record collection. I can still remember listening to my first TD LP which was Rubycon when I was about 13 and have been hooked ever since. Dave W -------Original Message------- From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:06:55 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE : [tadream] Tangerine tree????? whats that????? Hello, Kevin and Dreamers, > (...) and grew up listening to TD with my dad since I > was a small boy (...) You lucky boy ;o)) Greetings from France... Fred ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 6:01 pm Subject: tdi no forums no guestbook... Anyone have any idea why there's a login on the frontpage of td.org if there's neither a guestbook nor forums section? Is it just for fun? or is it for ordering or possibly to get that elusive 'ruling the waves' correction or ?... --T _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38113 Re: tdi no forums no guestbook... Administrator dale1kay Thu 1/9/2003 3 KB 38116 Re: tdi no forums no guestbook... billythefish01 billythefish01 Thu 1/9/2003 4 KB 38117 Re: tdi no forums no guestbook... Administrator dale1kay Thu 1/9/2003 5 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 7:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tdi no forums no guestbook... It is remind us of our punshment. ;-) All jokes aside, I hope they will make it functional again. I don't agree with it not being monitored and moderated. I feel it needs to be. It's a business after all. Just a little note before you sign up that reflects that would be fine. If you then feel the need to go beyond that, then your post and you go off. Now where the questions and sarcasm cross, I would have to leave that to Martin or TD's office etc. It's not my judgment call. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:01 AM Subject: [tadream] tdi no forums no guestbook... > Anyone have any idea why there's a login on the frontpage of td.org if > there's neither a guestbook nor forums section? > > Is it just for fun? or is it for ordering or possibly to get that elusive > 'ruling the waves' correction or ?... > > --T > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38116 Re: tdi no forums no guestbook... billythefish01 billythefish01 Thu 1/9/2003 4 KB From: 'Fred Yargui' Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 7:50 pm Subject: Just a little DwT pics reminder Hello, Dreamers, I send again the link for the DwT III picture art by Yannick Edom : Please go to http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fred_y Best Regards, Fred Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38122 TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue coldwatercanyon tangram80 Fri 1/10/2003 4 KB 38123 Re: TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue Admin dale1kay Fri 1/10/2003 5 KB 38126 Re: TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue coldwatercanyon tangram80 Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38124 Re: TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue Synthhtnys@a... Fri 1/10/2003 4 KB 38129 Re: TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue coldwatercanyon tangram80 Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38130 Re: TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue Paul Ellis appearstovanish Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38132 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38134 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos Heiko Heerssen td_freak Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38135 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos billythefish01 billythefish01 Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB From: 'corporalcripp ' Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 7:55 pm Subject: TT3 Question I signed on to the TT3 mailing list as a leaf a while ago.How can I add the volumes I want to my listing?The shows I'd like are: vol. 18 April 9, 1977 vol. 19 Nov. 22, 1976 vol. 22 Aug. 16, 1975 vol. 23 Nov. 29, 1973 vol. 25 March31, 1977 Thanks----Bob Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38118 Re: TT3 Question Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Thu 1/9/2003 3 KB 38140 Re: TT3 Question corporalcripp corporalcripp Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 8:35 pm Subject: Re: tdi no forums no guestbook... When I signed up, there were some very strict guidelines together with resulting punishments if these were ignored. I agree with you that they should have both been moderated, but this is a lesson that TDI have to learn. Perhaps they will notice how the number of hits drops off now that they are both closed, and will take to heart how the few have deprived so many genuine fans and new- comers from genuinely interesting and informative banter. I really hope that when the resources are in place, the forum and guestbook can be reinstated. They did more good than harm and are read by a far wider audience than sites like this (brilliant though they are...) Looking forward to 15/2, BTF --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Administrator' wrote: I don't agree > with it not being monitored and moderated. I feel it needs to be. It's a > business after all. Just a little note before you sign up that reflects that > would be fine. > dale > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'tei waz' > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:01 AM > Subject: [tadream] tdi no forums no guestbook... > > > > Anyone have any idea why there's a login on the frontpage of td.org if > > there's neither a guestbook nor forums section? > > > > Is it just for fun? or is it for ordering or possibly to get that elusive > > 'ruling the waves' correction or ?... > > > > --T > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 9:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: tdi no forums no guestbook... Having hits on a web site isn't anything to brag about. I think it might be more of what people get out of it and come back. They do have that store online. Some might not have known that if they did not go to the forum. maybe.... hits... easy to get that number up just by setting up program to ping it, search engines and so forth. So that number might not be that representative of forum traffic. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:35 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: tdi no forums no guestbook... > When I signed up, there were some very strict guidelines together > with resulting punishments if these were ignored. > > I agree with you that they should have both been moderated, but this > is a lesson that TDI have to learn. Perhaps they will notice how the > number of hits drops off now that they are both closed, and will > take to heart how the few have deprived so many genuine fans and new- > comers from genuinely interesting and informative banter. > > I really hope that when the resources are in place, the forum and > guestbook can be reinstated. They did more good than harm and are > read by a far wider audience than sites like this (brilliant though > they are...) > > Looking forward to 15/2, > > BTF > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Administrator' wrote: > I don't agree > > with it not being monitored and moderated. I feel it needs to be. > It's a > > business after all. Just a little note before you sign up that > reflects that > > would be fine. > > dale > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'tei waz' > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:01 AM > > Subject: [tadream] tdi no forums no guestbook... > > > > > > > Anyone have any idea why there's a login on the frontpage of > td.org if > > > there's neither a guestbook nor forums section? > > > > > > Is it just for fun? or is it for ordering or possibly to get > that elusive > > > 'ruling the waves' correction or ?... > > > > > > --T > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 10:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TT3 Question From: > I signed on to the TT3 mailing list as a leaf a while ago.How can I > add the volumes I want to my listing?The shows I'd like are: > vol. 18 April 9, 1977 > vol. 19 Nov. 22, 1976 > vol. 22 Aug. 16, 1975 > vol. 23 Nov. 29, 1973 > vol. 25 March31, 1977 > Thanks----Bob The Tangerine Tree operates differently from the Classic Tree. For the CT you could specify which discs you wanted when you signed up as all of them were already in circulation and quite common. All the TT discs however are previously unreleased versions, so it's assumed that each member wants them all. If you only want a select few, you need to work that out in private when you first make contact with your branch. Maff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38140 Re: TT3 Question corporalcripp corporalcripp Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB From: 'michael_berling ' Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 11:53 pm Subject: [TT3] Number of SHN disks Hi folks, today I received the TT3 disks from Heiko and had a busy evening converting them to SHN. I have just set up the SHN master disks. Like on TT2, some of the Redbook cds (currently three or four) will be spread on two SHN disks to minimize the number of cds. Nevertheless it will be 10 (ten) SHN disks this time! Unfortunately there are about 80 MB of data that did not fit on the ninth disk, so there is still plenty of room on the tenth cd. If our artwork artists will succeed in finishing their work (once again great, so far!) before SHN distribution has started I will add the complete artwork to the tenth disk, so people who participate on the SHN edition of TT3 won't have to download the artwork themselves. @Maff: Maybe you can tell me whether there is a chance that you and the other artists will finish the artwork until distribution starts (whenever that will be)? Regards Michael Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38120 Re: [TT3] Number of SHN disks Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Fri 1/10/2003 5 KB 38157 Re: [TT3] Number of SHN disks Jeff Lester tdcrjeff Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB 38181 Re: [TT3] Number of SHN disks Herbert gae232 Sun 1/12/2003 4 KB 38121 Re: [TT3] Number of SHN disks Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB 38185 Re: [TT3] Number of SHN disks Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Sun 1/12/2003 3 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] [TT3] Number of SHN disks Hi Michael I had been meaning to ask Heko who was handling the SHN's this time around, so that the covers could be included. This is the current status of the TT3 covers: The main sections of the covers (front and tray) will be completed next Friday (the 17th). I'm waiting on some of the other TT3 designers to submit their work. Once the main sections for all volumes are completed, I'll upload them to the new TT cover art site and send you the links. You're then welcome to download them and include them on the SHN discs. I am also developing the covers into 'mini booklets' (basically just an extra folded sheet inside each front cover with text, tourbook info, photos etc). I plan to have these finished the following Friday (24th), maybe a little sooner. If necessary, the main sections can be included on the SHN discs without the mini-booket parts without any problems. The booklets are just neat extras. If I can get everything done in time, please include both. I'll keep you updated on what is ready. I understand there are problems getting the Tree distribution up and running right now, and it may be a few weeks before things get moving, so I don't know how much of a rush there is to get the SHN discs done. Maff Btw, can I ask if you're using EAC to rip the audio? The first batch of SHN discs for TT2 were ripped with Audiograbber at insanely high-speeds and had some major glitches. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:53 PM Subject: [tadream] [TT3] Number of SHN disks > Hi folks, > > today I received the TT3 disks from Heiko and had a busy evening > converting them to SHN. I have just set up the SHN master disks. Like > on TT2, some of the Redbook cds (currently three or four) will be > spread on two SHN disks to minimize the number of cds. Nevertheless > it will be 10 (ten) SHN disks this time! > > Unfortunately there are about 80 MB of data that did not fit on the > ninth disk, so there is still plenty of room on the tenth cd. If our > artwork artists will succeed in finishing their work (once again > great, so far!) before SHN distribution has started I will add the > complete artwork to the tenth disk, so people who participate on the > SHN edition of TT3 won't have to download the artwork themselves. > > @Maff: Maybe you can tell me whether there is a chance that you and > the other artists will finish the artwork until distribution starts > (whenever that will be)? > > Regards > Michael > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38157 Re: [TT3] Number of SHN disks Jeff Lester tdcrjeff Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB 38181 Re: [TT3] Number of SHN disks Herbert gae232 Sun 1/12/2003 4 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] [TT3] Number of SHN disks From: 'Matthew Sawyer' > Hi Michael And of course, that should have gone off-list. ***ing Yahoo. Maff From: coldwatercanyon Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 2:51 am Subject: TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue Got a bit of time to write on the issue of guestbook / forum. My opinion is simple: TDI is fully justified to withdraw, first, the forum, and then now the guestbook. because their kind offer to us fans is not properly appreciated and even the minimal respect to them is long overdue. 1) Take a look at the following TD-related websites, and you see there are more sites that have no guestbook/forum than those that have: Johannes Schmoelling (http://www.johannesschmoelling.de/) - has a guestbook Iris Kulterer (http://www.evolucion.com/iriscamaa/) - has a guestbook Bianca Acquaye (http://www.acquaye.de/) - has a guestbook Chris Franke / Sonic Images (http://www.sonicimages.com/index.html) - neither Paul Haslinger (http://www.haslinger.com/) - neither Conrad Schnitzler (http://www.conrad-schnitzler.net4.com/index.html) - neither Klaus Schulze (http://www.klaus-schulze.com) ¡V neither So it shows TD already gave us more than the average. 2) And the feedback entries on those that have guestbooks, at least, look more ¡¥normal¡¦ (whether they reflect likes or dislikes). Of course, generally there are pre-dominantly praises. Plus, I don't think that the band or TDI cannot take expressions of dislikes, as long as they are genuine, well-grounded and not in malicious / sarcastic / attacking language. (NB. I think it is okay as a customer you advise/request them what they should release [such as live tapes] but not as a fan you tell them how they should compose). 3) Even if the above cannot convince you, take a look at a non-TD guestbook: the guestbook of Hans Joachim Roedelius: http://labelart-at.com/roedelius/ To me, it is a wonder why TD do not deserve similar amount of sincere and +ve feedbacks, given that both are genre creators / pioneers and have huge contributions to electronic music. Your Jeffrey --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ -------------------- This email service is provided by So-net HK. Apply Now to be our members. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38123 Re: TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue Admin dale1kay Fri 1/10/2003 5 KB 38126 Re: TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue coldwatercanyon tangram80 Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38124 Re: TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue Synthhtnys@a... Fri 1/10/2003 4 KB 38129 Re: TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue coldwatercanyon tangram80 Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38130 Re: TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue Paul Ellis appearstovanish Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38132 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38134 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos Heiko Heerssen td_freak Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38135 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos billythefish01 billythefish01 Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38136 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos René Brenner fairway_ch Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 4:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue What hurts is not much can be said in opposition to your line of thoughts. If time could be devoted to monitor and moderate both, then it would work. There will many who will scream censor and so forth but over all, the information to be found and shared would have been very nice. One must wait now and see what direction they will take. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'coldwatercanyon' To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 6:51 PM Subject: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue Got a bit of time to write on the issue of guestbook / forum. My opinion is simple: TDI is fully justified to withdraw, first, the forum, and then now the guestbook. because their kind offer to us fans is not properly appreciated and even the minimal respect to them is long overdue. 1) Take a look at the following TD-related websites, and you see there are more sites that have no guestbook/forum than those that have: Johannes Schmoelling (http://www.johannesschmoelling.de/) - has a guestbook Iris Kulterer (http://www.evolucion.com/iriscamaa/) - has a guestbook Bianca Acquaye (http://www.acquaye.de/) - has a guestbook Chris Franke / Sonic Images (http://www.sonicimages.com/index.html) - neither Paul Haslinger (http://www.haslinger.com/) - neither Conrad Schnitzler (http://www.conrad-schnitzler.net4.com/index.html) - neither Klaus Schulze (http://www.klaus-schulze.com) ¡V neither So it shows TD already gave us more than the average. 2) And the feedback entries on those that have guestbooks, at least, look more ¡¥normal¡¦ (whether they reflect likes or dislikes). Of course, generally there are pre-dominantly praises. Plus, I don't think that the band or TDI cannot take expressions of dislikes, as long as they are genuine, well-grounded and not in malicious / sarcastic / attacking language. (NB. I think it is okay as a customer you advise/request them what they should release [such as live tapes] but not as a fan you tell them how they should compose). 3) Even if the above cannot convince you, take a look at a non-TD guestbook: the guestbook of Hans Joachim Roedelius: http://labelart-at.com/roedelius/ To me, it is a wonder why TD do not deserve similar amount of sincere and +ve feedbacks, given that both are genre creators / pioneers and have huge contributions to electronic music. Your Jeffrey ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ This email service is provided by So-net HK. Apply Now to be our members. ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38126 Re: TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue coldwatercanyon tangram80 Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 4:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue In a message dated 1/9/2003 6:53:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, coldwatercanyon@s... writes: > To me, it is a wonder why TD do not deserve similar amount of sincere and > +ve feedbacks, given that both are genre creators / pioneers and have huge > contributions to electronic music. > Your > Jeffrey *Wouldn't that be tacitly understood by the number of people on the mailing list and who visit or shop at TDI? We wouldn't be here if we didn't think that to some degree. It also has to be admitted that their course has changed over the years pursuing more and more commercial styles... A) This is obviously going to displease some. B) Let's not get into the 'They as artists have a right to pursue their own course... ' because of course they do, but there will always be some who don't like where they're going. C) The net is anonymous... Perhaps they have made a few enemies who are now using this medium anonymously to annoy / try to hurt them... under multiple names even. (Cowardly.) ... it happens. D) There is also (let's face it.) a high ratio of neurotic fans who have no social skills and are incapable of presenting an idea in a manner anything more than the whining and moaning of an adolescent. E) TD has made some very poor choices in their releases... The two same Rubycon cuts on the box set. The chh chh chh sound in Soundmill Navigator... That a fan was able to eliminate easily with cheap software.... I could go on and on... we've all seen these evidences of subpar quality control. I'm sure every artist has mistakes in their catalog, but I have to admit I've never seen so many concentrated on one group. Whether or not this is the case it looks from the outside like they just don't care anymore, that they're not trying very hard. TD should be able to recognize both that they ARE appreciated by fans for what they have done and that they have commited some mistakes that could have easily been prevented.... again, showing what appears to be indifference to their own art and fans. I personally am very disappointed with TDI having spent almost $100 on the 3 classic T-shirts and two months later no sign of them. It hasn't taken any other order I've made anywhere else - for - anything else nearly this long. Still no sign. I also ordered another one about a week after the first order to be shipped to someone else for a Christmas present and THAT one came to my house and I had to ship it to him at my own expense. While there is no doubt that TD (Historically) has played a huge role in Electronic music... it's hard to be all warm and fuzzy when these kinds of mistakes, errors and signs of complete indifference continually crop up. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38129 Re: TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue coldwatercanyon tangram80 Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38130 Re: TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue Paul Ellis appearstovanish Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38132 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38134 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos Heiko Heerssen td_freak Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38135 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos billythefish01 billythefish01 Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38136 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos René Brenner fairway_ch Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB 38137 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos Gibbons, Conrad TangFanIRL Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB 38138 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos Matthew Stringer Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB 38141 RE : [tadream] Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos (I wish I were there ;o) Fred Yargui fredyargui Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 4:44 am Subject: recording limitations Does anyone remember the max level a vinyl recording could do(track)? Has anyone examine the Rubycon CD's with the original vinyl recording and the levels they both contain? To me it just seems the CD is hotter. Maybe the level is higher. If so then would not the soft parts also be raised a bit or is it compressed? Dale Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38205 Re: recording limitations Bill Fox ultramusicman Tue 1/14/2003 4 KB 38209 Re: recording limitations billythefish01 billythefish01 Tue 1/14/2003 5 KB 38252 Re: recording limitations Matthew Stringer Wed 1/15/2003 6 KB 38234 Re: recording limitations obiwan kenomi obiwankenomi1958 Wed 1/15/2003 4 KB 38236 Re: recording limitations Dan Downey djambient Wed 1/15/2003 4 KB 38249 Re: recording limitations Matthew Stringer Wed 1/15/2003 5 KB 38239 Re: recording limitations tony.vandergaag@p... symfoon Wed 1/15/2003 4 KB 38241 Re: recording limitations Admin dale1kay Wed 1/15/2003 4 KB 38305 Re: recording limitations Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Thu 1/16/2003 7 KB From: coldwatercanyon Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 4:44 am Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue Hi Dale Unfortunately the moderation task appears too gigantic and non-rewarding, judging from the past experiences. We already have Martin K here to answer us questions, and it is clear that he is trying very hard, and with absolute sincerity, to help fans, and also to properly provide us with valuable [background] information. Again, compare this with other record labels and you see how much bonus we have got. Jeffrey -----Original Message----- From: Admin To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue Date: Fri Jan 10 12:04:48 HKT 2003 What hurts is not much can be said in opposition to your line of thoughts. If time could be devoted to monitor and moderate both, then it would work. There will many who will scream censor and so forth but over all, the information to be found and shared would have been very nice. One must wait now and see what direction they will take. dale --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ -------------------- This email service is provided by So-net HK. Apply Now to be our members. From: 'Admin' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 4:48 am Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue On this list, we truly are blessed. There is no argument there. Martin has been very beneficial. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'coldwatercanyon' To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 8:44 PM Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue > Hi Dale > > Unfortunately the moderation task appears too gigantic and non-rewarding, judging from the past experiences. > > We already have Martin K here to answer us questions, and it is clear that he is trying very hard, and with absolute sincerity, to help fans, and also to properly provide us with valuable [background] information. Again, compare this with other record labels and you see how much bonus we have got. > > Jeffrey > > -----Original Message----- > From: Admin > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue > Date: Fri Jan 10 12:04:48 HKT 2003 > > What hurts is not much can be said in opposition to your line of thoughts. > > If time could be devoted to monitor and moderate both, then it would work. > There will many who will scream censor and so forth but over all, the > information to be found and shared would have been very nice. > > One must wait now and see what direction they will take. > > dale > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- > This email service is provided by So-net HK. Apply Now to be our members. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 4:50 am Subject: Re: Mistakes In a message dated 1/9/03 11:29:49 PM, Synthhtnys@a... writes: >I'm sure every artist has mistakes in their catalog, but I have to admit >I've never seen so many concentrated on one group. You must not be a Front Line Assembly fan, then. ;) (Sorry for the OT post.) --Daniel NP: Forma Tadre - Automate From: coldwatercanyon Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 8:17 am Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue Hi Poly 'They as artists have a right to pursue their own course... ' I agree this is a source where the polarisation exist - some like TD because of this, others hate TD also because of this. E) I could go on and on... I am sorry about the unpleasant experience that you had (I had a minor problem too). Let's hope us fans no longer suffer from such 'manufacturing fault' and 'order problem' in future. While I agree these are valid points for a customer complaint, a customer complaint certainly does NOT belong in the internet guestbook of the artist, but the mailbox of the cybershop. To draw a [not very decent] analogy, can you imagine a visitor piss in the living room of the host while the place is filled with guests? Jeffrey --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ -------------------- This email service is provided by So-net HK. Apply Now to be our members. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38130 Re: TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue Paul Ellis appearstovanish Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38132 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38134 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos Heiko Heerssen td_freak Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38135 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos billythefish01 billythefish01 Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38136 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos René Brenner fairway_ch Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB 38137 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos Gibbons, Conrad TangFanIRL Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB 38138 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos Matthew Stringer Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB 38141 RE : [tadream] Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos (I wish I were there ;o) Fred Yargui fredyargui Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB 38149 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB From: 'Paul Ellis ' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 8:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, coldwatercanyon wrote: > Hi Poly > 'They as artists have a right to pursue their own course... ' > > I agree this is a source where the polarisation exist - some like TD because of this, others hate TD also because of this. > > E) I could go on and on... > > I am sorry about the unpleasant experience that you had (I had a minor problem too). Let's hope us fans no longer suffer from such 'manufacturing fault' and 'order problem' in future. *In this case it wasn't a manufacturing fault as I got the other t- shirt I ordered for someone else.... > While I agree these are valid points for a customer complaint, a customer complaint certainly does NOT belong in the internet guestbook of the artist, but the mailbox of the cybershop. To draw a [not very decent] analogy, can you imagine a visitor piss in the living room of the host while the place is filled with guests? *Well, I'm not convinced that this analogy is accurate.. it's a business, not their home, however having said that I agree that what has gone on in their guestbook has been extremely lame and I don't blame them from removing it. Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38132 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38134 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos Heiko Heerssen td_freak Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38135 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos billythefish01 billythefish01 Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38136 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos René Brenner fairway_ch Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB 38137 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos Gibbons, Conrad TangFanIRL Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB 38138 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos Matthew Stringer Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB 38141 RE : [tadream] Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos (I wish I were there ;o) Fred Yargui fredyargui Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB 38149 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB 38154 SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos Micke Stark Runsten micke_stark Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 9:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue > > >I personally am very disappointed with TDI having spent almost $100 on the 3 >classic >T-shirts and two months later no sign of them. It hasn't taken any other >order I've made anywhere else - for - anything else nearly this long. Still >no sign. I also ordered another one about a week after the first order to be >shipped to someone else >for a Christmas present and THAT one came to my house and I had to ship it to >him at my own expense. Dear Paul, dear list, I would like to clarify something here as I feel Paul is doing me and TDI wrong, which kind of makes me wonder... - it is true that one of the orders Paul placed was supposed to go to another person and was sent to him by accident. This was my mistake (it was the X-Mas season and a pretty large onslaught of orders to be handled by just two people) and I asked Paul how I could recompense for that. He stated that I could send him an 'Inferno'-CD as recompensation for the extra shipping, which I did and of which he confirmed receipt. - when he informed me that the parcel containing the 3 shirts did not reach him by Dec 18th, I had a replacement parcel dispatched to him right the next day, of which I also informed him. I was never again approached by him for assistance. Thus, I assumed that he had received the replacement parcel. So, I ask myself the question: what more can I do?!?!? I´ve tried my best to deliver good customer service and I still get slagged for it. Well, I am personally pretty disappointed in that, to say the least. I think if someone attempts to comjure up some dirty laundry on this list (German saying), he/she should at least tell all sides of the story. This way it´s an unfair game and I really don´t know what to make of it. I just felt the need to clear this up, being part of a business that I, myself, have tried to make rather customer-friendly... Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 10:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos >Hello fellow listizens, I thought I´d drop you a few advance notes on the London show: 1. line-up: we have a special surprise for you regarding the line-up. We´ll have an old face on guitar: Mr. Zlatko Perica. Thus, the line-up will be: - Edgar and Jerome Froese - Iris Kulterer - Zlatko Perica 2. specials: we will have a special release ready for the show of previously unavailable material. This will be on sale at the Astoria for the first time and will not be reprinted in this form. We will also have an array of rare and sought-after items for sale, plus the usual array of T-Shirts, CD´s and watches. 3. The show will start at 7 p.m. straight, as we have a strict curfew for 10 p.m. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38134 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos Heiko Heerssen td_freak Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38135 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos billythefish01 billythefish01 Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38136 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos René Brenner fairway_ch Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB 38137 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos Gibbons, Conrad TangFanIRL Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB 38138 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos Matthew Stringer Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB 38141 RE : [tadream] Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos (I wish I were there ;o) Fred Yargui fredyargui Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB 38149 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB 38154 SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos Micke Stark Runsten micke_stark Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB 38214 Re: SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos michaeljean@e... mikejeanwork Tue 1/14/2003 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 10:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue > Dear Paul, dear list, > > I would like to clarify something here as I feel Paul is doing me and TDI > wrong, which kind of makes me wonder... *How am I doing you wrong? I am stating what has happened. > - it is true that one of the orders Paul placed was supposed to go to > another person and was sent to him by accident. This was my mistake (it was > the X-Mas season and a pretty large onslaught of orders to be handled by > just two people) and I asked Paul how I could recompense for that. He > stated that I could send him an 'Inferno'-CD as recompensation for the > extra shipping, which I did and of which he confirmed receipt. *This is true. > > - when he informed me that the parcel containing the 3 shirts did not reach > him by Dec 18th, I had a replacement parcel dispatched to him right the > next day, of which I also informed him. I was never again approached by him > for assistance. Thus, I assumed that he had received the replacement parcel. *This is not true, I wrote an e-mail last week sometime telling you that I still had not received anything yet and what was going on? I suggested that when you are sending orders out of a $100 or more you should consider a 'confirmation receipt' that the receiver has to fill out before getting the package. This way both parties know the order was received. Maybe a timeline would help here: 1)Early Nov. I order three shirts. (about $100) 2) A week later I make another order for one shirt to be sent to someone else. I get THIS order almost right away and have to send it to him myself, you offered recompense by way of the Inferno CD, great. 3) I get the Inferno CD, but still not shirts... 4) I wait a few weeks more, write you and mention that I still don't have anything so you send another set.... I STILL don't receive it... which makes me wonder because if I didn't get the Inferno CD I'd suspect you sent it to the wrong address. How is it BOTH 3 t-shirt orders are missing so long? I got a package from a friend in Germany in the middle of the holiday rush and that only took 1 week. I have received quite a few orders from around the world and nothing has taken so long. If you DID somehow send that to the wrong address then how did I get the CD correctly? > > So, I ask myself the question: what more can I do?!?!? I´ve tried my best > to deliver good customer service and I still get slagged for it. Well, I am > personally pretty disappointed in that, to say the least. I think if > someone attempts to comjure up some dirty laundry on this list (German > saying), he/she should at least tell all sides of the story. This way it´s > an unfair game and I really don´t know what to make of it. *Seems to me you're overreacting here, no I didn't mention the Inferno CD, but that's hardly a key element. I did not attack you,I did not even mention your name. I expressed dissatisfaction for bad service. How is this 'Dirty Laundry'? Several things have gone wrong with this order. I wanted the T-shirts, not the CD. It seems TDI cannot take criticism of any kind. Are you suggesting that if you had spent $100 US (more than that if you include the other t-shirt) and had an order go this wrong after several e-mails to try and get it straight that you would be happy about it? and the last e-mail I had no response to. Poly From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 11:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos > 1. line-up: we have a special surprise for you regarding the line-up. We´ll > have an old face on guitar: Mr. Zlatko Perica. Thus, the line-up will be: Good to know the 'Z-man' is back again, I really like his guitar playing on Detroit 92 a lot (TT3, Vol. 21) > 2. specials: we will have a special release ready for the show of > previously unavailable material. This will be on sale at the Astoria for > the first time and will not be reprinted in this form. :-B > We will also have an array of rare and sought-after items for sale, plus > the usual array of T-Shirts, CD´s and watches. Am I dreaming? :-B :-B Be there or be square! Heiko From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 11:25 am Subject: Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos I will now not be able to sleep until 15/2!! :-P --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > > >Hello fellow listizens, > > I thought I´d drop you a few advance notes on the London show: > > 1. line-up: we have a special surprise for you regarding the line- up. We´ll > have an old face on guitar: Mr. Zlatko Perica. Thus, the line-up will be: > - Edgar and Jerome Froese > - Iris Kulterer > - Zlatko Perica > > 2. specials: we will have a special release ready for the show of > previously unavailable material. This will be on sale at the Astoria for > the first time and will not be reprinted in this form. > We will also have an array of rare and sought-after items for sale, plus > the usual array of T-Shirts, CD´s and watches. > > 3. The show will start at 7 p.m. straight, as we have a strict curfew for > 10 p.m. > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: René Brenner Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:05 pm Subject: Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > > >Hello fellow listizens, > > I thought I´d drop you a few advance notes on the London show: > > 1. line-up: we have a special surprise for you regarding the line-up. We´ll > have an old face on guitar: Mr. Zlatko Perica. Thus, the line-up will be: > - Edgar and Jerome Froese > - Iris Kulterer > - Zlatko Perica I can't believe Slädu from the Gölä-Band is back. From: 'Gibbons, Conrad' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:21 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos Hi Martin, Thanks for the info. A TD concert celebrating 3 decades of music making wouldn't be complete without a guitar solo from Edgar. Can you find out for us please if this will happen? Many fans would like that! ;-) Regards, Conrad From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos My wife bought me tickets for this as a Christmas Present!!!!! And she wants to come too :) Isn't love great. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38141 RE : [tadream] Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos (I wish I were there ;o) Fred Yargui fredyargui Fri 1/10/2003 2 KB From: cosmos1@w... Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 1:54 pm Subject: sale/trade hi here you find some items for sale/trade. http://home.wanadoo.nl/cosmos1/sale.htm interesting for non-commercial music lovers. if you don't like it just use 'delete' and your problem is solved :) thanks for reading and taking your time. andre From: 'corporalcripp ' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 2:57 pm Subject: Re: TT3 Question --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Matthew Sawyer' wrote: > From: > > > I signed on to the TT3 mailing list as a leaf a while ago.How can I > > add the volumes I want to my listing?The shows I'd like are: > > vol. 18 April 9, 1977 > > vol. 19 Nov. 22, 1976 > > vol. 22 Aug. 16, 1975 > > vol. 23 Nov. 29, 1973 > > vol. 25 March31, 1977 > > Thanks----Bob > > > The Tangerine Tree operates differently from the Classic Tree. For the CT you > could specify which discs you wanted when you signed up as all of them were > already in circulation and quite common. All the TT discs however are previously > unreleased versions, so it's assumed that each member wants them all. If you > only want a select few, you need to work that out in private when you first make > contact with your branch. > > > Maff Thanks Maff.-Bob From: 'Fred Yargui' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 4:39 pm Subject: RE : [tadream] Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos (I wish I were there ;o) Happy husband ;o))) Fred > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Matthew Stringer [mailto:qube@f...] > Envoyé : vendredi 10 janvier 2003 13:54 > À : tadream@yahoogroups.com > Objet : Re: [tadream] Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos > > > My wife bought me tickets for this as a Christmas Present!!!!! > > And she wants to come too :) > > Isn't love great. Isn't it - sometimes ;o)))) From: 'Pergamon' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 4:54 pm Subject: Why??? Hi Martin Maybe you can answer the total mystery..........Why is it that Tangerine Dream has never played in Denmark or Scandinavia for that matter?????? Do we smell bad or????...................=O) Regards Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38198 Re: Why??? tony.vandergaag@p... symfoon Mon 1/13/2003 3 KB 38204 Re: Why??? Pergamon pergamondk Mon 1/13/2003 4 KB 38206 Re: Why??? Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Tue 1/14/2003 2 KB 38207 Re: Why??? coldwatercanyon tangram80 Tue 1/14/2003 3 KB 38215 Re: Why??? Jeffrey Au-Yeung tangram80 Tue 1/14/2003 4 KB From: Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 11:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos & Introduction Hi, I'd like to introduce myself to this list. Some of you may know me from several contacts through the last few years. Having been a fan of the so called 'Electronic Music' for perhaps 2 or 3 years I had my first 'real' contact to TDs music in 1986 after obtaining 'Underwater Sunlight' - more or less by chance. That time I liked it but I didn't 'fell in love' with it. I was more interested in the artists of the (now closed) IC Innovative Communications label (founded by Klaus Schulze) - the reason for that might have been that their kind of music was not very difficult to absorb. I also listend to the German radio show 'Schwingungen' made by Winfried Trenkler and from time to time there was something about TD. So while getting older my interest in TD was growing. But as you usually don't have huge amounts of money as a pupil or an apprentice I wasn't buying everything that came out. I think it was with the millenium booster in 1999 that I started to get almost everything that was in range (and that I was aware of!). I also went to the Osnabrück concert that year and was overwhelmed. The following years I got in touch with a few fans - some contacts were made via eBay. In 2001 Heiko H., Al B., and I think it was Rainer R., gave me support in dealing with some guys who sold me counterfeits. So I learned (but of course not only by that incident), or better I've been learning, what it is all about being a TD *fan*. Now, at least in my opinion, my collection is a little bit more than average but surely not at the real 'die hard' level. :-) To complete the introduction: Age: 36 Country: Germany Hobbies besides TD and music: - collecting SF booklet novellas - ST (TNG) Some of my favourite TD records - in the following order - ... not exactly ;-) : - Optical Race - The Keep - Shy people - Mars Polaris - Tyger - Underwater Sunlight - Pergamon - Live Miles - Tangram - Electronic Meditation Some of my favourite TD Tracks: - Logos Part I - Mobocaster - Purple Haze - White Eagle - Rubycon Part I So, enough introduction. ========= Btw: I would be very glad if anybody who is going to the concert in Feb. will contact me. Bis denne... Jörg ______________________________________________________________________________ Keine Lust, immer Ihre Adressdaten in eine E-Mail zu schreiben? Mit der vCard ist Schluss damit! Infos - http://freemail.web.de/features/?mc=021153 From: 'Pete Dandy' Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 5:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1637 I haven't written to the list in a while now .I've been in lurk mode because I was being accused of being a guy called Damo who nobody seemed to like :-/ ?? Anyhow I'm trying again . I'm writing again because I cannot fathom why people are so incensed at the TDI guestbook being closed down .Why is this????? if you have an addiction to putting your love for TD in writing on the web , then why not just post it here ? Do people feel that a direct link to Edgar has been lost ? I for one back TD's decision to close the Guestbook and Forum .They are a business after all , and they can certainly do without countless negative comments on their business page .Who would open a store with bad customer complaints posted in the window ? As I managed to upset a few people last time I posted , I will make a great effort not to be too negative in future .I've avoided buying the Melrose Years for this very purpose ;) with its skips an-all . Pete _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From: David Dunham Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 5:26 pm Subject: Guestboof & Forum Hi to all. I'm wondering if TD would consider instead of the guestbook and forum to have a ask Edgar or TD column.This way fans could submit their questions about recordings, concerts,how a song came together, ect. That way they could screen out all the objectional ones.The one or more questions and answers could be posted maybe once a month. I know they have a F.A.Q but it seems to be the same for years Any other thoughts on this? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 5:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] shipping problems >It seems TDI cannot take criticism of any kind. Are you suggesting that if >you had spent $100 US (more than that if you include the other t-shirt) and >had an order go this wrong after several e-mails to try and get it straight >that you would be happy about it? and the last e-mail I had no response to. > >Poly Hey hey, calm down people. No-one is intentiously being malicious, right? Don't. BTW, the longest time I've waited for an order was about 15 months (yes... 15!). It was a rare import computer game which was out of print but still in production (huh?) - and I was only about 12 at the time. The wait seemed like eternity. John Vertical np: Desert Train (it's been a while since I listened to this the last time) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 6:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue >If time could be devoted to monitor and moderate both, then it would work. >There will many who will scream censor and so forth but over all, the >information to be found and shared would have been very nice. > >One must wait now and see what direction they will take. > >dale I think I've just gotten an idea..: No, this will not solve the TDI interaction problem, but it may help somebodies... (someones? some people? how do you say that in plural??) Yeah, the idea. It's a new method of banning users from registration-requiring forums etc. Instead of removing his account (after which the terrorist would reregister under another name) you just set it so that he will be able to post but nobody will see the messages... with the possible exception of himself. Bingo: User removed, but he doesn't know about it - since those sort of people I'm talking about will not read what people reply to his messages. Oh, and it can of course be a she, too... (okay, this went OT - but if anyone has any use for this method, feel free to use it. Just don't take the glory yourself ;) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Colin Jouxson ' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 7:05 pm Subject: The Z mans back in town. The Z man is back,this is bloody great news,long live the Z man. Zlatko is King. From: Jonathan Holt Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 7:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos --- TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > > > 2. specials: we will have a special release ready > for the show of > previously unavailable material. This will be on > sale at the Astoria for > the first time and will not be reprinted in this > form. Is anyone planning on buying more than one copy of this? As I'm stuck in Canada, I would gladly reimburse someone if they could get me a copy and mail it over. Feel free to contact me off-list. Thanks. Jonnnyboy. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: 'Administrator' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 7:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue ;-) post = post (null) ;-) bit bucket dead letter circular file and so forth? dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue > >If time could be devoted to monitor and moderate both, then it would work. > >There will many who will scream censor and so forth but over all, the > >information to be found and shared would have been very nice. > > > >One must wait now and see what direction they will take. > > > >dale > > > I think I've just gotten an idea..: > No, this will not solve the TDI interaction problem, but it may help > somebodies... (someones? some people? how do you say that in plural??) > Yeah, the idea. It's a new method of banning users from > registration-requiring forums etc. Instead of removing his account (after > which the terrorist would reregister under another name) you just set it so > that he will be able to post but nobody will see the messages... with the > possible exception of himself. Bingo: User removed, but he doesn't know > about it - since those sort of people I'm talking about will not read what > people reply to his messages. Oh, and it can of course be a she, too... > > (okay, this went OT - but if anyone has any use for this method, feel free > to use it. Just don't take the glory yourself ;) > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Colin Jouxson ' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 7:35 pm Subject: New York Jets All the best to the green and whites on Sunday,New York Jets we love you.Jets Jets JETS. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38161 Re: New York Jets John Vertical omegatransfinito Sat 1/11/2003 2 KB 38170 Re: New York Jets Admin dale1kay Sat 1/11/2003 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 8:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue >From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 6:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue< hmm that was all I could see--was there text that went with this message? 8P --T _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Administrator' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 8:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue I say the test was successful! ;-) rrrr r r rrrr more than one way to skin them critters..... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tei waz' To: Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue > >From: 'John Vertical' > Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 6:01 pm > Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue< > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hmm that was all I could see--was there text that went with this message? > > > > > From: 'Micke Stark Runsten' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 9:10 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos > 2. specials: we will have a special release ready for the show of > previously unavailable material. This will be on sale at the Astoria for > the first time and will not be reprinted in this form. > We will also have an array of rare and sought-after items for sale, plus > the usual array of T-Shirts, CD´s and watches. > This sounds great, but I have no chance going to the gig, (stucked in Sweden with family). Can anyone help me out and pick up some goodies for me. Feel free to contact me off-list. Many thanx, Micke Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38214 Re: SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos michaeljean@e... mikejeanwork Tue 1/14/2003 3 KB 38216 Re: SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos billythefish01 billythefish01 Tue 1/14/2003 4 KB 38217 Re: SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Tue 1/14/2003 3 KB 38223 Re: SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos jjank@w... jjank_66 Tue 1/14/2003 4 KB From: 'colin anderson' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 10:14 pm Subject: Re: Astoria 15th Feb infos Martin, One of the coolest things the band has done was the webacst of the Shepherds Bush 2001 show. Are there plans to do the same thing for the Astoria show? It'd sure mean a lot to folks like myself, who are here in Australia or wherever, and who can't make the time or cash to get to the UK. Also, whilst on the subject of requests for the show: * Cloudburst Flight with E on guitar * No Purple Haze ;-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38156 Re: Astoria 15th Feb infos Matthew Stringer Fri 1/10/2003 3 KB 38159 Re: Astoria 15th Feb infos Jim Moore moxica93 Sat 1/11/2003 2 KB 38160 Re: Astoria 15th Feb infos Matthew Stringer Sat 1/11/2003 3 KB 38166 Re: Astoria 15th Feb infos Colin Jouxson convention24 Sat 1/11/2003 2 KB From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 10:43 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Astoria 15th Feb infos * No Techno * No Inferno -----Original Message----- From: colin anderson [mailto:colin_anderson@i...] Sent: 10 January 2003 22:15 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: Astoria 15th Feb infos Martin, One of the coolest things the band has done was the webacst of the Shepherds Bush 2001 show. Are there plans to do the same thing for the Astoria show? It'd sure mean a lot to folks like myself, who are here in Australia or wherever, and who can't make the time or cash to get to the UK. Also, whilst on the subject of requests for the show: * Cloudburst Flight with E on guitar * No Purple Haze ;-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38159 Re: Astoria 15th Feb infos Jim Moore moxica93 Sat 1/11/2003 2 KB 38160 Re: Astoria 15th Feb infos Matthew Stringer Sat 1/11/2003 3 KB From: 'Jeff Lester ' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 11:30 pm Subject: Re: [TT3] Number of SHN disks --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Matthew Sawyer' > Btw, can I ask if you're using EAC to rip the audio? The first batch of SHN > discs for TT2 were ripped with Audiograbber at insanely high-speeds and had some > major glitches. And if I may ask, why is there any ripping going on at all? Why can't the SHN files be generated from the original WAVs (by Heiko?) before any audio CDR generation exists? -Jeff Lester Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38181 Re: [TT3] Number of SHN disks Herbert gae232 Sun 1/12/2003 4 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 12:13 am Subject: re: ripping > And if I may ask, why is there any ripping going on at all? Why can't the SHN files be generated from the original WAVs (by Heiko?) before any audio CDR generation exists? < yer assuming they exist in that format at heiko's abode. if yer volunteering to give him a computer with all the bells and hardware thrown in then I'm sure it could be done. otherwise, tis hard to do that with a stand alone burner..... unnerstand now? --T _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 1:59 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Astoria 15th Feb infos TD/Martin: don't listen to these boneheads! Play Everything! [Doing my best to be there in Feb!] - jim -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Stringer [mailto:qube@f...] * No Techno * No Inferno -----Original Message----- From: colin anderson [mailto:colin_anderson@i...] Martin, Also, whilst on the subject of requests for the show: * Cloudburst Flight with E on guitar * No Purple Haze ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38160 Re: Astoria 15th Feb infos Matthew Stringer Sat 1/11/2003 3 KB From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 2:50 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Astoria 15th Feb infos Bonehead? There is not enough room in 3 hours to play everything so why not stick to what's the most popular? -----Original Message----- From: Jim Moore [mailto:moxica@a...] Sent: 11 January 2003 01:59 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Astoria 15th Feb infos TD/Martin: don't listen to these boneheads! Play Everything! [Doing my best to be there in Feb!] - jim -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Stringer [mailto:qube@f...] * No Techno * No Inferno -----Original Message----- From: colin anderson [mailto:colin_anderson@i...] Martin, Also, whilst on the subject of requests for the show: * Cloudburst Flight with E on guitar * No Purple Haze ;-) ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] New York Jets >All the best to the green and whites on Sunday,New York Jets we love >you.Jets Jets JETS. Uh.. are you sure you're on the right list? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 8:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] some Classic Tree comments Funny how people like different things!!!! I can't wait to get hold of mine!!!! Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:10 AM Subject: [tadream] some Classic Tree comments > Okay, it shall not be silent anymore about CT... > > After hearing Bondy Parade on The Real Sohoman I wonder no more that it was > overdubbed - such a lame effort. TT vol. 10 is lightyears ahead, so why did > Edgar choose this show for Sohoman? > On the other hand, I though that the first quarter (up to Ayers Majectic) > was heavily overdubbed too, but apparently not? > > Live Improvised sounds interesting and technically much less primitive than > TT volumes 2, 7, 9 or the other early shows I've heard. Some of the > Mellotron passages could well be from a 76 show... > The 2nd set is more experimental than the first, which has some obviously > classical veins. > > Of Antarktis and 20th C. Serenades I find the latter better. I like this > live version of Ride On A Ray more than the studio one; it also ends with a > nice flute solo, reminescent of Mt. Shasta. Another reminescence was the > choral intro into the over-extended version of Canyon Voices - this intro > bears some resemblance to the intro of Livemiles.. Albuquerque Concert! > > The bits that have been released on Livemiles are not too impressive here > (quite slow) though Velvet Autumn (opening track on 20thCS, 2nd movement on > Livemiles) has some creepy big percussion; also, Yellowstone Park, Tyger and > Smile don't really work without the vocals. > > There was little new or different-from-studio material on these volumes, but > that little (Ride on a Ray, Scuba Scuba, piano solo and the preceding track) > was OK. > > ...and that's it about the volumes I picked. > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38165 Re: some Classic Tree comments Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sat 1/11/2003 3 KB From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 8:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine tree????? whats that????? White Eagle for me.......... Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'David Wakefield' To: Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:17 AM Subject: RE : [tadream] Tangerine tree????? whats that????? > I started way back in the mid 70's listening to my brothers record > collection. I can > still remember listening to my first TD LP which was Rubycon when I was > about 13 > and have been hooked ever since. > > Dave W > > -------Original Message------- > > From: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:06:55 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE : [tadream] Tangerine tree????? whats that????? > > Hello, Kevin and Dreamers, > > > (...) and grew up listening to TD with my dad since I > > was a small boy (...) > > You lucky boy ;o)) > > Greetings from France... > > > Fred > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 8:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue Sounds good to me. As many have said, I can't understand why a fan would post like that AND still be a Fan! Everyone gets 'a little hot under the collar' but to cause the shutdown of the guestbook is unforgivable. A site i was a member of had so much of this guestbook jamming they shut the website down pending investigation into hacking...... Paulus.d_uk ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI Forum/Guestbook Issue > >If time could be devoted to monitor and moderate both, then it would work. > >There will many who will scream censor and so forth but over all, the > >information to be found and shared would have been very nice. > > > >One must wait now and see what direction they will take. > > > >dale > > > I think I've just gotten an idea..: > No, this will not solve the TDI interaction problem, but it may help > somebodies... (someones? some people? how do you say that in plural??) > Yeah, the idea. It's a new method of banning users from > registration-requiring forums etc. Instead of removing his account (after > which the terrorist would reregister under another name) you just set it so > that he will be able to post but nobody will see the messages... with the > possible exception of himself. Bingo: User removed, but he doesn't know > about it - since those sort of people I'm talking about will not read what > people reply to his messages. Oh, and it can of course be a she, too... > > (okay, this went OT - but if anyone has any use for this method, feel free > to use it. Just don't take the glory yourself ;) > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 10:16 am Subject: RE: [tadream] some Classic Tree comments A bit behind here, but part of this caught my eye..... Today (well, yesterday, technicaly) I was looking thru the used cd rack at the Wherehouse, and came across this one: Tangerine Dream - Sohoman; Live iN Sydney 1982 Part One, produced by Edgar Froese. Now after I bought this lovely little cd, and went to rip me a backup copy to store away with my other zillion albums, I ran into a problem- it won't rip! The year on it is 1999, so before the world got crazy with copy-protect b.s.. I can see all 5 audio files in the disc in explorer, but I can't copy them, and they don't appear in CDex, it shows as a blank disk there. Anyone have this cd from maybe the same release that has had this problem or gotten past it with a simular problem? Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' Subject: [tadream] some Classic Tree comments > After hearing Bondy Parade on The Real Sohoman...... From: 'Colin Jouxson ' Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 11:58 am Subject: Re: Astoria 15th Feb infos --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'colin anderson' wrote: > Martin, > > One of the coolest things the band has done was the webacst of the Shepherds Bush 2001 show. Are there plans to do the same thing for the Astoria show? It'd sure mean a lot to folks like myself, who are here in Australia or wherever, and who can't make the time or cash to get to the UK. > > Also, whilst on the subject of requests for the show: > > * Cloudburst Flight with E on guitar > * No Purple Haze ;-) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Or how about Ride On The Ray with EF and ZP on Guitars,come on Edgar,get that Guitar outta the case. From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 11:03 am Subject: Soundmill Navigator and Feb 15th Shopping locally I found a copy of 'Soundmill Navigator' for a bargin price. Prepaired for the worst, (Sohoman does not compare to the TT1-2 tracks) I bought it partally to compare with TT volume 8, the same concert. I should have had no worries! the CD is very good, the overdubbing is excellent and lends atmosphere to the piece,not distracting from the origional concert material underneath. I was very impressed with the whole package, also having not seen some of the photos on the inlay! While Iam here, don't worry about the gig on 15th Feb. I think we'll be treated to a Suite of music, era into era, album into next album, simlar to Poland (TT vol 15 & 16).ZLatico's return is one of the best pieces of news so far..... that man made 'Three Phase' the pleasure it is to watch! Paulus.d_UK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 1:43 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #303 for January 9, 2003 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #303 January 9, 2003. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Brannan Lane, a rising star in the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Deep Unknown' by Brannan Lane and vidnaObmana on the brannanlane.com label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Mirage' by Klaus Schulze on the Island label. Brannan Lane http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jan PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Klaus Schulze 1984 Mirage (Island) Palancar Cydonia Mensae Elysiun Planitia (Ampcast.com) Re:Cooperation Thing4 Transatlantic Collaboration (Uncle Buzz) Mike Griffin and Biometric Imprint (Hypnos) Dave Fulton Mark Jenkins The Surge Cloud / Sequencer Loops (AMP) Pyroclasic Flow VA [Henric] Homicide 36 Sequences No, 27 (Sequences) Brannan Lane Unfamiliar Territory Deep Unknown (brannanlane.com) 12:00 am Brannan Lane Dark Decent Deep Unknown (brannanlane.com) Brannan Lane Points of Light 1 Deep Unknown (brannanlane.com) Brannan Lane Points of Light 2 Deep Unknown (brannanlane.com) Brannan Lane Deep Unknown 1 Deep Unknown (brannanlane.com) Brannan Lane Deep Unknown 2 Deep Unknown (brannanlane.com) Brannan Lane Deep Unknown 3 Deep Unknown (brannanlane.com) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Brannan Lane. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'To Earth and Back' by Brannan Lane on the Space for Music.com label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Dig It' by Klaus Schulze on the Brain label. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: quarlie@a... Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 6:58 pm Subject: Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman In a message dated 1/11/03 5:18:32 AM, the_singing_goat@a... writes: >Today (well, yesterday, technicaly) I was looking thru the used cd rack >at the Wherehouse, and came across this one: Tangerine Dream - Sohoman; Live >iN Sydney 1982 Part One, produced by Edgar Froese. >Now after I bought this lovely little cd, and went to rip me a backup copy >to store away with my other zillion albums, I ran into a problem- it won't >rip! The year on it is 1999, so before the world got crazy with copy-protect >b.s.. >I can see all 5 audio files in the disc in explorer, but I can't copy them, >and they don't appear in CDex, it shows as a blank disk there. >Anyone have this cd from maybe the same release that has had this problem >or gotten past it with a simular problem? Although I don't own Sohoman, I have experienced inability to rip some CDs - the program would start the process, but never successfully read any audio, and eventually give up. However, in all cases to date, I was able to rip them on a different computer with the same software. I guess it must have been something to do with the drive. So try on another computer if possible. --Daniel NP: Pressurehed - Sudden Vertigo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38173 Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sat 1/11/2003 3 KB 38174 Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman kostas karlis soluok Sat 1/11/2003 3 KB 38175 Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sat 1/11/2003 4 KB 38176 Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman Utch Entel utch_entel Sat 1/11/2003 2 KB 38178 Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Sat 1/11/2003 2 KB 38179 Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/12/2003 3 KB 38180 Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman Roy Teale royteale Sun 1/12/2003 4 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 7:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New York Jets I just let that run, no comment needed... When I saw the post I removed it out of my archives. Just did not fit... Now here is a good example of something's that might not fit into a forum,guestbook and so forth. Unless TD was playing half-time or had a video commercial happening of course... I can't see this happening but then again, TD has done some things I would not consider either... Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] New York Jets > >All the best to the green and whites on Sunday,New York Jets we love > >you.Jets Jets JETS. > > > Uh.. are you sure you're on the right list? > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 7:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] some Classic Tree comments I can't comment on how to get around this... I can point you to use a search engine and do a bit of reading... Common sense works fine here too... but that might be too much of a hint... dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Debra Wilson' To: Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 2:16 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] some Classic Tree comments > A bit behind here, but part of this caught my eye..... > > Today (well, yesterday, technicaly) I was looking thru the used cd rack at > the Wherehouse, and came across this one: Tangerine Dream - Sohoman; Live iN > Sydney 1982 Part One, produced by Edgar Froese. > Now after I bought this lovely little cd, and went to rip me a backup copy > to store away with my other zillion albums, I ran into a problem- it won't > rip! The year on it is 1999, so before the world got crazy with copy-protect > b.s.. > I can see all 5 audio files in the disc in explorer, but I can't copy them, > and they don't appear in CDex, it shows as a blank disk there. > Anyone have this cd from maybe the same release that has had this problem or > gotten past it with a simular problem? > > Debra Wilson > Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html > AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs > http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'John Vertical' > Subject: [tadream] some Classic Tree comments > > > After hearing Bondy Parade on The Real Sohoman...... > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38172 Re: some Classic Tree comments Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sat 1/11/2003 3 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 8:34 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] some Classic Tree comments I've been doing just that, but I can't find the same problem.... :-( Also talking to several groups of fellow mp3 whores with no luck.. *sigh* Maybe someone on my forum has the answer.. I just got up, so still checking my mail..lol. Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...] Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:24 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] some Classic Tree comments I can't comment on how to get around this... I can point you to use a search engine and do a bit of reading... Common sense works fine here too... but that might be too much of a hint... dale From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 8:35 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman Did that already.. same thing, disc shows up as being empty... :-( Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: quarlie@a... [mailto:quarlie@a...] Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:58 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman Although I don't own Sohoman, I have experienced inability to rip some CDs - the program would start the process, but never successfully read any audio, and eventually give up. However, in all cases to date, I was able to rip them on a different computer with the same software. I guess it must have been something to do with the drive. So try on another computer if possible. --Daniel NP: Pressurehed - Sudden Vertigo From: kostas karlis Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman hello from greece well i noticed your prob with ripping so here is what i do in such cd's that supposed to be protected i use tis program called Alcholol 120% and i can copy with this prog all kind of protected cd's. this is a prog that you can download from kazaa [i at least found it there] well hope this help Kostas 'koulos' Karlis Dimosies & Diethneis Sxeseis Politistiki Omada 'Radio Gaia' mailto:k_koulos@p... mailto:k_koulos@w... http://radiogaia.aua.gr ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Debra Wilson' To: Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:35 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38175 Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sat 1/11/2003 4 KB 38176 Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman Utch Entel utch_entel Sat 1/11/2003 2 KB 38178 Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Sat 1/11/2003 2 KB 38179 Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/12/2003 3 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:34 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman You use any other programs? I won't get near Kazaa, have had lousey resulkts with it.. and from the official site, it's a $50. program.. so I'm still need a key too. The thing is, I don't belive this cd is copy protected. It plays fine on my computer. Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: kostas karlis [mailto:k_koulos@p...] Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 1:06 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman hello from greece well i noticed your prob with ripping so here is what i do in such cd's that supposed to be protected i use tis program called Alcholol 120% and i can copy with this prog all kind of protected cd's. this is a prog that you can download from kazaa [i at least found it there] well hope this help Kostas 'koulos' Karlis Dimosies & Diethneis Sxeseis Politistiki Omada 'Radio Gaia' mailto:k_koulos@p... mailto:k_koulos@w... http://radiogaia.aua.gr ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Debra Wilson' To: Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:35 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38176 Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman Utch Entel utch_entel Sat 1/11/2003 2 KB 38178 Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Sat 1/11/2003 2 KB 38179 Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/12/2003 3 KB From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:51 pm Subject: RE: Trouble ripping Sohoman Hi, Debra! I use AudioCatalyst for ripping CDs, and it ripped my copy of Sohoman just fine... ...my CD drive is a Plextor, though, and rumour has it that Plextor drives are pretty fair. So far I haven't come across a CD I haven't been able to rip. ...Utch --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' --Theodore Roosevelt Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38178 Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Sat 1/11/2003 2 KB 38179 Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/12/2003 3 KB From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:44 pm Subject: TD CD's from Astoria concert wanted, plus Weetabix and Twiglets Message: 12 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:10:33 -0500 (EST) From: Jonathan Holt Subject: Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos --- TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > > > 2. specials: we will have a special release ready > for the show of > previously unavailable material. This will be on > sale at the Astoria for > the first time and will not be reprinted in this > form. Is anyone planning on buying more than one copy of this? As I'm stuck in Canada, I would gladly reimburse someone if they could get me a copy and mail it over. Feel free to contact me off-list. Thanks. Jonnnyboy. From: 'Micke Stark Runsten' This sounds great, but I have no chance going to the gig, (stucked in Sweden with family). Can anyone help me out and pick up some goodies for me. Feel free to contact me off-list. Many thanx, Micke I have to add myself to this list, which much regret. I would dearly love to come over to London for the concert, but on this occasion I will have to stay put in Poland. I shall dearly miss seeing you guys as you were a good laugh back at Shepherd's Bush two years ago. So, any of the Polish gang going? (3N, Piotr S. Millenium, Jarek Wiktorowicz, Jacek Szulc, Lord Rayden, etc etc). If so, can any of you pick up some goodies? In this case, I'm only after CD's. Oh, and pick up a box of Weetabix and a packet of Twiglets whilst you're there too ;-) Please let me know off list! Regards Roger Hartopp ***************r-e-k-l-a-m-a************** Chcesz oszczedzic na kosztach obslugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38199 Re: TD CD's from Astoria concert wanted, plus Weetabix and Twiglets jjank@w... jjank_66 Mon 1/13/2003 5 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 11:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Trouble ripping Sohoman hey folks, please move this conversation offlist. I hope this is a helpful suggestion: try http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cdhotline/ Thanks and have a nice day! Joe > -----Original Message----- ...ripping CDs... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38179 Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/12/2003 3 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 12:16 am Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Trouble ripping Sohoman It's off-list already... :-) Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joe@t...] Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 3:27 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Trouble ripping Sohoman hey folks, please move this conversation offlist. I hope this is a helpful suggestion: try http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cdhotline/ Thanks and have a nice day! Joe > -----Original Message----- ...ripping CDs... ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Roy Teale <3dlux@3...> Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 6:36 pm Subject: [tadream] Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman I had a Pergamon cd (CAROL CD 1) not let me rip it. Same behavior as yours. I finally gave up and took it to work where one of their fancy schmancy Sony VAIO computers was able to rip it. I now have an 'un-copy protected' version of Pergamon. BTW, the original had absolutely no scratches on it. Roy -------Original Message------- From: quarlie@a... Sent: 01/11/03 12:58 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: Trouble ripping Sohoman > > In a message dated 1/11/03 5:18:32 AM, the_singing_goat@a... writes: >Today (well, yesterday, technicaly) I was looking thru the used cd rack >at the Wherehouse, and came across this one: Tangerine Dream - Sohoman; Live >iN Sydney 1982 Part One, produced by Edgar Froese. >Now after I bought this lovely little cd, and went to rip me a backup copy >to store away with my other zillion albums, I ran into a problem- it won't >rip! The year on it is 1999, so before the world got crazy with copy-protect >b.s.. >I can see all 5 audio files in the disc in explorer, but I can't copy them, >and they don't appear in CDex, it shows as a blank disk there. >Anyone have this cd from maybe the same release that has had this problem >or gotten past it with a simular problem? Although I don't own Sohoman, I have experienced inability to rip some CDs - the program would start the process, but never successfully read any audio, and eventually give up. However, in all cases to date, I was able to rip them on a different computer with the same software. I guess it must have been something to do with the drive. So try on another computer if possible. --Daniel NP: Pressurehed - Sudden Vertigo ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From: 'Herbert' Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 2:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [TT3] Number of SHN disks Some clarification (as I have already received an question about that subject and to prevent further ones). There was a set of TT2 SHNs which was faulty, this went out to 2 guys (including Maff for test purposes). They have been withdrawn by me and I never asked for any compensation for those CDs. The SHNs that have been distributed in TT2 and the redbooks I've duplicated for TT2 (and TT3) have been ripped using EAC using the same hardware for all these rippings. I never received any complains concering the CDs distributed in TT2 (SHN and redbook ones). You are right: It would eliminate the possibilty of ripping and duplication errors if the SHN distribution would be produced from the original files and not by ripping audio CDs which are produced using those files. The CDs (to my knowledge) are 'converted' twice. Currently Heiko receives (only) audio CDs which are used for the further distribution (including the SHN part of the tree). BTW: Sometimes I ask myself how many (ripping and duplication) errors do enter the redbooks during the duplication process in the distribution. Greetings Herbert > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Jeff Lester [mailto:jeff.lester@t...] > Gesendet: Samstag, 11. Januar 2003 00:30 > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: [tadream] Re: [TT3] Number of SHN disks > > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Matthew Sawyer' > > Btw, can I ask if you're using EAC to rip the audio? The first > batch of SHN > > discs for TT2 were ripped with Audiograbber at insanely high-speeds > and had some > > major glitches. > > And if I may ask, why is there any ripping going on at all? Why can't > the SHN files be generated from the original WAVs (by Heiko?) before > any audio CDR generation exists? > > -Jeff Lester > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Glynn Naughton ' Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 12:53 pm Subject: TD in different styles Here's a question: Given the current fashion for reworking classic rock albums/tracks in different styles (the last year or so has seen a country CD of _The Wall_, reggae CD of _Dark Side of the Moon_ and Dixieland jazz CD of AC/DC's best-known songs), which TD album would benefit best from treatment in which style? Or which would provoke the biggest laugh? (Which is after all the point of these comedy CDs.) Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38184 Re: TD in different styles Olav Neander autopoiesis_norway Sun 1/12/2003 2 KB 38186 RE : [tadream] TD in different styles Fred Yargui fredyargui Sun 1/12/2003 2 KB 38187 Re: RE : [tadream] TD in different styles Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Sun 1/12/2003 2 KB 38188 RE : RE : [tadream] TD in different styles Fred Yargui fredyargui Sun 1/12/2003 3 KB 38189 Re: RE : RE : [tadream] TD in different styles Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Sun 1/12/2003 4 KB 38190 Re: RE : RE : [tadream] TD in different styles Olav Neander autopoiesis_norway Sun 1/12/2003 2 KB 38200 Re: TD in different styles Glynn Naughton From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 9:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD CD's from Astoria concert > > 2. specials: we will have a special release ready > > for the show of > > previously unavailable material. This will be on > > sale at the Astoria for > > the first time and will not be reprinted in this > > form. The words 'in this format' suddendly caught my attention... so what does this mean? To-be-rare CD versions of yet unreleased Groud Liftaz material which shall appear later on LP? Something in the fashion of the Sheperds Bush CD, with the material perhaps making a reappearence later on some collection? Classic live shows which will not be officially released again, but which may already exist as good quality fantapes? A The Keep-ish sneaky release of material held by copyrights? Dream Mixes versions of some Tangents overdubs? Songs From Edgar's Bathtub? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: Olav Neander Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 11:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD in different styles Glynn Naughton schrieb: >Given the current fashion for reworking classic rock >albums/tracks in different styles > ...in addition there is a CD with latin cover versions of Kraftwerk... >which TD album would benefit best >from treatment in which style? Or which would provoke >the biggest laugh? > Probably Stratosfear :-) Believe it or not, but I found already a Midifile on the internet with a Reggae version of 'Big Sleep...'! Olav Electronic Dreamscapes from Norway - http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38186 RE : [tadream] TD in different styles Fred Yargui fredyargui Sun 1/12/2003 2 KB 38187 Re: RE : [tadream] TD in different styles Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Sun 1/12/2003 2 KB 38188 RE : RE : [tadream] TD in different styles Fred Yargui fredyargui Sun 1/12/2003 3 KB 38189 Re: RE : RE : [tadream] TD in different styles Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Sun 1/12/2003 4 KB 38190 Re: RE : RE : [tadream] TD in different styles Olav Neander autopoiesis_norway Sun 1/12/2003 2 KB 38200 Re: TD in different styles Glynn Naughton From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 12:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: [TT3] Number of SHN disks From: 'Herbert' > Some clarification (as I have already received an question about that > subject and to prevent further ones). My apologies if I've caused a problem. As I mentioned, my comments on the TT2 SHN discs were never intended to go to the group. I simply wanted to check with Michael Berling (who is doing the TT3 SHNs) that EAC was being used for accurate ripping. If I were posting those comments in public, I would have made it clear that it was only the first 'preview' batch of SHN discs that had problems. The final versions you all received were, as far as I know, perfect. One other minor thing; those early TT2 SHN discs I received were not for testing purposes. I was asked to upload them (about 4-5 gigs worth) through my home DSL to an FTP server for group downloading. (IIRC the FTP system didn't pan out in the end). As for TT3, the SHN discs are being handled correctly. While it would be kinda nice to get the SHN files direct from the remasterers, it is a bit unfeasable and IMHO unnecessary. The purpose of the SHN versions here is to prevent errors creeping in further down the Tree, not right at the top. As long as the master audio disc copies are on good quality media, and the ripping process is handled correctly, no information will be lost and no errors will occur. Maff From: 'Fred Yargui' Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:14 pm Subject: RE : [tadream] TD in different styles > Believe it or not, but I found > already a Midifile on the internet with a Reggae version of > 'Big Sleep...'! Hello, Olav and dreamers, There exist also some others arrangements like this one in midifiles... Great job (who did them ?) Dolphin Dance Mojave Plan Monolight Dream Regards, Fred Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38187 Re: RE : [tadream] TD in different styles Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Sun 1/12/2003 2 KB 38188 RE : RE : [tadream] TD in different styles Fred Yargui fredyargui Sun 1/12/2003 3 KB 38189 Re: RE : RE : [tadream] TD in different styles Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Sun 1/12/2003 4 KB 38190 Re: RE : RE : [tadream] TD in different styles Olav Neander autopoiesis_norway Sun 1/12/2003 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 7:33 pm Subject: RE: RE : [tadream] TD in different styles http://tadream.net/midi.htm > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Yargui [mailto:fredericyargui@w...] > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:14 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE : [tadream] TD in different styles > > > > > Believe it or not, but I found > > already a Midifile on the internet with a Reggae version of > > 'Big Sleep...'! > > > Hello, Olav and dreamers, > > There exist also some others arrangements like this one in midifiles... > Great job (who did them ?) > Dolphin Dance > Mojave Plan > Monolight > > Dream Regards, > > Fred > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38188 RE : RE : [tadream] TD in different styles Fred Yargui fredyargui Sun 1/12/2003 3 KB 38189 Re: RE : RE : [tadream] TD in different styles Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Sun 1/12/2003 4 KB 38190 Re: RE : RE : [tadream] TD in different styles Olav Neander autopoiesis_norway Sun 1/12/2003 2 KB From: 'Fred Yargui' Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 7:40 pm Subject: RE : RE : [tadream] TD in different styles Hi, Joe ! As simple as tadream.net ;o) All these midifiles are not arranged like the one Alav spoke about, right ? Good night, Fred > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Joe Shoults [mailto:joe@t...] > Envoyé : dimanche 12 janvier 2003 20:33 > À : tadream@yahoogroups.com > Objet : RE: RE : [tadream] TD in different styles > > > http://tadream.net/midi.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fred Yargui [mailto:fredericyargui@w...] > > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:14 PM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE : [tadream] TD in different styles > > > > > > > > > Believe it or not, but I found > > > already a Midifile on the internet with a Reggae version of > > > 'Big Sleep...'! > > > > > > Hello, Olav and dreamers, > > > > There exist also some others arrangements like this one in > > midifiles... Great job (who did them ?) Dolphin Dance > > Mojave Plan > > Monolight > > > > Dream Regards, > > > > Fred > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38189 Re: RE : RE : [tadream] TD in different styles Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Sun 1/12/2003 4 KB 38190 Re: RE : RE : [tadream] TD in different styles Olav Neander autopoiesis_norway Sun 1/12/2003 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 7:49 pm Subject: RE: RE : RE : [tadream] TD in different styles dunno. if not, I'll be happy to add them to the list if someone provides them. J > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Yargui [mailto:fredericyargui@w...] > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 2:41 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE : RE : [tadream] TD in different styles > > > Hi, Joe ! > > As simple as tadream.net ;o) > > All these midifiles are not arranged like the one Alav spoke about, > right ? > > Good night, > > Fred > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : Joe Shoults [mailto:joe@t...] > > Envoyé : dimanche 12 janvier 2003 20:33 > > À : tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Objet : RE: RE : [tadream] TD in different styles > > > > > > http://tadream.net/midi.htm > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Fred Yargui [mailto:fredericyargui@w...] > > > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:14 PM > > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE : [tadream] TD in different styles > > > > > > > > > > > > > Believe it or not, but I found > > > > already a Midifile on the internet with a Reggae version of > > > > 'Big Sleep...'! > > > > > > > > > Hello, Olav and dreamers, > > > > > > There exist also some others arrangements like this one in > > > midifiles... Great job (who did them ?) Dolphin Dance > > > Mojave Plan > > > Monolight > > > > > > Dream Regards, > > > > > > Fred > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Olav Neander Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 8:39 pm Subject: Re: RE : RE : [tadream] TD in different styles Fred Yargui schrieb: >All these midifiles are not arranged like the one Alav spoke about, >right ? > Yes, the one I spoke about is there: http://tadream.net/midi/TANGERINE/Big_Sleep_In_The_Search_For_Hades_(Reggea_Styl\ e)_(Tanger%7E2CA.mid Hehe, and som other funny arrangements... White Eagle Bossanova and Dolphin Dance Reggae :-) Olav Electronic Dreamscapes from Norway - http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis - ICQ# 9622825 From: PENFOLD Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 8:37 pm Subject: OT: Re: [tadream] TD in different styles At 2003.01.11-12:53, Glynn Naughton wrote: >Given the current fashion for reworking classic rock albums/tracks in >different styles (the last year or so has seen a country CD of _The Wall_, >reggae CD of _Dark Side of the Moon_ and Dixieland jazz CD of AC/DC's >best-known songs), which TD album would benefit best from treatment in >which style? Or which would provoke >the biggest laugh? (Which is after all the point of these comedy CDs.) Some other (mis)treatments come to mind: _Lounge Against the Machine_ - Richard Cheese (lounge music arrangements of Alternative Rock hits (i.e. 'Fight For Your Right' by the Beastie Boys)) _EZ Listening Music Vols 1 & 2_ - Devo (Devo does their own hits in the style of Muzak/Elevator _Merry Xmas from the Space Age Bachelor Pad_ - Juan Garcia Esquivel of course there's the comedic mis-treatment of *everything* by PDQ Bach. My fave is 'Prelude to Einstein on the Fritz (s.# E=mc2)' to be found on _1712 Overture & Other Musical Assaults_ where Prof. Shickele does a wonderful job of sending up Philip Glass Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38193 Re: OT: Re: [tadream] TD in different styles TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Mon 1/13/2003 3 KB From: jerome Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 9:22 am Subject: [tadream] Warning: Yahoo Snoops thought this might be of interest to some... jerome ---------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo is now using something called 'Web Beacons' to track Yahoo Group users around the net and see what you're doing - similar to cookies. Take a look at their updated privacy statement: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/pixels/details.html About half-way down the page, in the section 'Outside the Yahoo! Network', you'll see a little 'click here' link that will let you opt-out of their new method of snooping. I recommend doing this. Once you have clicked that link, you are opted out. 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ID Date Size 38194 Re: Warning: Yahoo Snoops Debra Wilson goatsong99 Mon 1/13/2003 4 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 10:32 am Subject: Re: OT: Re: [tadream] TD in different styles > > > _Lounge Against the Machine_ - Richard Cheese (lounge music >arrangements of Alternative Rock hits (i.e. 'Fight For Your Right' by the >Beastie Boys)) > _EZ Listening Music Vols 1 & 2_ - Devo (Devo does their own hits >in the style of Muzak/Elevator > _Merry Xmas from the Space Age Bachelor Pad_ - Juan Garcia Esquivel >*What about the Latino versions of Kraftwerk songs by Senor Coconut? ;-) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 1:30 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Warning: Yahoo Snoops This is browser specific, so each time you use a diff. computer or browser, you will need to opt out again.. I have heard it is cookie related. Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: jerome [mailto:ssaalyersjj@y...] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 1:23 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Warning: Yahoo Snoops thought this might be of interest to some... jerome ---------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo is now using something called 'Web Beacons' to track Yahoo Group users around the net and see what you're doing - similar to cookies. Take a look at their updated privacy statement: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/pixels/details.html About half-way down the page, in the section 'Outside the Yahoo! Network', you'll see a little 'click here' link that will let you opt-out of their new method of snooping. I recommend doing this. Once you have clicked that link, you are opted out. Notice the 'Success' message the top the next page. Be careful because on that page there is a 'Cancel Opt-out' button that, if clicked, will *undo** the opt- out. Feel free to forward this to other groups. **************************************************************************** ************************* --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Rainer Rutka Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 1:39 pm Subject: one spare ticket for the London concert and some help wanted! Hi! I have one spare ticket for the London TD concert at the Astoria on the 15th of Feburary. My girlfriend can`t come with me :-( BTW: I`d like to get some informations about a hotel in the Astoria neighbourhood. I got my ticket(s) today and reserved the flight, too (Euro 98,- from Friedrichshafen to London and retour), but my hotel reservation is missing so far. Any help would be appreciated! CU, Rainer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rainer Rutka E -Mail : rainer@k... Griesseggstrasse 27 D Handy : +49 (0)175 / 52 50 402 Telefon : +49 (0)7531 29842 D-78462 Konstanz - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.k-r.de www.rutka.de - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38197 Re: one spare ticket for the London concert and some help wanted! David Wakefield bolosun Mon 1/13/2003 4 KB 38225 Re: one spare ticket for the London concert and some help wanted! Glynn Naughton From: David Hughes Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 1:20 pm Subject: Re: TD in different styles Hello all, Martin wrote : > *What about the Latino versions of Kraftwerk songs by Senor Coconut? ;-) I was given a copy of this at Christmas. Probably the quickest and most effective way yet discovered by man to totally wreck that Christmas good-vibe feeling. Yak! You have to ask 'what could be worse?' ?:) I'd rather listen to Edgar playing the theme to Streethawk on a kazoo. Regards David -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ --- Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ --- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38224 Re: TD in different styles tony.vandergaag@p... symfoon Tue 1/14/2003 3 KB From: 'David Wakefield' Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 2:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] one spare ticket for the London concert and some help wanted! My wife are staying at one of the hilton's for £99 for the night. Have a look at there web page and use www.yell.com to find the locations in London. Dave W -------Original Message------- From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 13, 2003 13:40:05 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] one spare ticket for the London concert and some help wanted! Hi! I have one spare ticket for the London TD concert at the Astoria on the 15th of Feburary. My girlfriend can`t come with me :-( BTW: I`d like to get some informations about a hotel in the Astoria neighbourhood. I got my ticket(s) today and reserved the flight, too (Euro 98,- from Friedrichshafen to London and retour), but my hotel reservation is missing so far. Any help would be appreciated! CU, Rainer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rainer Rutka E -Mail : rainer@k... Griesseggstrasse 27 D Handy : +49 (0)175 / 52 50 402 Telefon : +49 (0)7531 29842 D-78462 Konstanz - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.k-r.de www.rutka.de - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38225 Re: one spare ticket for the London concert and some help wanted! Glynn Naughton From: tony.vandergaag@p... Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 8:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Why??? Hi Jan, it if makes you feel any better..... i live in holland, infact i'm a neighbour of Edgar ;-)), and they only played holland twice !!!! in 30 years..... tony/rotterdam Citeren Pergamon : > Hi Martin > > Maybe you can answer the total mystery..........Why is it that > Tangerine Dream has never played in Denmark or Scandinavia for that > matter?????? > > Do we smell bad or????...................=O) > > Regards > Jan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD CD's from Astoria concert wanted, plus Weetabix and Twiglets Hi, it is my problem, too. Unfortunatley I am not able to go to the Astoria concert. :-( It would be very kind if any (German?) fan is willing to buy something for me. Best regards Jörg tadream@yahoogroups.com schrieb am 11.01.03 23:36:23: > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:10:33 -0500 (EST) > From: Jonathan Holt > Subject: Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos > > --- TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak > wrote: > > > > > 2. specials: we will have a special release ready > > for the show of > > previously unavailable material. This will be on > > sale at the Astoria for > > the first time and will not be reprinted in this > > form. > > Is anyone planning on buying more than one copy of this? As I'm stuck in > Canada, I would gladly reimburse > someone if they could get me a copy and mail it over. > Feel free to contact me off-list. > > Thanks. > Jonnnyboy. > > From: 'Micke Stark Runsten' > This sounds great, but I have no chance going to the gig, > (stucked in Sweden with family). Can anyone help me out and > pick up some goodies for me. > Feel free to contact me off-list. > > Many thanx, Micke > > I have to add myself to this list, which much regret. > > I would dearly love to come over to London for the concert, but on this > occasion I will have to stay put in Poland. I shall dearly miss seeing you > guys as you were a good laugh back at Shepherd's Bush two years ago. > > So, any of the Polish gang going? (3N, Piotr S. Millenium, Jarek > Wiktorowicz, Jacek Szulc, Lord Rayden, etc etc). If so, can any of you pick > up some goodies? In this case, I'm only after CD's. Oh, and pick up a box of > Weetabix and a packet of Twiglets whilst you're there too ;-) Please let me > know off list! > > Regards > Roger Hartopp > > > > > ***************r-e-k-l-a-m-a************** > > Chcesz oszczedzic na kosztach obslugi bankowej ? > mBIZNES - konto dla firm > http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________________ Mit der Gruppen-SMS von WEB.DE FreeMail erreichen Sie mit einem Klick alle Freunde gleichzeitig! http://freemail.web.de/features/?mc=021180 From: 'Glynn Naughton ' Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 1:01 pm Subject: Re: TD in different styles --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Olav Neander wrote: > Probably Stratosfear :-) Believe it or not, but I found already a > Midifile on the internet with a Reggae version of 'Big Sleep...'! > > Olav > Electronic Dreamscapes from Norway - http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis It was me who did that a few years ago with the _Band in a Box_ software. Somewhere out there there's also a swing jazz 'Monolight', bossa nova 'White Eagle' and C & W 'Streethawk' :-) Glynn From: Wade Gordon Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 8:20 pm Subject: Off Topic-Sound Explorer Update. Hopefully if the mail is running smoothly there will be new programs starting Wednesday for 'Sound Explorer.' Last Wednesday during my program in the 9 o'clock hour the website crashed due to over 56,000 people hitting the site. Every time we restarted it it crashed and it wasn't until 10 a.m. the next day that we had to install new equipment to handle the vast amount of people listening. Today, if you click on to listenachievesrchieves it is rather slow do to congestion. But it works. Be that as it may, Wednesday's program should be music from the album and c.d. 'The In Sound From Way Out' that was remastered and retitled, 'The Out Sound From Way In' performed by Perry & Kingsley from Vangard Records. There is a little know fract that Lawrence Welk enjoyed this kind of music and so put it on his 'Vangaurd Records.' It seems that he was a panel guest on a chat show and I think either Perry or Kingsley was also on and he signed the dynamic duo. Wade __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38877 Off Topic-Sound Explorer Update. Wade Gordon mindvoyager1 Sun 2/9/2003 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 8:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD in different styles I'd love to hear a few complete orchestra adaptations (ie. no electronics) of some TD pieces, especially these: Ricochet pt 2 Atem Rubycon (whole) Sorcerer (bits and pieces) Tangram Set 1 Logos pt 1 --- Also, today at a dance lesson I heard a tango piece that had a piano line exactly like the 1st sequence from Monolight. Of course I don't remember its name right now... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 9:21 pm Subject: TT3 praises just finished listening to tt3 irvine '86--simply amazing--the resolution of the guitar and piano bits just shine through--way better than the blue moon records release (which still sounds like it was recorded on videotape to me) and miles above that old tape I had. Thanks to everyone involved. Now on to East Berlin '80. --T _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From: 'Pergamon' Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 9:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Why??? Hi Tony Thanks for your sympathy.............=O) ............and hopefully you experienced both concerts in Holland. In the end it will only be Tangerine Dreams loss. Thankfully there are other bands which can satisfy my need for live EM-music, by playing here in Denmark. It is just sad, the fans in f.ex. Denmark does not have the experience of TD playing in their country. It is allways a something special when a preferred band plays in ones own part of the world. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Why??? > Hi Jan, > > it if makes you feel any better..... > > i live in holland, infact i'm a neighbour of Edgar ;-)), > and they only played holland twice !!!! in 30 years..... > > tony/rotterdam > > Citeren Pergamon : > > > Hi Martin > > > > Maybe you can answer the total mystery..........Why is it that > > Tangerine Dream has never played in Denmark or Scandinavia for that > > matter?????? > > > > Do we smell bad or????...................=O) > > > > Regards > > Jan > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38206 Re: Why??? Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Tue 1/14/2003 2 KB 38207 Re: Why??? coldwatercanyon tangram80 Tue 1/14/2003 3 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 11:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] recording limitations ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Admin' > Does anyone remember the max level a vinyl recording could do(track)? > Has anyone examine the Rubycon CD's with the original vinyl recording and > the levels they both contain? To me it just seems the CD is hotter. Maybe > the level is higher. If so then would not the soft parts also be raised a > bit or is it compressed? The max level of an LP has nothing to do with your perception of the CD sounding hotter. In fact, LPs HAD NO MAX VALUE! Yes, conditions could cause the needle to jump the groove if amplitudes, frequency content, phase relationships, program content, etc. combined in a bad way. But an LP with a lot of playing time had to be cut softer than an LP that had a shorter playing time. Yes, there was a volume vs. playing time relationship. So the max volume on one LP could be VASTLY different from the max volume of another LP. What most people don't realize, aside from the RIAA curve being applied to all LPs (reduce bass at the cutting lathe and boosting bass at playback, etc.), when an LP was mixed, it then was mastered to fit on an LP. Band limiting EQ, compression, volume setting, etc. were done to final mixes to make the master tapes used to drive cutting lathes. Early CDs used these master tapes in order to get product on the shelves in a hurry. Later, mix tapes were used so that LP mastering that limited bandwidth and dynamic range wouldn't be strangling the music we hear on CD. What you need to ask is: How was the LP mastered and how was the CD you heard mastered and how did these differ? If there were multiple issues of the CD, were there different mastering techniques used? CD has wider dynamic range than LPs do so compression isn't required. But we grew up listening to LPs which were very much compressed and we grew accustomed to hearing music that way. Plus (commercial) radio needs a hot signal to maximize its audience size, hence the price it can charge for advertising, hence its profits. Were any of these and other considerations taken into account when the CD you have was mastered? And you thought you asked a simple question! :-) Cheers, Bill Fox's Den Recording http://foxesden.us Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38209 Re: recording limitations billythefish01 billythefish01 Tue 1/14/2003 5 KB 38252 Re: recording limitations Matthew Stringer Wed 1/15/2003 6 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 2:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Why??? >(...)It is just sad, the fans in f.ex. Denmark does not have the >experience of TD playing in their country. --- Jan hah! don't tell me about it... gj np. tyger (it's GOOOD!) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38207 Re: Why??? coldwatercanyon tangram80 Tue 1/14/2003 3 KB From: coldwatercanyon Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 3:15 am Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Why??? Why? Warum? Por Que? Wei Shen Me? Can go on and on...why TD did not tour the Far East after 1983 in Japan? Its about 20 yrs...why not to Hong Kong? why not to China...why not to my...hum...[back to silence] Jeffrey -----Original Message----- From: Gustavo Jobim To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Why??? Date: Tue Jan 14 10:17:37 HKT 2003 >(...)It is just sad, the fans in f.ex. Denmark does not have the >experience of TD playing in their country. --- Jan hah! don't tell me about it... gj np. tyger (it's GOOOD!) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@s... ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ -------------------- This email service is provided by So-net HK. Apply Now to be our members. From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 7:24 am Subject: Desperately seeking Joe Joe Shoults, please contact me off-list.... Heiko From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 9:51 am Subject: Re: recording limitations Although I have always been a bit of a vinyl snob (and still prefer that format over CD - I had 65 CDs before buying my first player!) this information is fascinating and confirms why I am beginning to prefer some (particularly EM) CDs over vinyl for sound. I was very lucky whilst in HMV the other day to find the SACD release of Rubycon, and although I have yet to purchase an SACD player, its sound when played on a standard CD player is stunning when compared to my old OVED vinyl release. I am really looking forward to the day that multi-channel TD music is available. Surely the next step? TTFN, BTF --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Bill Fox' wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Admin' > > Does anyone remember the max level a vinyl recording could do (track)? > > Has anyone examine the Rubycon CD's with the original vinyl recording and > > the levels they both contain? To me it just seems the CD is hotter. Maybe > > the level is higher. If so then would not the soft parts also be raised a > > bit or is it compressed? > > The max level of an LP has nothing to do with your perception of the CD sounding > hotter. In fact, LPs HAD NO MAX VALUE! Yes, conditions could cause the needle > to jump the groove if amplitudes, frequency content, phase relationships, > program content, etc. combined in a bad way. But an LP with a lot of playing > time had to be cut softer than an LP that had a shorter playing time. Yes, > there was a volume vs. playing time relationship. So the max volume on one LP > could be VASTLY different from the max volume of another LP. What most people > don't realize, aside from the RIAA curve being applied to all LPs (reduce bass > at the cutting lathe and boosting bass at playback, etc.), when an LP was mixed, > it then was mastered to fit on an LP. Band limiting EQ, compression, volume > setting, etc. were done to final mixes to make the master tapes used to drive > cutting lathes. Early CDs used these master tapes in order to get product on > the shelves in a hurry. Later, mix tapes were used so that LP mastering that > limited bandwidth and dynamic range wouldn't be strangling the music we hear on > CD. What you need to ask is: How was the LP mastered and how was the CD you > heard mastered and how did these differ? If there were multiple issues of the > CD, were there different mastering techniques used? CD has wider dynamic range > than LPs do so compression isn't required. But we grew up listening to LPs > which were very much compressed and we grew accustomed to hearing music that > way. Plus (commercial) radio needs a hot signal to maximize its audience size, > hence the price it can charge for advertising, hence its profits. Were any of > these and other considerations taken into account when the CD you have was > mastered? > > And you thought you asked a simple question! :-) > > Cheers, > > Bill > Fox's Den Recording > http://foxesden.us Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38252 Re: recording limitations Matthew Stringer Wed 1/15/2003 6 KB From: 'gilleshemery2002 ' Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 12:09 pm Subject: A NEW TANGERINE DREAM MIDI FILE----www.gilleshemery.fr.fm 2 week ago, I add in my site a new midi file: The first part of Mojave plan. This midi file lasts more 8 mns. I tried to restitute the most details of this part. thanks Gilles my weeb site is: www.gilleshemery.fr.fm From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 11:57 am Subject: Appeal to the British contingent I haven't heard from anyone on the Polish side, so I'm now going to appeal directly to the Brits. This is one Brit, now ensconced in Poland and unable to make it to the concert (boo hoo), but wants any unreleased TD cd's that might be available at the concert. Can anyone help out? Obviously we'll sort out payments, etc, but in this case, to make it easy for you, the disc(s) can be mailed to a British address. If any Brits can help me out please I would be eternally grateful! (off-list, of course). Regards Roger Hartopp gmroger@p... --------------r-e-k-l-a-m-a----------------- Miliony czekaja na Ciebie w Internecie! htp://republika.onet.pl/2,oferta.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Micke Stark Runsten' Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 1:03 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos > 2. specials: we will have a special release ready for the show of > previously unavailable material. This will be on sale at the Astoria for > the first time and will not be reprinted in this form. > We will also have an array of rare and sought-after items for sale, plus > the usual array of T-Shirts, CD´s and watches. > This sounds great, but I have no chance going to the gig, (stucked in Sweden with family). Can anyone help me out and pick up some goodies for me (only CD´s). Feel free to contact me off-list. Many thanx, Micke ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 1:09 pm Subject: E-Live 2003 Hi all, The first 3 acts for the E-Live 2003 festival are certain: RADIO MASSACRE INTERNATIONAL NAVIGATOR ERIC VAN DER HEIJDEN The 4th act for the main stage will be announced soon. We're busy with 2 other acts who will perform during the intervals. Date: September 27, 2003 Full details on www.groove.nl Click on E-LIVE 2003 Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten, Kees GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music) Kees Aerts PO Box 2171 NL-8203 AD Lelystad Phone: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910 http://www.groove.nl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 1:31 pm Subject: RE: SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos I wonder if there is any chance that any leftovers will be available from TDI directly? MJ Original Message: ----------------- From: Micke Stark Runsten micke.stark@g... Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:03:13 +0100 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos > 2. specials: we will have a special release ready for the show of > previously unavailable material. This will be on sale at the Astoria for > the first time and will not be reprinted in this form. > We will also have an array of rare and sought-after items for sale, plus > the usual array of T-Shirts, CD´s and watches. > This sounds great, but I have no chance going to the gig, (stucked in Sweden with family). Can anyone help me out and pick up some goodies for me (only CD´s). Feel free to contact me off-list. Many thanx, Micke ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38216 Re: SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos billythefish01 billythefish01 Tue 1/14/2003 4 KB 38217 Re: SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Tue 1/14/2003 3 KB From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 1:36 pm Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Why??? Oops re-read my message again looks a bit like a rant not really was typing this at office with boss approaching... But, seriously, the economic conditions worldwide simply do not favour organizing of concerts...too much business risks...its not hard to imagine why TD only play at London or at certain parts of Germany these days... Also, when will we have again an internet 'stream' broadcast (my new computer will arrive in 1 or 2 days and I will definitely install 'FlashGet' ;-) and maybe an interactive chat (with webcam)? Jeffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: coldwatercanyon To: Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:15 AM Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Why??? > Why? Warum? Por Que? Wei Shen Me? Can go on and on...why TD did not tour the Far East after 1983 in Japan? Its about 20 yrs...why not to Hong Kong? why not to China...why not to my...hum...[back to silence] > > Jeffrey > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gustavo Jobim > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Why??? > Date: Tue Jan 14 10:17:37 HKT 2003 > > > >(...)It is just sad, the fans in f.ex. Denmark does not have the > >experience of TD playing in their country. --- Jan > > hah! > don't tell me about it... > > gj np. tyger (it's GOOOD!) > > Gustavo Jobim > gustavojobim@s... > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- > This email service is provided by So-net HK. Apply Now to be our members. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 1:52 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos @Martin: there are an awful lot of these requests to collect extra goodies. Back at one of the Shepherd's Bush concerts (I forget which one), the limited addition CD was rationed to one each. I hope this will not be the case at the Astoria as there will be a lot of very disappointed people! Perhaps you could confirm what the policy would be? Many thanks, BTF --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'michaeljean@e...' wrote: > I wonder if there is any chance that any leftovers will be available from > TDI directly? > > MJ > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Micke Stark Runsten micke.stark@g... > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:03:13 +0100 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos > > > > 2. specials: we will have a special release ready for the show of > > previously unavailable material. This will be on sale at the Astoria for > > the first time and will not be reprinted in this form. > > We will also have an array of rare and sought-after items for sale, plus > > the usual array of T-Shirts, CD´s and watches. > > > > This sounds great, but I have no chance going to the gig, > (stucked in Sweden with family). Can anyone help me out and > pick up some goodies for me (only CD´s). > Feel free to contact me off-list. > > Many thanx, > > Micke > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- - > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38217 Re: SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Tue 1/14/2003 3 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 1:59 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos At 13:52 14.01.03, you wrote: >@Martin: there are an awful lot of these requests to collect extra >goodies. Back at one of the Shepherd's Bush concerts (I forget which >one), the limited addition CD was rationed to one each. I hope this >will not be the case at the Astoria as there will be a lot of very >disappointed people! Perhaps you could confirm what the policy would >be? > >Many thanks, > >BTF Dear Billy, items will not be rationed... if we sell them all at the gig ... fine. :-) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 3:23 pm Subject: Astoria Feb 15th (Great Help wanted please) Hello everyone As i won't be there for the Tangerine Dream concert, is there anyone who can buy a copy of the special CD for me ? I hope there is someone who can help me for this. Many thanks in advance. Best wishes. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38219 Re: Astoria Feb 15th Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Tue 1/14/2003 2 KB 39685 Ruling the waves Paul Fellows paulfellowstd Mon 3/10/2003 2 KB 39687 Re: Ruling the waves billythefish01 billythefish01 Mon 3/10/2003 2 KB 39688 Re: Ruling the waves Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Mon 3/10/2003 2 KB 39702 Re: Ruling the waves TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Tue 3/11/2003 3 KB 39731 Re: Ruling the waves davespicer99 davespicer99 Wed 3/12/2003 2 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 3:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th Second request! Anyone (man, woman, beast, alien-bloblike-thingy) who can help me out with getting the limited edition cd at the concert next month, please let me know. I'm in Canada but I have a UK address which can be used for mailing (thanks, Mum!) and I would reimburse the person in question, of course. Please drop me a line @ plantpot_73@y... Cheers, Jonnyboy ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: 'Tom Richmond' Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 3:54 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales III sign-ups Hello everyone! Since I'm awaiting a replacement disc from Yannick, I thought I'd keep the sign-ups open a while longer. (Plus I only have 50 so far, and thought there would be more...) So if you're interested in getting on the tree for 'Dreamwatchers' Tales, Episode III - Pictures Beyond Dreams', now is the time. It'll be two redbook CDRs, for those who like to know such things. If you're interested, please send the following information to trichmond@b...: Name email address City/State/Country leaf status Note: at this point I have enough branch volunteers to handle a tree about twice as large as I have so far, so I don't really need branch sign-ups anymore, EXCEPT in the UK, where I only have leaves signed up so far. If you need further information, please contact me. Cheers! Tom Richmond Menomonee Falls, WI ____________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you received this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and such actions may be unlawful. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38229 Re: Dreamwatchers' Tales III sign-ups Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Tue 1/14/2003 2 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 4:12 pm Subject: Re: if you sacd so If you have or have access to a dvd player, you should try your sacd disc on that, as it is my understanding that all dvd players use 24-bit converters. :-) <<' Subject: Re: recording limitations Although I have always been a bit of a vinyl snob (and still prefer that format over CD - I had 65 CDs before buying my first player!) this information is fascinating and confirms why I am beginning to prefer some (particularly EM) CDs over vinyl for sound. I was very lucky whilst in HMV the other day to find the SACD release of Rubycon, and although I have yet to purchase an SACD player, its sound when played on a standard CD player is stunning when compared to my old OVED vinyl release. I am really looking forward to the day that multi-channel TD music is available. Surely the next step? TTFN, BTF>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38230 Re: if you sacd so John Marchington johnmarch1938 Wed 1/15/2003 4 KB 38232 Re: if you sacd so billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 1/15/2003 4 KB 38261 Re: if you sacd so dustych dustych Wed 1/15/2003 3 KB 38267 Re: if you sacd so John Marchington johnmarch1938 Thu 1/16/2003 4 KB 38268 Re: if you sacd so John Marchington johnmarch1938 Thu 1/16/2003 6 KB 38279 Re: if you sacd so billythefish01 billythefish01 Thu 1/16/2003 4 KB 38309 Re: if you sacd so John Marchington johnmarch1938 Thu 1/16/2003 6 KB 38320 Re: if you sacd so Matthew Stringer Fri 1/17/2003 3 KB 38351 Re: if you sacd so John Marchington johnmarch1938 Sun 1/19/2003 5 KB From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 4:44 pm Subject: Astoria Anyone from Scandinavia going to London for the concert in Feb.? I need someone to help me with that 'special' cd. Please contact me off-list. Come to think of it, this request applies to friendly folks outside of Scandinavia as well. Thanks Olle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39030 Astoria Colin Neal Colin_Neal Sun 2/16/2003 2 KB 39043 Re: Astoria rockyrobin_99 rockyrobin_99 Sun 2/16/2003 2 KB 39042 Astoria leethake leethake Sun 2/16/2003 3 KB 39051 Astoria Gary Jenkins hyperboreauk Sun 2/16/2003 2 KB 39148 Re: Astoria Scott Roget1998 Tue 2/18/2003 2 KB 39243 Astoria fozziebear fozziebeard Thu 2/20/2003 2 KB 39260 Re: Astoria Volkmar Friauf colognese2002 Thu 2/20/2003 3 KB 39266 Re: Astoria gyedid01 gyedid01 Thu 2/20/2003 2 KB 39269 Re: Astoria and gulls by the sea dreamsector dreamsector Thu 2/20/2003 3 KB From: Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 4:02 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Astoria Feb 15th infos To Martin: An additional question: What currencies / paying methods will be accepted? Best regards Jörg tadream@yahoogroups.com schrieb am 14.01.03 15:00:20: > At 13:52 14.01.03, you wrote: > >@Martin: there are an awful lot of these requests to collect extra > >goodies. Back at one of the Shepherd's Bush concerts (I forget which > >one), the limited addition CD was rationed to one each. I hope this > >will not be the case at the Astoria as there will be a lot of very > >disappointed people! Perhaps you could confirm what the policy would > >be? > > > >Many thanks, > > > >BTF > > Dear Billy, > > items will not be rationed... if we sell them all at the gig ... fine. :-) > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________________ Die Kommunikationszentrale ist da! Nie wieder E-Mail-Chaos! Verwalten Sie alle Ihre E-Mail Adressen unter: http://freemail.web.de/features/?mc=021123 From: tony.vandergaag@p... Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 8:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD in different styles Hi, i had this cd already about a year before, and i think it's actually great fun ;-). please note i don't say it's good but i think it's very funny to listen to once in a while. hey, we can't be seriously looking like Edgar F all of our lives can we ??? .... and probably any other latino album would have spoiled your x-mass as well simply because latino music does not match our x-mass feel .... tony/rotterdam Citeren David Hughes : > Hello all, > > Martin wrote : > > > *What about the Latino versions of Kraftwerk songs by Senor Coconut? ;-) > > I was given a copy of this at Christmas. > > Probably the quickest and most effective way yet discovered by man to > totally > wreck that Christmas good-vibe feeling. > > Yak! > > You have to ask 'what could be worse?' ?:) > > I'd rather listen to Edgar playing the theme to Streethawk on a kazoo. > > Regards > David From: 'Glynn Naughton ' Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 8:32 am Subject: Re: one spare ticket for the London concert and some help wanted! >From: 'David Wakefield' >Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 2:58 pm >Subject: Re: [tadream] one spare ticket for the London concert and some help wanted! > > >My wife are staying at one of the hilton's for £99 for the night. >Have a look at there >web page and use www.yell.com to find the locations in London. > >Dave W Anyone else who is planning to go to this show should think about paying this sort of price for a room. There are many 2-star hotels in London for much less--but you get what you pay for (by London standards). Despite living there for 4 years, I very quickly forgot what an insanely expensive city it is when I moved to Paris. Last year my I went back with my girlfriend for a weekend and booked us into a 2-star place near Paddington station. Aside from the filthy frayed carpets, chunks knocked out of the walls and smell of puke, the first thing we noticed on arriving was a senselessly drunk Russian bloke asleep in the corridor in front of our room. Needless to say, we didn't stay in that hotel :-) Glynn From: 'lutkos2002 ' Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 2:21 am Subject: Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos Hi Martin, Thanks for this information. I finally made up my mind to attend the concert in London. Well, it will be quite a trip living in Bangkok nowadays, but I have to be in Berlin for business reasons at around the same time anyway. So I can combine work with pleasure :-) My question to you is whether you will accept just British Pounds to buy merchandise at the venue, or, whether those of us who do not come from Britain (it is beyond me why the British did not join the monetary union, but that's beside the point) will be able to pay with our Euros instead? As we do not know in advance what will strike our fancy at the merchandise stall, we would have to exchange a lot more money in advance than we might actually need and would be stuck with it later. All the best from Thailand, Lutz --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > > >Hello fellow listizens, > > I thought I´d drop you a few advance notes on the London show: > > 1. line-up: we have a special surprise for you regarding the line- up. We´ll > have an old face on guitar: Mr. Zlatko Perica. Thus, the line-up will be: > - Edgar and Jerome Froese > - Iris Kulterer > - Zlatko Perica > > 2. specials: we will have a special release ready for the show of > previously unavailable material. This will be on sale at the Astoria for > the first time and will not be reprinted in this form. > We will also have an array of rare and sought-after items for sale, plus > the usual array of T-Shirts, CD´s and watches. > > 3. The show will start at 7 p.m. straight, as we have a strict curfew for > 10 p.m. > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38237 OT Feb 15th and Euro's braddito braddito Wed 1/15/2003 3 KB 38250 Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos Matthew Stringer Wed 1/15/2003 4 KB 38269 Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please braddito braddito Thu 1/16/2003 3 KB 38272 Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please David Wakefield bolosun Thu 1/16/2003 4 KB 38275 Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 1/16/2003 2 KB 38274 Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 1/16/2003 4 KB 38277 Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please braddito braddito Thu 1/16/2003 3 KB 38316 Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please Paul Fellows paulfellowstd Fri 1/17/2003 4 KB 38281 Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please Roger Hartopp gmroger Thu 1/16/2003 4 KB From: 'duncan mckee' Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 5:08 pm Subject: rare cd on ebay hi all i have listed the rare Goblins Club Advance cd (Sequel records) on ebay have a look at the link http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2500672687&ssPageName=ADME:\ B:LC:UK:1 Thanks Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk www.tangerine-dream.co.uk MSN Messenger dmckee20@h... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Kent Eskildsen Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 8:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1644 Message: 11 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 22:55:57 +0100 From: 'Pergamon' Subject: Re: Why??? Hi Jan and Tadreamers Jan wrote; > ...Thankfully there are other bands which can satisfy my need for live > EM-music, by playing here inDenmark. Well, we have this band called Navigator. We are two guys from Denmark and one German and I am sure that you could say that our music will sound familiar to TD fans. We are going to play a concert on the 1th of Febuary in Loenstrup, DK and later this year in Germany and Holland. So you should all be very welcome to come and hear us if you happend to be nearby. > It is just sad, the fans in f.ex. Denmark does not have the > experience of TD playing in their country. It is allways a something > special when a preferred band plays in ones own part of the world. Yes, In Denmark I can only recall a Klaus Schulze concert way back in the eighties. I was there of course. Also Jarre indoor on his Oxygene tour and last year we had the priviledge to borrow him some windmills for his AERO concert. It was only 20 km from where I live, so I can´t complain about that! But I agree that EM has never been big in Scandinavia. Maybe too big an area with too few people to gather interest for this kind of music. One positive thing, though, in the later years it has been much easier to get in contact with other people - both local and globally - with the same interest in music, thanks to the Internet and mailing-lists like this one! Best regards, Kent/ Navigator [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 10:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dreamwatchers' Tales III sign-ups Tom R said: >Since I'm awaiting a replacement disc from Yannick, I thought I'd keep the >sign-ups open a while longer. (Plus I only have 50 so far, and thought >there would be more...) Only 50? Come on, folks, get it! it's nice, free (or almost) music made by nice people... some of them even have more of it, in full length cds, if you want! ;) ;) ;) gj np: livemiles (my almost yearly audition... there are some sequences i like though. nice to know it begins with a section of london, now that I know london. (tyger is GOOOD! :) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@s... From: 'John Marchington' Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 1:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so You won't be able to play SACDs -- whether they be the high resolution layers on Hybrid discs, like 'Rubycon', or the single layer discs that Sony are currently producing -- on anything but an SACD player. There are some players available that will play both SACD and DVD-A discs as well as standard CDs but opinions seem divided as to whether their sound quality is as good as that of dedicated players for SACD. As the owner of one such dedicated player, I can certainly confirm that the SACD layer of 'Rubycon' is superb and I'd certainly love all the other Virgin TD to be available in the format but, sadly, I haven't seen or heard of any movement in that direction as yet. However, if anyone else on the List has heard a whisper about future TD SACDs, I'd love to know about it. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 5:12 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so > If you have or have access to a dvd player, you should try your sacd disc on that, as it is my understanding that all dvd players use 24-bit converters. > > :-) > > << Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:51:14 -0000 > From: 'billythefish01 ' > Subject: Re: recording limitations > > Although I have always been a bit of a vinyl snob (and still prefer > that format over CD - I had 65 CDs before buying my first player!) > this information is fascinating and confirms why I am beginning to > prefer some (particularly EM) CDs over vinyl for sound. > > I was very lucky whilst in HMV the other day to find the SACD > release of Rubycon, and although I have yet to purchase an SACD > player, its sound when played on a standard CD player is stunning > when compared to my old OVED vinyl release. > > I am really looking forward to the day that multi-channel TD music > is available. Surely the next step? > > TTFN, > > BTF>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38232 Re: if you sacd so billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 1/15/2003 4 KB 38261 Re: if you sacd so dustych dustych Wed 1/15/2003 3 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:39 am Subject: New Windham Hill Sampler I just picked up a new Windham Hill sampler with the Tangerine Dream track 'Cool at Heart'. The title of the sampler is 'Windham Hill Chill'. What's funny is that they are marketing themselves as the original 'chill out' label. '30 essential tracks from the original chill out label' :-) I guess it's so hip now to sell CDs by using the 'Chill out' phrase! Also, all tracks are made into one continuous mix, which is really just a cross fade. Also, I picked up the limited edition of 1000 copies of the FAX label 'The Ambient Cookbook II' - which is a 4CD compilation from the FAX label and a must for anyone on this list!! Also has a track from Dark Side of the Moog with Klaus Schulze. Vic [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38242 Re: New Windham Hill Sampler Wade Gordon mindvoyager1 Wed 1/15/2003 3 KB 38248 Re: New Windham Hill Sampler heineu heineu Wed 1/15/2003 4 KB 38253 Re: New Windham Hill Sampler Wade Gordon mindvoyager1 Wed 1/15/2003 5 KB 38251 Re: New Windham Hill Sampler michaeljean@e... mikejeanwork Wed 1/15/2003 5 KB 38254 Re: New Windham Hill Sampler Wade Gordon mindvoyager1 Wed 1/15/2003 6 KB 38255 Re: New Windham Hill Sampler vic rek kyivmission Wed 1/15/2003 6 KB 38257 Re: New Windham Hill Sampler Wade Gordon mindvoyager1 Wed 1/15/2003 7 KB 38264 Re: New Windham Hill Sampler heineu heineu Thu 1/16/2003 7 KB From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:52 am Subject: Re: if you sacd so It plays on my CD player just fine! Not tried the DVD yet though. I am still auditioning players... there is a very good Marantz universal player but, like you say, it is a Jack of All Trades when compared to the dedicated players. I may just wait a little longer... --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Marchington' wrote: > You won't be able to play SACDs -- whether they be the high resolution > layers on Hybrid discs, like 'Rubycon', or the single layer discs that Sony > are currently producing -- on anything but an SACD player. There are some > players available that will play both SACD and DVD-A discs as well as > standard CDs but opinions seem divided as to whether their sound quality is > as good as that of dedicated players for SACD. > > As the owner of one such dedicated player, I can certainly confirm that the > SACD layer of 'Rubycon' is superb and I'd certainly love all the other > Virgin TD to be available in the format but, sadly, I haven't seen or heard > of any movement in that direction as yet. However, if anyone else on the > List has heard a whisper about future TD SACDs, I'd love to know about it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 5:12 AM > Subject: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so > > > > If you have or have access to a dvd player, you should try your sacd disc > on that, as it is my understanding that all dvd players use 24-bit > converters. > > > > :-) > > > > << > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:51:14 -0000 > > From: 'billythefish01 ' > > > Subject: Re: recording limitations > > > > Although I have always been a bit of a vinyl snob (and still prefer > > that format over CD - I had 65 CDs before buying my first player!) > > this information is fascinating and confirms why I am beginning to > > prefer some (particularly EM) CDs over vinyl for sound. > > > > I was very lucky whilst in HMV the other day to find the SACD > > release of Rubycon, and although I have yet to purchase an SACD > > player, its sound when played on a standard CD player is stunning > > when compared to my old OVED vinyl release. > > > > I am really looking forward to the day that multi-channel TD music > > is available. Surely the next step? > > > > TTFN, > > > > BTF>>> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > From: forcemajeure27@a... Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria (CD's for the less traveled) As with many before me, Travel will be impossible to London next month as I just returned from Paris (They only let me out once a year) Anyone willing to pick up an extra disc I will compensate handsomely. Thanks...Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'obiwan kenomi' Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 7:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] recording limitations As far as I know the maxlevel from a vinyl record was just over half an hour. The longest track I could fing in my viyl collection was on Klaus Schulze's first live album. Side for is a track called Dymagic which runs for 31 minutes and 45 seconds. >From: 'Admin' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] recording limitations >Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:44:09 -0800 > >Does anyone remember the max level a vinyl recording could do(track)? >Has anyone examine the Rubycon CD's with the original vinyl recording and >the levels they both contain? To me it just seems the CD is hotter. Maybe >the level is higher. If so then would not the soft parts also be raised a >bit or is it compressed? > >Dale > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Chatten met je online vrienden via MSN Messenger. http://messenger.msn.nl/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38236 Re: recording limitations Dan Downey djambient Wed 1/15/2003 4 KB 38249 Re: recording limitations Matthew Stringer Wed 1/15/2003 5 KB 38239 Re: recording limitations tony.vandergaag@p... symfoon Wed 1/15/2003 4 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 1:34 pm Subject: C.U.E./Fax was New Windham Hill Sampler Also, I picked up the limited edition of 1000 copies of the FAX label 'The Ambient Cookbook II' - which is a 4CD compilation from the FAX label and a must for anyone on this list!! < speaking of FAX can someone recommend a good album by Charles Uzzell-Edwards? I had the opportunity to see him live once and was underwhelmed--may have been the venue (most likely) or the competition that day--Kim Cascone or Steve Roach. --T np Steve Roach--All Is Now _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From: Dan Downey Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 1:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] recording limitations I remember reading a long time ago that the optimum max length for best sound quality was 20 minutes per side. As for what can be squeezed onto an lp I have a bootleg lp that clocks in at just under 40 minutes per side that plays fine and it's never skipped. Of course it sounds mighty thin. - DanD --- obiwan kenomi wrote: > As far as I know the maxlevel from a vinyl record > was just over half an > hour. The longest track I could fing in my viyl > collection was on Klaus > Schulze's first live album. Side for is a track > called Dymagic which runs > for 31 minutes and 45 seconds. > > > > > >From: 'Admin' > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: [tadream] recording limitations > >Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:44:09 -0800 > > > >Does anyone remember the max level a vinyl > recording could do(track)? > >Has anyone examine the Rubycon CD's with the > original vinyl recording and > >the levels they both contain? To me it just seems > the CD is hotter. Maybe > >the level is higher. If so then would not the soft > parts also be raised a > >bit or is it compressed? > > > >Dale > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > >Tangerine Tree info at > >http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chatten met je online vrienden via MSN Messenger. > http://messenger.msn.nl/ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.ambientissue.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38249 Re: recording limitations Matthew Stringer Wed 1/15/2003 5 KB From: 'braddito ' Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 1:51 pm Subject: OT Feb 15th and Euro's --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'lutkos2002 ' wrote: (it is beyond me why the British did not join the > monetary union, but that's beside the point) Lutz, a few thoughts : British unemployed 950,000 and falling, German unemployed reported as 4,000,000 and rising (this is a terrible statistic for such a proud nation, although the Euro isn't solely responsible), Italian shops are back to using Lire where possible, I read that Germans in the Hamburg area want to go back to DEM, Germany and Portugal have already received warnings for possible breach of financial policy - if Germany can't meet the requirements to make the Euro a successful currency, what hope have the rest got ? How will it affect member states if the currency does become weaker due to the failure of certain countries to keep to the rules ? Monetary union is a nice theory for the politicians, but they probably aren't the ones who will end up unemployed or short of money, and most of them are so old, they'll be dead before the people finally protest. Britain is wise to watch things for a few years to see if the theory can work in practice. It makes holidaying in Europe easier though, so that's nice despite the price rises ! regards Toby From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 2:17 pm Subject: some comments about 'Tangerine Tree 3' (very long & boring ;-) A couple of days ago I sent out the new TT3 discs to most of my branches & leaves, and it seems my timing was bad as usual because the cover artwork isn't ready yet, also the tree structure in Joe's database needs to be updated. I'm sorry for any inconvenience that has been caused, however many of the people who meanwhile have received my discs aren't even members of this mailing list, so I hope everything will go along as planned. I take this email as an opportunity to say a big THANK YOU to everyone who was involved in the making of TT3 (which IMO is the best batch so far): Wouter, Jerzy, Ramon, John, Klaus, and Maff & his gang :-) Here are some comments about the concerts that are part of TT3: Volume 17: East Berlin Palast der Republik 31 January 1980, 2 cdr (101 min.) --I guess many of you know that this was Johannes Schmoelling's first live appearance with Tangerine Dream. About two weeks ago I received an email from Johannes (the reason he wrote me was a special Tree box edition we sent to him a while ago, containg concerts from the time he was a member of TD) He told me that at that time he felt it was way too early for him to play such a big concert as he was in the band for maybe only 3-4 months, and that he was nervous as hell playing improvised music to a few thousand people. Disc 1 starts with a short introduction (in German language) in which the announcers give a brief history of what TD has done and released so far. It is then followed by 38 minutes of music which didn't make it onto 'Quichotte' (the first LP release on the GDR 'Amiga' label), nor on 'Pergamon' (the 1986 CD re-release). Really a superb track, and those who love Pergamon or Tangram will be very pleased. Disc 2 contains two tracks of which the first has a length of almost 46 minutes. The first half was used for 'Pergamon/Quichotte', the second half and the encore is also as yet unreleased. A truly mindblowing 100 minutes of music, and thanks to list member Ramon I was lucky to get my hands on a tape copy of a reel-to-reel master which was recorded in February 1980 by someone who lived in East Germany. Unfortunately the reel-to-reel recording no longer exists, but I'm sure you will be very pleased with the sound quality (except for the first 10 minutes of the music on Disc 1 which is slightly overmodulated in parts) And as with most of TD's official live releases they only tell half of the story, because you will hear more than 70 minutes of unreleased music from this magic event. This release will (hopefully) replace 'White cloths', 'Staatsgrenze West', 'Lifted curtain' etc. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------------------- Volume 18: Montreal Place des Arts 09 April 1977 2 CDR (115 min.) --A couple of weeks ago I was told to expect a 'killer version' of this concert (a 2nd gen CHOM-FM radio broadcast), and Jerzy indeed did a fantastic job . I am deeply impressed by the music, in fact I like it better than Washington Lisner Auditorium 04 April (TT1, Vol. 4) or even the official 'Encore' release. The music somehow sounds so convincing (for use of a better word). Like Washington the concert again starts with Cherokee lane, followed by Monolight (which is very close to the version that's on 'Encore'), the rest is purely improvised. It's difficult for me to come up with a favourite track because each of them has its own fascination, but maybe the whole of Disc 2 is the winner. For me this is the best unreleased document of the 'Encore' tour. This release will (hopefully) replace 'Patrolling Space Borders' and 'Transformation'. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------------------- Volume 19: Paris Palais du Sport 22 November 1976, 2 CDR (114 min.) --my favourite recording of TT3, an audience master tape which will delight everyone who likes the music of Nottingham 1976 (TT1, Vol. 1) Although the sound quality doesn't quite match that of Nottingham it's still an extremly good sounding recording, and musically it's definetly on par with it. Some music sounds familiar, but for the most part it is completely different to Nottingham (especially the whole of Disc 2). What I like on Paris 76 is the variety, ranging from soft piano and mellotron passages to music which is a total freakout (with Peter Baumann screaming like as if he is possessed, and Edgar Froese playing guitar like a mad axeman :-) Maybe the best track is the first one on Disc 2, a beautiful improvisation which lasts for nearly 38 minutes, and which could go on forever. The piece starts with an announcement by Peter Baumann, and I would be glad if someone could let me know what exactly he was saying (something like 'Schönen guten Abend. We now want to play a song '.....' It's inspired by '....' and '....'. I hope you enjoy it'?!) The first encore has some serious tape speed and sound problems inbetween, but the rest is excellent. This release will (hopefully) replace 'Keepers of dreams' and 'Paris 76' --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------------------- Volume 20: Warsaw Sala Kongresowa 13 June 1997, 1 CDR (68 min.) --This is the complete 'Vintage set' which got broadcasted on Polish radio at least twice. There's really not much for me to say (you all know the tracks), except that the sound quality is awesome..a solid 10/10 which replaces the 'Warszawa wita was' CDR version. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ---------------------- Volume 21: Detroit Fox Theater 20 October 1992, 2 CDR (123 min.) --this was taken from the DAT audience master recording, and for me it's the best sounding source from the North American 'Rockoon' tour. I must admit that I wasn't very keen on '220 volt live' when it was released in 1993 (in fact I almost hated it ;-) but this full recording here is much more enjoyable to listen to. The music is for the most part a mixture of tracks taken from 'Rockoon', 'Melrose', and of music that was released as '220 volt live' almost a year after the tour was over. Here you find 'Purple haze' with sound bites of Daffy Duck (which got removed for '220 Volt live'), and lots of great guitar solos played by Zlatko Perica. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------------------- Volume 22: Orange Theatre Antique 16 August 1975, 1 CDR (58 min.) -- for the most part the music is overmodulated, and it does not equal the sound quality of all the other concerts in TT3, however it seems to be impossible to get hold of the master tape (and I'm not even sure if it has a cleaner sound). Those who have this concert in one way or another (it has been released as bootleg LP and various CDRs with titles like 'Oranges from France', 'A dream unbound', 'Seekers of dreams' etc.) though will hopefully find this Tree release an improvement. The music itself is brilliant, and essential for those who like fast sequencers (and here they are really fast!) It's one of those TD recordings where I have to put on my safety belt when listening to the music under headphones :-B --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------------------- Volume 23: Berlin Deutschlandhalle 29 November 1973, 1 CDR (40 min.) taken from a German radio broadcast, and it's quite bizarre and fascinating. A few days after this concert TD would enter the studio to record 'Phaedra', however the music on Vol. 23 has absolutely nothing to do with this album. It's more like a mixture of sounds you can hear on albums like Zeit, Alpha Centauri, or Atem. I'm sure that everyone who likes these albums will appreciate Berlin 73 (incl. yours truly), but for those who are more into sequencer music like Phaedra, Rubycon or Ricochet it may be a bit difficult to listen to. A Krautrock semi-classic. Sound quality is excellent and much better than what I had before. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ---------------------- Volume 24: Laguna Hills Irvine Meadows Amphitheater 06 June 1986, 2 CDR (115 min.) --a copy of the audience master tape that replaces the 'Somnambulistic imagery' boot CD version, and for me it's without a doubt the best sounding audience version from the 1986 North American tour. I absolutely LOVE the music on that tour (every tiny second!!), and it's a shame that TD hasn't released a full 2 cd version yet. Most of the music was taken from 'Underwater sunlight', but there are also bits from 'Legend' or 'Le Parc', plus unreleased music. As usual the American audience is very..err...communicative ;-) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------------------- Volume 25: Detroit Ford Auditorium 31 March 1977, 2 CDR (103 min.) WARNING: to avoid deaf ears do not listen to Disc 2 loud under headphones...trust me! ;-) This show is quite unlike Monteal 77, in fact it sounds more like 'Heavy Metal TD'. Halfway through the concert it seems to me that Edgar has given up upon structure and tries his best to pay tribute to Detroit's punk band The Stooges. Detroit 77 is without a doubt the highlight of Edgar's guitar playing. Has anyone on this list seen this concert? It must have been quite an outrageous gig. For this we used an uknown but surely low generation tape (either 2nd or 3rd, no-one knows for sure), and the sound quality is very good. This release (hopefully) replaces Acoustic LSD, Snackbar dreamer in Detroit, The emerald beyond, Edison's last playoff etc etc.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ---------------------- Volume 26: Brussels Cirque Royal 13 October 1980, 2 CDR (101 min.) --a pleasant surprise, the sound quality of Brussels 80 is even better than on Paris Bataclan 2/2/81 (TT2, Vol. 14) So far the best version was a condensed 1 CDR release called 'Nostrasgram', but I hope/think that the Tree release is better (at least it's complete). The first set is slightly different than Paris 81, the second set is identical. First encore is 'Choronzon' (the sound quality is almost that of a radio broadcast), the second encore is like a short jam session. Some may like it, but I find it a bit uninspiring. Nevertheless it's a great concert. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ---------------------- ..and this completes the results of the German jury :-) I hope everyone will enjoy the music as much as I did, and any feedback is appreciated (on or off-list) Heiko P.S.: I have about 15 complete TT3 sets for trade (17 audio CDRs against payment), those who are interested can contact me off-list and ask for details. This offer may be of interest to those who are at the end of the Tree chain :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38247 Re: some comments about 'Tangerine Tree 3' (very long & boring ;-) René Brenner fairway_ch Wed 1/15/2003 2 KB 38262 Re: some comments about 'Tangerine Tree 3' (very long & boring ;-) Robert Asmus plastics67 Thu 1/16/2003 13 KB From: tony.vandergaag@p... Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 12:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] recording limitations Hi Obi, sorry but there are a few longer ones : 'a treatise on cosmic fire' - from todd rundren's album called 'initiation' runs for some 36 mins. and i also have the vinyl version of isao tomita's album called 'live at linz' which is a single lp version running for some 72 !! minutes about in total, so also some 36 minutes per lp-side. tony/rotterdam Citeren obiwan kenomi : > As far as I know the maxlevel from a vinyl record was just over half an > hour. The longest track I could fing in my viyl collection was on Klaus > Schulze's first live album. Side for is a track called Dymagic which runs > for 31 minutes and 45 seconds. > > > > > >From: 'Admin' > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: [tadream] recording limitations > >Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:44:09 -0800 > > > >Does anyone remember the max level a vinyl recording could do(track)? > >Has anyone examine the Rubycon CD's with the original vinyl recording and > >the levels they both contain? To me it just seems the CD is hotter. Maybe > >the level is higher. If so then would not the soft parts also be raised a > >bit or is it compressed? > > > >Dale > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > >Tangerine Tree info at > >http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chatten met je online vrienden via MSN Messenger. http://messenger.msn.nl/ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: edgar-rainer.berberich@g... Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 2:35 pm Subject: Searching Ramon I have an message from Ramon (R. Stommel) from January, 14th. I have answered on the same day. But there isn't a response. Ramon please contact me off-list. Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards Edgar Rainer Berberich ------------------------------------------------------------- Über das Internet versandte E-mails können leicht verfälscht oder unter fremdem Namen erstellt werden. Demzufolge müssen wir zu Ihrer und unserer Sicherheit die rechtliche Verbindlichkeit der vorstehenden Erklärungen ausschließen. Der Versand von E-mail dient somit ausschließlich dem Informationsaustausch. Due to the fact that E-mails are prone to manipulation and can be misleading as to the identity of the sender, the foregoing statements and comments shall have no legal validity. This is for your own protection as well as ours. Thus, E-mails shall be sent for information purposes only. From: 'Admin' Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 4:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] recording limitations I don't think I made the post clear enough. I was talking about recording levels (how high and low)(dynamic range). I noticed a big difference. One of our tech list members pointed out the different mixes, which was what I was thinking. Since then I been noticing some records with certain instruments higher than others (which drew me to the song) not the same on the CD(which I did not care for) and vice versa on others. Neil Young's Trans is one such critter. The CD does not have the same sound as the record. Rubycon in my ears is similar but higher levels. I am almost sure I am missing some very low level parts that only seem to show up on the CD which then is a bit odd with the rest of the mix. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'obiwan kenomi' To: Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] recording limitations > As far as I know the maxlevel from a vinyl record was just over half an > hour. The longest track I could fing in my viyl collection was on Klaus > Schulze's first live album. Side for is a track called Dymagic which runs > for 31 minutes and 45 seconds. > > > > > >From: 'Admin' > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: [tadream] recording limitations > >Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:44:09 -0800 > > > >Does anyone remember the max level a vinyl recording could do(track)? > >Has anyone examine the Rubycon CD's with the original vinyl recording and > >the levels they both contain? To me it just seems the CD is hotter. Maybe > >the level is higher. If so then would not the soft parts also be raised a > >bit or is it compressed? > > > >Dale > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > >Tangerine Tree info at > >http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chatten met je online vrienden via MSN Messenger. http://messenger.msn.nl/ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Wade Gordon Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Windham Hill Sampler Vic, You are absolutely correct sir. Also of note there are tracks from Yanni and Patrick O'Hearn on the two c.d. set. You know I never really considered Windam Hill as hip before. The tracks are very clean and the cross fades impressive. My question is why they did not include more syth music. Isn't synth music 'Cill Out' music? Wade --- vic rek wrote: > I just picked up a new Windham Hill sampler with the > Tangerine Dream track 'Cool at Heart'. > The title of the sampler is 'Windham Hill Chill'. > What's funny is that they are marketing themselves > as the original 'chill out' label. '30 essential > tracks from the original chill out label' :-) > > I guess it's so hip now to sell CDs by using the > 'Chill out' phrase! Also, all tracks are made into > one continuous mix, which is really just a cross > fade. > > Also, I picked up the limited edition of 1000 copies > of the FAX label 'The Ambient Cookbook II' - which > is a 4CD compilation from the FAX label and a must > for anyone on this list!! Also has a track from > Dark Side of the Moog with Klaus Schulze. > > Vic > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38248 Re: New Windham Hill Sampler heineu heineu Wed 1/15/2003 4 KB 38253 Re: New Windham Hill Sampler Wade Gordon mindvoyager1 Wed 1/15/2003 5 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:33 pm Subject: Re: sacd playability Oh, I see. Well, that's kind of a bummer. I thought since babel was able to play it on a regular cd player, it might also play on a dvd player. Oh well... << Subject: Re: Re: if you sacd so You won't be able to play SACDs -- whether they be the high resolution layers on Hybrid discs, like 'Rubycon', or the single layer discs that Sony are currently producing -- on anything but an SACD player. There are some players available that will play both SACD and DVD-A discs as well as standard CDs but opinions seem divided as to whether their sound quality is as good as that of dedicated players for SACD.>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38244 Re: sacd playability Liondream@a... dreamsector Wed 1/15/2003 2 KB 38245 Re: sacd playability billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 1/15/2003 2 KB 38260 Re: sacd playability John Marchington johnmarch1938 Wed 1/15/2003 4 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:33 pm Subject: Re: sacd playability Not babel, but billy, oops. sorry! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38245 Re: sacd playability billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 1/15/2003 2 KB From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:55 pm Subject: Re: sacd playability I kind of prefer Babel actually! Another kind of fish of course! I like your thinking. Good KS album too. --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Liondream@a... wrote: > Not babel, but billy, oops. sorry! From: Jonathan Holt Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 6:21 pm Subject: Q for Martin K. What exactly can we expect on the cd at the concert? Also (and more importantly for us overseas folks) how much is the cd going to cost? I have a very kind offer from a group member to get the cd, but it would be preferable, I think, to know if the cd is the usual UK price of approx 14 pounds or if we have to pay 'merchandise prices' like 40 pounds! Thanks, Jonnyboy. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: René Brenner Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 6:52 pm Subject: Re: some comments about 'Tangerine Tree 3' (very long & boring ;-) I would like to thank Heiko and the other folks again for the time and effort they put in TT3. For the SHN people I would welcome to maintain a small textfile here on yahoogroups with all tree releases done so far and its corresponding md5sum signatures, so people can check for authenticity and integrity of their shows anytime. Rene From: 'heineu ' Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 7:03 pm Subject: Re: New Windham Hill Sampler To Vic and Wade, I cant found on the official Homepage of Windham Hill, any statemant that the track: Cool at heart is played by TD. On the description (Homepage) of the sampler is only the track name , no artists. Is thats true??? Can you found on the back or inside cover of the 2CD Sampler the Artists??? Cheers Heiko - Mr. Opticaldream http://www.opticaldream.de http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Wade Gordon wrote: > Vic, > > You are absolutely correct sir. Also of note there > are tracks from Yanni and Patrick O'Hearn on the two > c.d. set. You know I never really considered Windam > Hill as hip before. > > The tracks are very clean and the cross fades > impressive. My question is why they did not include > more syth music. Isn't synth music 'Cill Out' music? > > Wade > --- vic rek wrote: > > I just picked up a new Windham Hill sampler with the > > Tangerine Dream track 'Cool at Heart'. > > The title of the sampler is 'Windham Hill Chill'. > > What's funny is that they are marketing themselves > > as the original 'chill out' label. '30 essential > > tracks from the original chill out label' :-) > > > > I guess it's so hip now to sell CDs by using the > > 'Chill out' phrase! Also, all tracks are made into > > one continuous mix, which is really just a cross > > fade. > > > > Also, I picked up the limited edition of 1000 copies > > of the FAX label 'The Ambient Cookbook II' - which > > is a 4CD compilation from the FAX label and a must > > for anyone on this list!! Also has a track from > > Dark Side of the Moog with Klaus Schulze. > > > > Vic > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38253 Re: New Windham Hill Sampler Wade Gordon mindvoyager1 Wed 1/15/2003 5 KB From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 8:20 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] recording limitations You can get more on if you turn down the volume and reduce the dynamic range a bit but it's not really what you want to do. Matthew -----Original Message----- From: Dan Downey [mailto:djambient@y...] Sent: 15 January 2003 13:44 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] recording limitations I remember reading a long time ago that the optimum max length for best sound quality was 20 minutes per side. As for what can be squeezed onto an lp I have a bootleg lp that clocks in at just under 40 minutes per side that plays fine and it's never skipped. Of course it sounds mighty thin. - DanD --- obiwan kenomi wrote: > As far as I know the maxlevel from a vinyl record > was just over half an > hour. The longest track I could fing in my viyl > collection was on Klaus > Schulze's first live album. Side for is a track > called Dymagic which runs > for 31 minutes and 45 seconds. > > > > > >From: 'Admin' > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: [tadream] recording limitations > >Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:44:09 -0800 > > > >Does anyone remember the max level a vinyl > recording could do(track)? > >Has anyone examine the Rubycon CD's with the > original vinyl recording and > >the levels they both contain? To me it just seems > the CD is hotter. Maybe > >the level is higher. If so then would not the soft > parts also be raised a > >bit or is it compressed? > > > >Dale > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > >Tangerine Tree info at > >http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chatten met je online vrienden via MSN Messenger. > http://messenger.msn.nl/ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.ambientissue.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ <<< This message has been scanned for all known viruses by >>> <<< FAV from Firstnet Services: http://www.firstnet.net.uk >>> From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 8:24 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos You won't be able to use your Euros but you will be able to use a bank/credit card. Matthew -----Original Message----- From: lutkos2002 [mailto:lutkos@k...] Sent: 14 January 2003 02:22 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: Astoria Feb 15th infos Hi Martin, Thanks for this information. I finally made up my mind to attend the concert in London. Well, it will be quite a trip living in Bangkok nowadays, but I have to be in Berlin for business reasons at around the same time anyway. So I can combine work with pleasure :-) My question to you is whether you will accept just British Pounds to buy merchandise at the venue, or, whether those of us who do not come from Britain (it is beyond me why the British did not join the monetary union, but that's beside the point) will be able to pay with our Euros instead? As we do not know in advance what will strike our fancy at the merchandise stall, we would have to exchange a lot more money in advance than we might actually need and would be stuck with it later. All the best from Thailand, Lutz --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > > >Hello fellow listizens, > > I thought I´d drop you a few advance notes on the London show: > > 1. line-up: we have a special surprise for you regarding the line- up. We´ll > have an old face on guitar: Mr. Zlatko Perica. Thus, the line-up will be: > - Edgar and Jerome Froese > - Iris Kulterer > - Zlatko Perica > > 2. specials: we will have a special release ready for the show of > previously unavailable material. This will be on sale at the Astoria for > the first time and will not be reprinted in this form. > We will also have an array of rare and sought-after items for sale, plus > the usual array of T-Shirts, CD´s and watches. > > 3. The show will start at 7 p.m. straight, as we have a strict curfew for > 10 p.m. > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ <<< This message has been scanned for all known viruses by >>> <<< FAV from Firstnet Services: http://www.firstnet.net.uk >>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! 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Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 8:31 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: New Windham Hill Sampler I think the liekly explanation is that Private Music and Windham Hill both used to be distributed by BMG music. Probably some corporate merger gives them the rights to both (notice Yanni and O'Hearn on Private Music) also appear on the compilation) Original Message: ----------------- From: heineu heiko@o... Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 19:03:50 -0000 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: New Windham Hill Sampler To Vic and Wade, I cant found on the official Homepage of Windham Hill, any statemant that the track: Cool at heart is played by TD. On the description (Homepage) of the sampler is only the track name , no artists. Is thats true??? Can you found on the back or inside cover of the 2CD Sampler the Artists??? Cheers Heiko - Mr. Opticaldream http://www.opticaldream.de http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Wade Gordon wrote: > Vic, > > You are absolutely correct sir. Also of note there > are tracks from Yanni and Patrick O'Hearn on the two > c.d. set. You know I never really considered Windam > Hill as hip before. > > The tracks are very clean and the cross fades > impressive. My question is why they did not include > more syth music. Isn't synth music 'Cill Out' music? > > Wade > --- vic rek wrote: > > I just picked up a new Windham Hill sampler with the > > Tangerine Dream track 'Cool at Heart'. > > The title of the sampler is 'Windham Hill Chill'. > > What's funny is that they are marketing themselves > > as the original 'chill out' label. '30 essential > > tracks from the original chill out label' :-) > > > > I guess it's so hip now to sell CDs by using the > > 'Chill out' phrase! Also, all tracks are made into > > one continuous mix, which is really just a cross > > fade. > > > > Also, I picked up the limited edition of 1000 copies > > of the FAX label 'The Ambient Cookbook II' - which > > is a 4CD compilation from the FAX label and a must > > for anyone on this list!! Also has a track from > > Dark Side of the Moog with Klaus Schulze. > > > > Vic > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38254 Re: New Windham Hill Sampler Wade Gordon mindvoyager1 Wed 1/15/2003 6 KB From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 8:32 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: recording limitations I bought a remastered anniversary edition of Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells only to find that the original vinyl sounded much better. I've never heard a CD that sounds better than the equivalent vinyl but as they are a lot more convenient so I tend to play them more. Most modern studio recordings are made using 24 Bit recorders so an SACD would be an exact copy of the studio master which makes them quite special. I would be surprised if the old vinyl could match them. Matthew -----Original Message----- From: billythefish01 [mailto:mudspanker@y...] Sent: 14 January 2003 09:51 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: recording limitations Although I have always been a bit of a vinyl snob (and still prefer that format over CD - I had 65 CDs before buying my first player!) this information is fascinating and confirms why I am beginning to prefer some (particularly EM) CDs over vinyl for sound. I was very lucky whilst in HMV the other day to find the SACD release of Rubycon, and although I have yet to purchase an SACD player, its sound when played on a standard CD player is stunning when compared to my old OVED vinyl release. I am really looking forward to the day that multi-channel TD music is available. Surely the next step? TTFN, BTF --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Bill Fox' wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Admin' > > Does anyone remember the max level a vinyl recording could do (track)? > > Has anyone examine the Rubycon CD's with the original vinyl recording and > > the levels they both contain? To me it just seems the CD is hotter. Maybe > > the level is higher. If so then would not the soft parts also be raised a > > bit or is it compressed? > > The max level of an LP has nothing to do with your perception of the CD sounding > hotter. In fact, LPs HAD NO MAX VALUE! Yes, conditions could cause the needle > to jump the groove if amplitudes, frequency content, phase relationships, > program content, etc. combined in a bad way. But an LP with a lot of playing > time had to be cut softer than an LP that had a shorter playing time. Yes, > there was a volume vs. playing time relationship. So the max volume on one LP > could be VASTLY different from the max volume of another LP. What most people > don't realize, aside from the RIAA curve being applied to all LPs (reduce bass > at the cutting lathe and boosting bass at playback, etc.), when an LP was mixed, > it then was mastered to fit on an LP. Band limiting EQ, compression, volume > setting, etc. were done to final mixes to make the master tapes used to drive > cutting lathes. Early CDs used these master tapes in order to get product on > the shelves in a hurry. Later, mix tapes were used so that LP mastering that > limited bandwidth and dynamic range wouldn't be strangling the music we hear on > CD. What you need to ask is: How was the LP mastered and how was the CD you > heard mastered and how did these differ? If there were multiple issues of the > CD, were there different mastering techniques used? CD has wider dynamic range > than LPs do so compression isn't required. But we grew up listening to LPs > which were very much compressed and we grew accustomed to hearing music that > way. Plus (commercial) radio needs a hot signal to maximize its audience size, > hence the price it can charge for advertising, hence its profits. Were any of > these and other considerations taken into account when the CD you have was > mastered? > > And you thought you asked a simple question! :-) > > Cheers, > > Bill > Fox's Den Recording > http://foxesden.us ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Wade Gordon Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 8:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New Windham Hill Sampler I believe the selection is off of the american release of 'Melrose' that was released by Private Music. Wade --- 'heineu ' wrote: > To Vic and Wade, > > I cant found on the official Homepage of Windham > Hill, any statemant > that the track: Cool at heart is played by TD. On > the description > (Homepage) of the sampler is only the track name , > no artists. Is > thats true??? > > Can you found on the back or inside cover of the 2CD > Sampler the > Artists??? > > Cheers > Heiko - Mr. Opticaldream > http://www.opticaldream.de > http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de > > > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Wade Gordon > wrote: > > Vic, > > > > You are absolutely correct sir. Also of note > there > > are tracks from Yanni and Patrick O'Hearn on the > two > > c.d. set. You know I never really considered > Windam > > Hill as hip before. > > > > The tracks are very clean and the cross fades > > impressive. My question is why they did not > include > > more syth music. Isn't synth music 'Cill Out' > music? > > > > Wade > > --- vic rek wrote: > > > I just picked up a new Windham Hill sampler with > the > > > Tangerine Dream track 'Cool at Heart'. > > > The title of the sampler is 'Windham Hill > Chill'. > > > What's funny is that they are marketing > themselves > > > as the original 'chill out' label. '30 > essential > > > tracks from the original chill out label' :-) > > > > > > I guess it's so hip now to sell CDs by using the > > > 'Chill out' phrase! Also, all tracks are made > into > > > one continuous mix, which is really just a cross > > > fade. > > > > > > Also, I picked up the limited edition of 1000 > copies > > > of the FAX label 'The Ambient Cookbook II' - > which > > > is a 4CD compilation from the FAX label and a > must > > > for anyone on this list!! Also has a track from > > > Dark Side of the Moog with Klaus Schulze. > > > > > > Vic > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: > > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: Wade Gordon Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 8:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: New Windham Hill Sampler You are absolutely correct 'Sir.' The mighty BMG swallowed up both of them in one bound. Its gets very confusing to see what corportation really owns a label. It is kinda like musical chairs. An example would be American Radio stations. Let's see: Disney owns Clear Channel. Clear Channel owns Premiere. Premiere own AM FM, Inc., etc... The record labels the same thing happens. Wade --- 'michaeljean@e...' wrote: > I think the liekly explanation is that Private Music > and Windham Hill both > used to be distributed by BMG music. Probably some > corporate merger gives > them the rights to both (notice Yanni and O'Hearn on > Private Music) also > appear on the compilation) > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: heineu heiko@o... > Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 19:03:50 -0000 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: New Windham Hill Sampler > > > To Vic and Wade, > > I cant found on the official Homepage of Windham > Hill, any statemant > that the track: Cool at heart is played by TD. On > the description > (Homepage) of the sampler is only the track name , > no artists. Is > thats true??? > > Can you found on the back or inside cover of the 2CD > Sampler the > Artists??? > > Cheers > Heiko - Mr. Opticaldream > http://www.opticaldream.de > http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de > > > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Wade Gordon > wrote: > > Vic, > > > > You are absolutely correct sir. Also of note > there > > are tracks from Yanni and Patrick O'Hearn on the > two > > c.d. set. You know I never really considered > Windam > > Hill as hip before. > > > > The tracks are very clean and the cross fades > > impressive. My question is why they did not > include > > more syth music. Isn't synth music 'Cill Out' > music? > > > > Wade > > --- vic rek wrote: > > > I just picked up a new Windham Hill sampler with > the > > > Tangerine Dream track 'Cool at Heart'. > > > The title of the sampler is 'Windham Hill > Chill'. > > > What's funny is that they are marketing > themselves > > > as the original 'chill out' label. '30 > essential > > > tracks from the original chill out label' :-) > > > > > > I guess it's so hip now to sell CDs by using the > > > 'Chill out' phrase! Also, all tracks are made > into > > > one continuous mix, which is really just a cross > > > fade. > > > > > > Also, I picked up the limited edition of 1000 > copies > > > of the FAX label 'The Ambient Cookbook II' - > which > > > is a 4CD compilation from the FAX label and a > must > > > for anyone on this list!! Also has a track from > > > Dark Side of the Moog with Klaus Schulze. > > > > > > Vic > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: > > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: 'vic rek' Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New Windham Hill Sampler The track 'Cool at Heart' is credited to and played by Tangerine Dream. In the booklet it says (Edgar Froese, Paul Haslinger, Jerome Froese) and a statement: 'More music you'll enjoy from TANGERINE DREAM: The Private Music of Tangerine Dream 01005-82105-2' - which looks like the Private Music catalog number. So, is Windham Hill re-releasing a TD album? Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Wade Gordon' To: Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New Windham Hill Sampler > I believe the selection is off of the american release > of 'Melrose' that was released by Private Music. > > Wade > > --- 'heineu ' > wrote: > > To Vic and Wade, > > > > I cant found on the official Homepage of Windham > > Hill, any statemant > > that the track: Cool at heart is played by TD. On > > the description > > (Homepage) of the sampler is only the track name , > > no artists. Is > > thats true??? > > > > Can you found on the back or inside cover of the 2CD > > Sampler the > > Artists??? > > > > Cheers > > Heiko - Mr. Opticaldream > > http://www.opticaldream.de > > http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de > > > > > > > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Wade Gordon > > wrote: > > > Vic, > > > > > > You are absolutely correct sir. Also of note > > there > > > are tracks from Yanni and Patrick O'Hearn on the > > two > > > c.d. set. You know I never really considered > > Windam > > > Hill as hip before. > > > > > > The tracks are very clean and the cross fades > > > impressive. My question is why they did not > > include > > > more syth music. Isn't synth music 'Cill Out' > > music? > > > > > > Wade > > > --- vic rek wrote: > > > > I just picked up a new Windham Hill sampler with > > the > > > > Tangerine Dream track 'Cool at Heart'. > > > > The title of the sampler is 'Windham Hill > > Chill'. > > > > What's funny is that they are marketing > > themselves > > > > as the original 'chill out' label. '30 > > essential > > > > tracks from the original chill out label' :-) > > > > > > > > I guess it's so hip now to sell CDs by using the > > > > 'Chill out' phrase! Also, all tracks are made > > into > > > > one continuous mix, which is really just a cross > > > > fade. > > > > > > > > Also, I picked up the limited edition of 1000 > > copies > > > > of the FAX label 'The Ambient Cookbook II' - > > which > > > > is a 4CD compilation from the FAX label and a > > must > > > > for anyone on this list!! Also has a track from > > > > Dark Side of the Moog with Klaus Schulze. > > > > > > > > Vic > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > To unsubscribe: > > > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > > now. > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38257 Re: New Windham Hill Sampler Wade Gordon mindvoyager1 Wed 1/15/2003 7 KB 38264 Re: New Windham Hill Sampler heineu heineu Thu 1/16/2003 7 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 10:31 pm Subject: Network 23 on Orbital Compilation The compilation is called 'Back to Mine' track listing: 1. The Knack - John Barry & His Orchestra 2. Justice To The People - Lee Perry & The Upsetters 3. Babaloo - DSR 4. Spice - Eon 5. Love & ury - The Tornadoes 6. We Have Come To Bless The House - Severed Heads 7. Ska'ed For Life - Orbital 8. Schulmaedchen Report (title theme) - Gert Wilden & Orchestra 9. Kamikaze - PJ Harvey 10. Celebrate The Bullet - The Elected 11. No Idea - Earth Leakage Trip 12. Lost Property - The Divine Comedy 13. Pal Pal Teri Yaad - Falguni Pathak 14. Half Stepper - Hyper-On-Experience 15. Don't Burn Your Bridges - Susan Cadogan 16. Living In The Past - Jethro Tull 17. Network Twenty Three - Tangerine Dream 18. New Bass Hippo - Plaid 19. The Adventures Of Robinson Crusoe - Robert Mellin Orchestra Greg H. NP: Nuspirit Helsinki Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38270 Re: Network 23 on Orbital Compilation Matthew Stringer Thu 1/16/2003 2 KB 38287 Re: Network 23 on Orbital Compilation kevine@c... ksearley23 Thu 1/16/2003 2 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 10:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New Windham Hill Sampler Thank you Vic. From what I am lead to understand Windham Hill and Private Music have merged all under the banner of BMG. See, life can be simple. Wade --- vic rek wrote: > The track 'Cool at Heart' is credited to and played > by Tangerine Dream. > > In the booklet it says (Edgar Froese, Paul > Haslinger, Jerome Froese) and a > statement: > 'More music you'll enjoy from TANGERINE DREAM: The > Private Music of > Tangerine Dream 01005-82105-2' - which looks like > the Private Music catalog > number. So, is Windham Hill re-releasing a TD > album? > > Vic > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Wade Gordon' > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 3:36 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New Windham Hill Sampler > > > > I believe the selection is off of the american > release > > of 'Melrose' that was released by Private Music. > > > > Wade > > > > --- 'heineu ' > > wrote: > > > To Vic and Wade, > > > > > > I cant found on the official Homepage of Windham > > > Hill, any statemant > > > that the track: Cool at heart is played by TD. > On > > > the description > > > (Homepage) of the sampler is only the track name > , > > > no artists. Is > > > thats true??? > > > > > > Can you found on the back or inside cover of the > 2CD > > > Sampler the > > > Artists??? > > > > > > Cheers > > > Heiko - Mr. Opticaldream > > > http://www.opticaldream.de > > > http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Wade Gordon > > > wrote: > > > > Vic, > > > > > > > > You are absolutely correct sir. Also of note > > > there > > > > are tracks from Yanni and Patrick O'Hearn on > the > > > two > > > > c.d. set. You know I never really considered > > > Windam > > > > Hill as hip before. > > > > > > > > The tracks are very clean and the cross fades > > > > impressive. My question is why they did not > > > include > > > > more syth music. Isn't synth music 'Cill Out' > > > music? > > > > > > > > Wade > > > > --- vic rek wrote: > > > > > I just picked up a new Windham Hill sampler > with > > > the > > > > > Tangerine Dream track 'Cool at Heart'. > > > > > The title of the sampler is 'Windham Hill > > > Chill'. > > > > > What's funny is that they are marketing > > > themselves > > > > > as the original 'chill out' label. '30 > > > essential > > > > > tracks from the original chill out label' > :-) > > > > > > > > > > I guess it's so hip now to sell CDs by using > the > > > > > 'Chill out' phrase! Also, all tracks are > made > > > into > > > > > one continuous mix, which is really just a > cross > > > > > fade. > > > > > > > > > > Also, I picked up the limited edition of > 1000 > > > copies > > > > > of the FAX label 'The Ambient Cookbook II' - > > > which > > > > > is a 4CD compilation from the FAX label and > a > > > must > > > > > for anyone on this list!! Also has a track > from > > > > > Dark Side of the Moog with Klaus Schulze. > > > > > > > > > > Vic > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > To unsubscribe: > > > > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 10:43 pm Subject: The Coachman's tales Hey, While preparing for a Tangerine Dream radio special, I read the booklet of Turn of the Tides and in it is printed an excerpt from 'The Coachman's tales', by Edgar Froese. So, what is 'The Coachman's tales' - a book? Glenn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38259 Re: The Coachman's tales Totta froese2000 Wed 1/15/2003 2 KB 38273 Re: The Coachman's tales Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Thu 1/16/2003 2 KB 38335 Re: The Coachman's tales John Vertical omegatransfinito Fri 1/17/2003 3 KB 38349 The Coachman's tales esculap andrzejos2000 Sun 1/19/2003 3 KB 38361 Re: The Coachman's tales Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media) glennfolkvord Sun 1/19/2003 3 KB 38377 The Coachman's tales esculap andrzejos2000 Mon 1/20/2003 3 KB 38378 Re: The Coachman's tales Admin dale1kay Mon 1/20/2003 4 KB 38379 Re: The Coachman's tales Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media) glennfolkvord Mon 1/20/2003 2 KB 38400 Re: The Coachman's tales Adele Outland outlanda60 Tue 1/21/2003 2 KB From: Totta Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 11:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Coachman's tales Hi all If i remember correct there was a note in here where i could download the tree 3 artwork, can anyone please send that url again Thanks From: 'John Marchington' Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 11:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: sacd playability If he was playing a hybrid SACD on a CD player he would simply be listening to the standard CD layer. If he tried to play a single layer Sony SACD on a CD player he would get some sort of error, which probably depends on the player. With my Marantz CD player, I can hear the player apparently searching for (presumably) meaningful information in the table of contents on a Sony SACD disc, then it just stops and lists no track numbers on the front panel display. By the way, don't confuse DVD with SACD. They are quite different. An SACD is the physical realisation of Direct Stream Digital (DSD), a single bit format sampled at a very high frequency (2.8224MHz) that relies on Delta Sigma and not Pulse Code Modulation. The two are incompatible. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:33 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: sacd playability > Oh, I see. Well, that's kind of a bummer. I thought since babel was able to play it on a regular cd player, it might also play on a dvd player. Oh well... > > > << Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:24:15 +1300 > From: 'John Marchington' > Subject: Re: Re: if you sacd so > > You won't be able to play SACDs -- whether they be the high resolution > layers on Hybrid discs, like 'Rubycon', or the single layer discs that Sony > are currently producing -- on anything but an SACD player. There are some > players available that will play both SACD and DVD-A discs as well as > standard CDs but opinions seem divided as to whether their sound quality is > as good as that of dedicated players for SACD.>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'dustych ' Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 11:57 pm Subject: Re: if you sacd so --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Marchington' wrote: > You won't be able to play SACDs....on anything but an SACD player. Actually, that's not true. You won't be able to play the SACD layer on anything but a SACD player, but you should be able to play the regular CD layer of hybrid SACD discs on CD players. It should also work on some DVD players, but there's a trick. The problem with (even hybrid) SACD discs and DVD's is that they use the same physical properties of the disc. If your DVD player has a separate laser to read CD's, and/or if you can configure it to check for CD's first, then it should be able to 'find' the CD layer. The problem is, when it sees 'information' at its level, it thinks 'aha! I have a DVD', but then it can't find the correctly formatted information it thinks 'bummer! I canna play it, must be a bad disk', at which point it gives up. If you can get it to 'see' the CD layer first, it just might work. Funny story -- I had a black CD or two, and my SACD/CD/not-DVD player rejected it, thinking it was a bad SACD. The green light lit up for a little bit, then it went dead, just as was previously described. I reconfigured it to look for CD layers first, and after that it played fine. BTW, I disagree that the views are split on whether or not the universal players are better or not -- it was my impression that some very impressive universal players are beginning to enter the market. That may have used to have been the case, but I don't think it's the case any more. From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 12:06 am Subject: RE: [tadream] some comments about 'Tangerine Tree 3' (very long & boring ;-) No problem Heiko... You will never hear a complaint from me. And as for the cover art I have no problem with downloading it when it is ready.... Robert Asmus -----Original Message----- From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:17 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] some comments about 'Tangerine Tree 3' (very long & boring ;-) A couple of days ago I sent out the new TT3 discs to most of my branches & leaves, and it seems my timing was bad as usual because the cover artwork isn't ready yet, also the tree structure in Joe's database needs to be updated. I'm sorry for any inconvenience that has been caused, however many of the people who meanwhile have received my discs aren't even members of this mailing list, so I hope everything will go along as planned. I take this email as an opportunity to say a big THANK YOU to everyone who was involved in the making of TT3 (which IMO is the best batch so far): Wouter, Jerzy, Ramon, John, Klaus, and Maff & his gang :-) Here are some comments about the concerts that are part of TT3: Volume 17: East Berlin Palast der Republik 31 January 1980, 2 cdr (101 min.) --I guess many of you know that this was Johannes Schmoelling's first live appearance with Tangerine Dream. About two weeks ago I received an email from Johannes (the reason he wrote me was a special Tree box edition we sent to him a while ago, containg concerts from the time he was a member of TD) He told me that at that time he felt it was way too early for him to play such a big concert as he was in the band for maybe only 3-4 months, and that he was nervous as hell playing improvised music to a few thousand people. Disc 1 starts with a short introduction (in German language) in which the announcers give a brief history of what TD has done and released so far. It is then followed by 38 minutes of music which didn't make it onto 'Quichotte' (the first LP release on the GDR 'Amiga' label), nor on 'Pergamon' (the 1986 CD re-release). Really a superb track, and those who love Pergamon or Tangram will be very pleased. Disc 2 contains two tracks of which the first has a length of almost 46 minutes. The first half was used for 'Pergamon/Quichotte', the second half and the encore is also as yet unreleased. A truly mindblowing 100 minutes of music, and thanks to list member Ramon I was lucky to get my hands on a tape copy of a reel-to-reel master which was recorded in February 1980 by someone who lived in East Germany. Unfortunately the reel-to-reel recording no longer exists, but I'm sure you will be very pleased with the sound quality (except for the first 10 minutes of the music on Disc 1 which is slightly overmodulated in parts) And as with most of TD's official live releases they only tell half of the story, because you will hear more than 70 minutes of unreleased music from this magic event. This release will (hopefully) replace 'White cloths', 'Staatsgrenze West', 'Lifted curtain' etc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------- Volume 18: Montreal Place des Arts 09 April 1977 2 CDR (115 min.) --A couple of weeks ago I was told to expect a 'killer version' of this concert (a 2nd gen CHOM-FM radio broadcast), and Jerzy indeed did a fantastic job . I am deeply impressed by the music, in fact I like it better than Washington Lisner Auditorium 04 April (TT1, Vol. 4) or even the official 'Encore' release. The music somehow sounds so convincing (for use of a better word). Like Washington the concert again starts with Cherokee lane, followed by Monolight (which is very close to the version that's on 'Encore'), the rest is purely improvised. It's difficult for me to come up with a favourite track because each of them has its own fascination, but maybe the whole of Disc 2 is the winner. For me this is the best unreleased document of the 'Encore' tour. This release will (hopefully) replace 'Patrolling Space Borders' and 'Transformation'. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------- Volume 19: Paris Palais du Sport 22 November 1976, 2 CDR (114 min.) --my favourite recording of TT3, an audience master tape which will delight everyone who likes the music of Nottingham 1976 (TT1, Vol. 1) Although the sound quality doesn't quite match that of Nottingham it's still an extremly good sounding recording, and musically it's definetly on par with it. Some music sounds familiar, but for the most part it is completely different to Nottingham (especially the whole of Disc 2). What I like on Paris 76 is the variety, ranging from soft piano and mellotron passages to music which is a total freakout (with Peter Baumann screaming like as if he is possessed, and Edgar Froese playing guitar like a mad axeman :-) Maybe the best track is the first one on Disc 2, a beautiful improvisation which lasts for nearly 38 minutes, and which could go on forever. The piece starts with an announcement by Peter Baumann, and I would be glad if someone could let me know what exactly he was saying (something like 'Schönen guten Abend. We now want to play a song '.....' It's inspired by '....' and '....'. I hope you enjoy it'?!) The first encore has some serious tape speed and sound problems inbetween, but the rest is excellent. This release will (hopefully) replace 'Keepers of dreams' and 'Paris 76' ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------- Volume 20: Warsaw Sala Kongresowa 13 June 1997, 1 CDR (68 min.) --This is the complete 'Vintage set' which got broadcasted on Polish radio at least twice. There's really not much for me to say (you all know the tracks), except that the sound quality is awesome..a solid 10/10 which replaces the 'Warszawa wita was' CDR version. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Volume 21: Detroit Fox Theater 20 October 1992, 2 CDR (123 min.) --this was taken from the DAT audience master recording, and for me it's the best sounding source from the North American 'Rockoon' tour. I must admit that I wasn't very keen on '220 volt live' when it was released in 1993 (in fact I almost hated it ;-) but this full recording here is much more enjoyable to listen to. The music is for the most part a mixture of tracks taken from 'Rockoon', 'Melrose', and of music that was released as '220 volt live' almost a year after the tour was over. Here you find 'Purple haze' with sound bites of Daffy Duck (which got removed for '220 Volt live'), and lots of great guitar solos played by Zlatko Perica. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------- Volume 22: Orange Theatre Antique 16 August 1975, 1 CDR (58 min.) -- for the most part the music is overmodulated, and it does not equal the sound quality of all the other concerts in TT3, however it seems to be impossible to get hold of the master tape (and I'm not even sure if it has a cleaner sound). Those who have this concert in one way or another (it has been released as bootleg LP and various CDRs with titles like 'Oranges from France', 'A dream unbound', 'Seekers of dreams' etc.) though will hopefully find this Tree release an improvement. The music itself is brilliant, and essential for those who like fast sequencers (and here they are really fast!) It's one of those TD recordings where I have to put on my safety belt when listening to the music under headphones :-B ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------- Volume 23: Berlin Deutschlandhalle 29 November 1973, 1 CDR (40 min.) taken from a German radio broadcast, and it's quite bizarre and fascinating. A few days after this concert TD would enter the studio to record 'Phaedra', however the music on Vol. 23 has absolutely nothing to do with this album. It's more like a mixture of sounds you can hear on albums like Zeit, Alpha Centauri, or Atem. I'm sure that everyone who likes these albums will appreciate Berlin 73 (incl. yours truly), but for those who are more into sequencer music like Phaedra, Rubycon or Ricochet it may be a bit difficult to listen to. A Krautrock semi-classic. Sound quality is excellent and much better than what I had before. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Volume 24: Laguna Hills Irvine Meadows Amphitheater 06 June 1986, 2 CDR (115 min.) --a copy of the audience master tape that replaces the 'Somnambulistic imagery' boot CD version, and for me it's without a doubt the best sounding audience version from the 1986 North American tour. I absolutely LOVE the music on that tour (every tiny second!!), and it's a shame that TD hasn't released a full 2 cd version yet. Most of the music was taken from 'Underwater sunlight', but there are also bits from 'Legend' or 'Le Parc', plus unreleased music. As usual the American audience is very..err...communicative ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------- Volume 25: Detroit Ford Auditorium 31 March 1977, 2 CDR (103 min.) WARNING: to avoid deaf ears do not listen to Disc 2 loud under headphones...trust me! ;-) This show is quite unlike Monteal 77, in fact it sounds more like 'Heavy Metal TD'. Halfway through the concert it seems to me that Edgar has given up upon structure and tries his best to pay tribute to Detroit's punk band The Stooges. Detroit 77 is without a doubt the highlight of Edgar's guitar playing. Has anyone on this list seen this concert? It must have been quite an outrageous gig. For this we used an uknown but surely low generation tape (either 2nd or 3rd, no-one knows for sure), and the sound quality is very good. This release (hopefully) replaces Acoustic LSD, Snackbar dreamer in Detroit, The emerald beyond, Edison's last playoff etc etc.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Volume 26: Brussels Cirque Royal 13 October 1980, 2 CDR (101 min.) --a pleasant surprise, the sound quality of Brussels 80 is even better than on Paris Bataclan 2/2/81 (TT2, Vol. 14) So far the best version was a condensed 1 CDR release called 'Nostrasgram', but I hope/think that the Tree release is better (at least it's complete). The first set is slightly different than Paris 81, the second set is identical. First encore is 'Choronzon' (the sound quality is almost that of a radio broadcast), the second encore is like a short jam session. Some may like it, but I find it a bit uninspiring. Nevertheless it's a great concert. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ ..and this completes the results of the German jury :-) I hope everyone will enjoy the music as much as I did, and any feedback is appreciated (on or off-list) Heiko P.S.: I have about 15 complete TT3 sets for trade (17 audio CDRs against payment), those who are interested can contact me off-list and ask for details. This offer may be of interest to those who are at the end of the Tree chain :-) ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Felna Greymane Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 2:29 am Subject: LONG replies Ah.....read thru tonights digest, and about a third of it consisted of the 'replied message' text...and much of that was junk Yahoo appends to messages. About the time you get thru the third reply on a thread, this is a bit much. Just a request reminding everyone to trim replies a bit. Thanks! From: 'heineu ' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 7:03 am Subject: Re: New Windham Hill Sampler Thank you Vic, I ask this question only, because I cant found a credit on the Windham Hill Homepage, that TD played this track realy. I know that the track is taken from the Melrose release on Private Music. But I think it is better when she write on the Windham Hill Homepage , what artists are include on this sampler. Cheers and thankx Heiko - Mr. Optical www.opticaldream.de --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'vic rek' wrote: > The track 'Cool at Heart' is credited to and played by Tangerine Dream. > > In the booklet it says (Edgar Froese, Paul Haslinger, Jerome Froese) and a > statement: > 'More music you'll enjoy from TANGERINE DREAM: The Private Music of > Tangerine Dream 01005-82105-2' - which looks like the Private Music catalog > number. So, is Windham Hill re-releasing a TD album? > > Vic > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Wade Gordon' > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 3:36 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: New Windham Hill Sampler > > > > I believe the selection is off of the american release > > of 'Melrose' that was released by Private Music. > > > > Wade > > > > --- 'heineu ' > > wrote: > > > To Vic and Wade, > > > > > > I cant found on the official Homepage of Windham > > > Hill, any statemant > > > that the track: Cool at heart is played by TD. On > > > the description > > > (Homepage) of the sampler is only the track name , > > > no artists. Is > > > thats true??? > > > > > > Can you found on the back or inside cover of the 2CD > > > Sampler the > > > Artists??? > > > > > > Cheers > > > Heiko - Mr. Opticaldream > > > http://www.opticaldream.de > > > http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Wade Gordon > > > wrote: > > > > Vic, > > > > > > > > You are absolutely correct sir. Also of note > > > there > > > > are tracks from Yanni and Patrick O'Hearn on the > > > two > > > > c.d. set. You know I never really considered > > > Windam > > > > Hill as hip before. > > > > > > > > The tracks are very clean and the cross fades > > > > impressive. My question is why they did not > > > include > > > > more syth music. Isn't synth music 'Cill Out' > > > music? > > > > > > > > Wade > > > > --- vic rek wrote: > > > > > I just picked up a new Windham Hill sampler with > > > the > > > > > Tangerine Dream track 'Cool at Heart'. > > > > > The title of the sampler is 'Windham Hill > > > Chill'. > > > > > What's funny is that they are marketing > > > themselves > > > > > as the original 'chill out' label. '30 > > > essential > > > > > tracks from the original chill out label' :-) > > > > > > > > > > I guess it's so hip now to sell CDs by using the > > > > > 'Chill out' phrase! Also, all tracks are made > > > into > > > > > one continuous mix, which is really just a cross > > > > > fade. > > > > > > > > > > Also, I picked up the limited edition of 1000 > > > copies > > > > > of the FAX label 'The Ambient Cookbook II' - > > > which > > > > > is a 4CD compilation from the FAX label and a > > > must > > > > > for anyone on this list!! Also has a track from > > > > > Dark Side of the Moog with Klaus Schulze. > > > > > > > > > > Vic > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > To unsubscribe: > > > > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > > > now. > > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: > > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'David Wakefield' Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 6:10 pm Subject: Recomendations First let me apologise for asking a question I am sure has been asked before, but as a new comer to the list I hope you would me offer your opinions. I am a fan of TD and have been for many years but I see lots of references to other artists in the same ish style as TD in this forum. As my collection is all TD and some of the solo albums what other artists and their cd's would you recommend I buy to expand my collection and listening pleasure Thanks Dave W [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38288 Re: Recomendations René Brenner fairway_ch Thu 1/16/2003 3 KB 38289 Re: Recomendations tdfans tdfans Thu 1/16/2003 3 KB 38312 Re: Recomendations Vincent Goudreault vincentgoudreault Fri 1/17/2003 3 KB From: 'P.M. Dierking' Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:45 pm Subject: Re: CDs for Astoria gig > specials: we will have a special release ready for the show of > previously unavailable material. Should anyone wish to be so kind as to pick up a 'special CD' for me, I will gladly purchase their copy for them as well. Please contact off-line: pm@d... Thanks, P.M. Dierking [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Marchington' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 8:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so Sorry, I obviously didn't make myself clear. I was meaning the SACD layer of a hybrid disc when I stated that an SACD player was necessary to play it and erroneously assumed that everybody would understand that. The standard CD layer of the hybrid or an ordinary CD can be played on an SACD or CD player as you correctly state. I also have a 'no frills' DVD player and can play standard audio CDs on that. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:57 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Marchington' wrote: > > You won't be able to play SACDs....on anything but an SACD player. > > Actually, that's not true. You won't be able to play the SACD layer on anything but a SACD player, but you should be able to play the regular CD layer of hybrid SACD discs on CD players. It should also work on some DVD players, but there's a trick. > > The problem with (even hybrid) SACD discs and DVD's is that they use the same physical properties of the disc. If your DVD player has a separate laser to read CD's, and/or if you can configure it to check for CD's first, then it should be able to 'find' the CD layer. > > The problem is, when it sees 'information' at its level, it thinks 'aha! I have a DVD', but then it can't find the correctly formatted information it thinks 'bummer! I canna play it, must be a bad disk', at which point it gives up. If you can get it to 'see' the CD layer first, it just might work. > > Funny story -- I had a black CD or two, and my SACD/CD/not-DVD player rejected it, thinking it was a bad SACD. The green light lit up for a little bit, then it went dead, just as was previously described. I reconfigured it to look for CD layers first, and after that it played fine. > > BTW, I disagree that the views are split on whether or not the universal players are better or not -- it was my impression that some very impressive universal players are beginning to enter the market. That may have used to have been the case, but I don't think it's the case any more. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'John Marchington' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 9:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so I should have added a comment in response to your remarks about universal DVD-A/SACD players. When I made the comment about differences of opinion, I was referring to the Marantz DV8300 and its respective reviews in the December issue of 'Gramophone' (pages 122/123) where Andrew Everard, the magazine's Audio Editor, talks about 'The No compromise audio/video solution' and goes on to say that it's the first player in his experience to do justice to DVD-A recordings (see under 'Performance') and generally raves about the machine in playing both DVD-As and SACDs. However, the review of the same player in the November 'Hi-Fi News' (pages 42/43 and 45) is a somewhat different story with much criticism, especially when the musical material starts getting complex and loud. I quote one section from the review by Paul Miller on page 45, beginning thus:'Clearly there is no disputing the sheer versatility of the DV8300 nor the attraction of its neat, one-stop solution. But while its music remains perfectly intelligible, it still lacks that invigorating sparkle and insight regularly achieved by ostensibly less ambitious high-resolution players.' (end of quote). Two different people's opinions -- and, after reading both, it's as if each was listening to a different player. (I assume that the player Mr Miller auditioned was not faulty in any way). If I had just read Mr Everard's review and was looking for such a player I probably would have rushed out and bought it there and then. Having now read Mr Miller's as well, I would want to have a long listen to it using a variety of material before making up my mind. In the end, it's the only way one is going to be satisfied. I have no doubt that truly excellent universal players will eventually appear. I suggest, however, that they will be VERY expensive if they are to do justice to two very different formats!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:57 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Marchington' wrote: > > You won't be able to play SACDs....on anything but an SACD player. > > Actually, that's not true. You won't be able to play the SACD layer on anything but a SACD player, but you should be able to play the regular CD layer of hybrid SACD discs on CD players. It should also work on some DVD players, but there's a trick. > > The problem with (even hybrid) SACD discs and DVD's is that they use the same physical properties of the disc. If your DVD player has a separate laser to read CD's, and/or if you can configure it to check for CD's first, then it should be able to 'find' the CD layer. > > The problem is, when it sees 'information' at its level, it thinks 'aha! I have a DVD', but then it can't find the correctly formatted information it thinks 'bummer! I canna play it, must be a bad disk', at which point it gives up. If you can get it to 'see' the CD layer first, it just might work. > > Funny story -- I had a black CD or two, and my SACD/CD/not-DVD player rejected it, thinking it was a bad SACD. The green light lit up for a little bit, then it went dead, just as was previously described. I reconfigured it to look for CD layers first, and after that it played fine. > > BTW, I disagree that the views are split on whether or not the universal players are better or not -- it was my impression that some very impressive universal players are beginning to enter the market. That may have used to have been the case, but I don't think it's the case any more. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38279 Re: if you sacd so billythefish01 billythefish01 Thu 1/16/2003 4 KB From: 'braddito ' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 9:35 am Subject: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please Just so everyone is clear and doesn't get caught out - the 'goodies' that TDI will be selling appear to be for cash only, Martin has advised me that credit cards are definitely out as they take too long to verify/ authenticate, which I can understand. There are a number of banks near the Astoria, so you can pick up Sterling nearby, but it doesn't solve Lutz's problem of ending up with too much and paying commission a second time to return it to his home currency (plus getting left with coins). Martin, I think you are aware that this site is mainly loyal fans of the group, and many (like Lutz) are making a supreme effort to support TD at this show. I think it would be a big help if you could give some idea of the merchandise that TDI intend to have available - with approximate prices. I can see it being just as inefficient for you (TDI) if you keep serving people who have to drop the goods and run out to raid cash machines and then begin all over again. Regards to all Toby --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Matthew Stringer' wrote: > You won't be able to use your Euros but you will be able to use a > bank/credit card. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38272 Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please David Wakefield bolosun Thu 1/16/2003 4 KB 38275 Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 1/16/2003 2 KB 38274 Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 1/16/2003 4 KB 38277 Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please braddito braddito Thu 1/16/2003 3 KB 38316 Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please Paul Fellows paulfellowstd Fri 1/17/2003 4 KB 38281 Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please Roger Hartopp gmroger Thu 1/16/2003 4 KB 38311 Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please Hilary Wright From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 9:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Network 23 on Orbital Compilation Is Network 23 a videodrome reference? Matthew From: 'Marc Dodsworth' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 10:11 am Subject: Downloadable TT3? Hi I think this has been done for the previous two tape trees but I was wondering if some-one is going to have TT3 on an FTP server for download? Given freight costs to and from Australia these days it's cheaper for an unlimited ADSL account than postage. Also means us poor souls in the 'arse-end of the world' (to quote a former Australian Prime Minister) can get it a bit quicker :-) Thankx Marc Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38276 Re: Downloadable TT3? Robert Asmus plastics67 Thu 1/16/2003 3 KB From: 'David Wakefield' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 10:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please What about using cheque's with a cheque guarantee card? -------Original Message------- From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 16, 2003 09:35:36 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please Just so everyone is clear and doesn't get caught out - the 'goodies' that TDI will be selling appear to be for cash only, Martin has advised me that credit cards are definitely out as they take too long to verify/ authenticate, which I can understand. There are a number of banks near the Astoria, so you can pick up Sterling nearby, but it doesn't solve Lutz's problem of ending up with too much and paying commission a second time to return it to his home currency (plus getting left with coins). Martin, I think you are aware that this site is mainly loyal fans of the group, and many (like Lutz) are making a supreme effort to support TD at this show. I think it would be a big help if you could give some idea of the merchandise that TDI intend to have available - with approximate prices. I can see it being just as inefficient for you (TDI) if you keep serving people who have to drop the goods and run out to raid cash machines and then begin all over again. Regards to all Toby --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Matthew Stringer' wrote: > You won't be able to use your Euros but you will be able to use a > bank/credit card. ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38275 Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 1/16/2003 2 KB From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 10:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Coachman's tales On Wednesday 15 January 2003 10:43 pm, Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\) wrote: > While preparing for a Tangerine Dream radio special, I read the > booklet of Turn of the Tides and in it is printed an excerpt from > 'The Coachman's tales', by Edgar Froese. > So, what is 'The Coachman's tales' - a book? One that Edgar might have written, but that has never been published. I was actually naive enough at the time to ask for it at the local bookstore, but of course it wasn't available. But as Edgar's into art as well as music, I don't find it surprising that he might have tried his hand at prose, either. -- Dennis From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please At 09:35 16.01.03, you wrote: >Just so everyone is clear and doesn't get caught out - the 'goodies' >that TDI will be selling appear to be for cash only, Martin has >advised me that credit cards are definitely out as they take too long >to verify/ authenticate, which I can understand. > >There are a number of banks near the Astoria, so you can pick up >Sterling nearby, but it doesn't solve Lutz's problem of ending up >with too much and paying commission a second time to return it to his >home currency (plus getting left with coins). > >Martin, I think you are aware that this site is mainly loyal fans of >the group, and many (like Lutz) are making a supreme effort to >support TD at this show. I think it would be a big help if you could >give some idea of the merchandise that TDI intend to have available - >with approximate prices. I can see it being just as inefficient for >you (TDI) if you keep serving people who have to drop the goods and >run out to raid cash machines and then begin all over again. > >Regards to all >Toby Hi people, how about this: please remind a week before the show to post a list of available merchandise items and prices that will be sold at the show. This should solve everyone´s problems. I will also discuss with the rest of the staff the possibility of holding back a small portion of the limited CD for those to order that can´t make it to the show. I´ll let you know what will become of this. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38277 Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please braddito braddito Thu 1/16/2003 3 KB 38316 Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please Paul Fellows paulfellowstd Fri 1/17/2003 4 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please At 10:15 16.01.03, you wrote: >What about using cheque's with a cheque guarantee card? > Sorry, but not possible... the cashing-in fees would be too high. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:37 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Downloadable TT3? I am will to activate my ftp program and host TT3 for anybody that Would like to download it. All I need to get the disks and I will Set them up on my ftp client. Robert Asmus -----Original Message----- From: Marc Dodsworth [mailto:marcd@i...] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:12 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Downloadable TT3? Hi I think this has been done for the previous two tape trees but I was wondering if some-one is going to have TT3 on an FTP server for download? Given freight costs to and from Australia these days it's cheaper for an unlimited ADSL account than postage. Also means us poor souls in the 'arse-end of the world' (to quote a former Australian Prime Minister) can get it a bit quicker :-) Thankx Marc ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'braddito ' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:47 am Subject: Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please Martin, this sounds great as it should help all of us. We get to choose what we think we are going to buy (and we can help those who can't be there knowing what the costs are going to be) so we bring enough cash and TDI gain because you don't lose sales because people don't have the cash. I don't think you can do anything more given the practicalities of the situation. Thanks Toby > Hi people, > > how about this: please remind a week before the show to post a list of > available merchandise items and prices that will be sold at the show. This > should solve everyone´s problems. I will also discuss with the rest of the > staff the possibility of holding back a small portion of the limited CD for > those to order that can´t make it to the show. I´ll let you know what will > become of this. > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Gibbons, Conrad' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 12:07 pm Subject: TD get positive reviews in Q magazine! The latest edition of Q magazine writes favourable reviews of the re-releases of Zeit (4 stars) and Atem (3 stars)! I can type the review if anyone is interested. Regards, Conrad Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38282 Re: TD get positive reviews in Q magazine! Roger Hartopp gmroger Thu 1/16/2003 2 KB 38283 Re: TD get positive reviews in Q magazine! Jeffrey Au-Yeung tangram80 Thu 1/16/2003 3 KB 38286 Re: TD get positive reviews in Q magazine! billythefish01 billythefish01 Thu 1/16/2003 2 KB From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 12:10 pm Subject: Re: if you sacd so A lot has to do with musical taste itself. I have auditioned the two best reviewed universal machines (Marantz and Pioneer) and have decided to wait until said excellent machines appear (although the Marantz came close). I am in love with the Naim sound which to me adds a lot of interest and excitement which is lost by not being at the live performance. This is not everyone's cup of tea though... and for TD and EM the sense of space it adds is excellent. What systems people think TD sounds best on. Certainly, something with bass extension... --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Marchington' wrote: When I made the comment about differences of opinion, I > was referring to the Marantz DV8300 and its respective reviews in the > December issue of 'Gramophone' (pages 122/123) where Andrew Everard, the > the same player in the November 'Hi-Fi News' (pages 42/43 and 45) > > Two different people's opinions -- and, after reading both, it's as if each > was listening to a different player. > > I have no doubt that truly excellent universal players will eventually > appear. I suggest, however, that they will be VERY expensive if they are to > do justice to two very different formats!! Yes, the Rubycon SACD is a hybrid, so I will only have been listening to the CD layer. It was digitally remastered in 2001 though, so should be a better recording than previous releases. Certainly, first impressions were that there was more bass, but much more striking was how much more texture I could hear with all the atmospherics and washes. The most striking difference were the sea sounds 2/3rds way through part two which had much better imaging, and I could really hear the filters sweeping over them. If it is this good on CD then I cannot wait for an SACD player! And, yes, bring on some more SACD releases! BTF > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:57 PM > Subject: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so > > Actually, that's not true. You won't be able to play the SACD layer on > anything but a SACD player, but you should be able to play the regular CD > layer of hybrid SACD discs on CD players. From: 'Georg Oppenberg' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 12:57 pm Subject: AW: [tadream] Digest Number 1647 Hi Marc, for TT2 I was one of the download sources. I will continue to provide this service for TT3 and beyond. My server should have enough capacity to serve all who are interested, giving good download speeds. I already got in contact with Michael Berling who encodes the SHN discs to ensure the SHN files make their way on my server as soon as possible. Michael holds back the SHN discs till the artwork is finished which will be on the discs together with the music. I hope that the disc will be released till end of next week. The download server is ftp:\\tt.rondua.de. You still find TT2 on this server via anonymous FTP. Enjoy! Georg > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc Dodsworth [mailto:marcd@i...] > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:12 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Downloadable TT3? > > Hi > > I think this has been done for the previous two tape trees > but I was wondering if some-one is going to have TT3 on an > FTP server for download? > > Thankx > > Marc Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38291 Re: AW: [tadream] Digest Number 1647 Philippe Gibone pgibone Thu 1/16/2003 3 KB 38301 Re: Digest Number 1647 René Brenner fairway_ch Thu 1/16/2003 2 KB From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 12:44 pm Subject: Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please Message: 15 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:21:16 +0100 From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Subject: Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please 'Hi people, how about this: please remind a week before the show to post a list of available merchandise items and prices that will be sold at the show. This should solve everyone´s problems. I will also discuss with the rest of the staff the possibility of holding back a small portion of the limited CD for those to order that can´t make it to the show. I´ll let you know what will become of this. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak' I think, Martin, it would be a very good idea if you could hold back a small portion of the limited CD. With the considerable number of people writing to the list asking folks to get hold of copies for them, I'm concerned that there may well be a number of opportunists who will buy ten copies or more, knowing they stand a pretty good chance of getting more than their money back. I'm one of those folk who has asked someone very kindly to get me two copies for myself and Jarek Wiktorowicz, but I don't want my buyer to find that he's made his way to the front of the queue only to find they've all been sold out because one b@$***d bought a hundred copies only to flog them all on e-bay. There are many who will not have the chance to get hold of the disc, like 'The Keep', which was sold only on the UK tour in 1996 and now fetches a considerable amount of money. They really should not have their hopes dashed. -Roger Hartopp (who would really like to go and can't make it this time... :-( Just ***************r-e-k-l-a-m-a************** Chcesz oszczedzic na kosztach obslugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38311 Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please Hilary Wright From: 'Roger Hartopp ' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 1:39 pm Subject: Re: TD get positive reviews in Q magazine! I recall a couple of months ago Electronic Meditation only got two stars in Q. Conversely, the same mag, on the Castle Communications re-release a few years ago, gave it four. So what's the difference?:-O Roger Hartopp --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Gibbons, Conrad' wrote: > > The latest edition of Q magazine writes favourable reviews of the re-releases of Zeit (4 stars) and Atem (3 stars)! I can type the review if anyone is interested. > > Regards, > > Conrad Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38283 Re: TD get positive reviews in Q magazine! Jeffrey Au-Yeung tangram80 Thu 1/16/2003 3 KB 38286 Re: TD get positive reviews in Q magazine! billythefish01 billythefish01 Thu 1/16/2003 2 KB From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 1:43 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD get positive reviews in Q magazine! Are the reviews written by the same person? Jeffrey -----Original Message----- From: Roger Hartopp [mailto:gmroger@p...] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:40 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: TD get positive reviews in Q magazine! I recall a couple of months ago Electronic Meditation only got two stars in Q. Conversely, the same mag, on the Castle Communications re-release a few years ago, gave it four. So what's the difference?:-O Roger Hartopp --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Gibbons, Conrad' wrote: > > The latest edition of Q magazine writes favourable reviews of the re-releases of Zeit (4 stars) and Atem (3 stars)! I can type the review if anyone is interested. > > Regards, > > Conrad ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Glynn Naughton ' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 1:46 pm Subject: _Day of the Dead_ soundtrack All, You might be interested to know that the synth score for the film _Day of the Dead_ is finally available on CD. A loathsome, moronic film that I'm ashamed to admit having seen (as part of the 'video nasty' period that most Brits who were teenagers round about 1984 went through), _DotD_ nevertheless produced, IMO, one of the best synth scores ever; far better than TD's scores. I hoped for years that it would appear on CD and it finally has! The opening titles music, in particular (which on this CD is about the first 7 minutes of 'The Dead Suite') is outstanding. As with all synth scores, some bits have dated and developed a healthy cheezy topping, but it stands up far better than most of these 80s artifacts. You can get it from www.numenoreanmusic.com Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38292 Re: _Day of the Dead_ soundtrack Wade Gordon mindvoyager1 Thu 1/16/2003 3 KB 38293 Re: _Day of the Dead_ soundtrack Wade Gordon mindvoyager1 Thu 1/16/2003 3 KB 38323 Re: _Day of the Dead_ soundtrack Marko Marin rubyconist Fri 1/17/2003 2 KB 38322 Re: _Day of the Dead_ soundtrack Marko Marin rubyconist Fri 1/17/2003 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 2:06 pm Subject: Other Artists >David Wakefield asked: >First let me apologise for asking a question I am sure has been asked >before, but as a new comer to the list I hope you would me offer your >opinions. > >I am a fan of TD and have been for many years but I see lots of references >to other artists in the same ish style as TD in this forum. As my >collection is all >TD and some of the solo albums what other artists and their cd's would you >recommend I >buy to expand my collection and listening pleasure -Arcane -Airsculpture -Free System Projekt -Kubusschnitt -Redshift -Klaus Schulze (you have to pick and choose if you want his music that evolves quicker than 30 minutes!, like Historic Edition and Dark Side of the Moog compilation) -Peter Baumann - Transharmonic Nights -Radio Massacre International and if you want to broaden a little, -Star Sounds Orchestra (w/ Steve Schroyder who performed on Alpha Centauri and Zeit) -Wolfram Spyra and don't forget some of the Edgar Froese solo work. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38290 Re: Other Artists tony.vandergaag@p... symfoon Thu 1/16/2003 4 KB 38294 Re: Other Artists Heiko Heerssen td_freak Thu 1/16/2003 3 KB 38324 Re: Other Artists TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 1/17/2003 3 KB 38299 Re: Other Artists John Vertical omegatransfinito Thu 1/16/2003 2 KB 38318 Re: Other Artists tony.vandergaag@p... symfoon Fri 1/17/2003 2 KB 38319 Re: Other Artists Debra Wilson goatsong99 Fri 1/17/2003 4 KB 38321 Re: Other Artists Steven Feldman losmara Fri 1/17/2003 2 KB 38325 Re: Other Artists Pergamon pergamondk Fri 1/17/2003 2 KB 38327 Re: Other Artists quarlie@a... Quarlie Fri 1/17/2003 2 KB From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 2:24 pm Subject: Re: TD get positive reviews in Q magazine! At the same time, they gave Alpha Centauri four stars. --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Roger Hartopp ' wrote: > I recall a couple of months ago Electronic Meditation only got two stars in Q. > > Conversely, the same mag, on the Castle Communications re-release a few years ago, gave it four. > > So what's the difference?:-O > > Roger Hartopp > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Gibbons, Conrad' wrote: > > > > The latest edition of Q magazine writes favourable reviews of the re-releases of Zeit (4 stars) and Atem (3 stars)! I can type the review if anyone is interested. > > > > Regards, > > > > Conrad From: kevine@c... Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 2:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Network 23 on Orbital Compilation > The compilation is called 'Back to Mine' > I only recognize 4 out of 19! - I must be getting old :-) But, I recommend the Severed Heads track - We have come to Bless this House. It is from their excellent 1984 release 'City Slab Horror' which should be available via streaming mp3 from their website: www.sevcom.com Unfortunately, it wasn't working a few minutes ago. Still, you could listen to 1983's Since the Accident, which is nearly as good. :-| Kevin Earley IBM DB2 UDB Tools, Connectivity and Extenders Support From: René Brenner Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 3:56 pm Subject: Re: Recomendations --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'David Wakefield' wrote: > > First let me apologise for asking a question I am sure has been asked > before, but > as a new comer to the list I hope you would me offer your opinions. > > I am a fan of TD and have been for many years but I see lots of references > to other > artists in the same ish style as TD in this forum. As my collection is all > TD and some > of the solo albums what other artists and their cd's would you recommend I > buy to expand > my collection and listening pleasure > > Thanks Dave W Not an easy question, because as you know each period of TD has its own style. There are the early experimental years, the improvised sequenced 75/76 shows, the golden 80ties, the new-agey 90ties... Today there are several artists which try to recreate a certain time period (for example 75/76 ) in its own way like Free System Projekt, Air Sculpture etc. So if you like a lot Inferno, these 2 bands are probably not the ones your are looking for. Rene From: 'tdfans' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 5:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Recomendations http://www.domfscab.com/ http://www.johnlakveet.com Regards , Jupe ----- Original Message ----- From: 'René Brenner' To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:56 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Recomendations > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'David Wakefield' wrote: > > > > First let me apologise for asking a question I am sure has been > asked > > before, but > > as a new comer to the list I hope you would me offer your opinions. > > > > I am a fan of TD and have been for many years but I see lots of > references > > to other > > artists in the same ish style as TD in this forum. As my collection > is all > > TD and some > > of the solo albums what other artists and their cd's would you > recommend I > > buy to expand > > my collection and listening pleasure > > > > Thanks Dave W > > Not an easy question, because as you know each period of TD has its > own style. There are the early experimental years, the improvised > sequenced 75/76 shows, the golden 80ties, the new-agey 90ties... > Today there are several artists which try to recreate a certain time > period (for example 75/76 ) in its own way like Free System Projekt, > Air Sculpture etc. So if you like a lot Inferno, these 2 bands are > probably not the ones your are looking for. > > Rene > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: tony.vandergaag@p... Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 5:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Other Artists Yesss !!!, would certainly go for Radio Massacre International.... in a way they sound more TD than TD ever did ;-)) Kubusschnitt and Redshift are very good as well, would not say Klaus Schulze is same as TD if i can recommend one KS album to you i would go for 'X' tony/rotterdam Citeren Morgan Feldon : > > >David Wakefield asked: > >First let me apologise for asking a question I am sure has been asked > >before, but as a new comer to the list I hope you would me offer your > >opinions. > > > >I am a fan of TD and have been for many years but I see lots of references > >to other artists in the same ish style as TD in this forum. As my > >collection is all > >TD and some of the solo albums what other artists and their cd's would you > >recommend I > >buy to expand my collection and listening pleasure > > -Arcane > -Airsculpture > -Free System Projekt > -Kubusschnitt > -Redshift > -Klaus Schulze (you have to pick and choose if you want his music that > evolves quicker than 30 minutes!, like Historic Edition and Dark Side of > the Moog compilation) > -Peter Baumann - Transharmonic Nights > -Radio Massacre International > > and if you want to broaden a little, > -Star Sounds Orchestra (w/ Steve Schroyder who performed on Alpha Centauri > and Zeit) > -Wolfram Spyra > > and don't forget some of the Edgar Froese solo work. > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Philippe Gibone' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 1:23 pm Subject: Re: AW: [tadream] Digest Number 1647 Hello Excuse a new-bie stupid question but what do I do with a shn file ? A simple standard ordinary copy on a CDR and then I put it in my cd reader ? Philippe >The download server is ftp:\\tt.rondua.de. You still find TT2 on this >server via anonymous FTP. > >Enjoy! > >Georg > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! http://search.msn.fr/worldwide.asp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38301 Re: Digest Number 1647 René Brenner fairway_ch Thu 1/16/2003 2 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 5:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] _Day of the Dead_ soundtrack Dear Glynn, 'The Day of the Dead' (ost) has been out on c.d. before. I guess that this is a reissue and might it possible contain unreleased tracks? The website you have given previously does not list the tracks. I do have the c.d. (which came out in the 80's) and agree that it has some pretty nifty sounds. After listening to mine again I noticed that the c.d. has the typical 80's synth sound. Although ultilizing the readily available digital sounds it does go off on its own tangent. And this is a very good thing. Wade --- 'Glynn Naughton ' wrote: > All, > > You might be interested to know that the synth score > for > the film _Day of the Dead_ is finally available on > CD. A loathsome, moronic film that I'm ashamed to > admit > having seen (as part of the 'video nasty' period > that > most Brits who were teenagers round about 1984 went > through), _DotD_ nevertheless produced, IMO, one of > the best synth scores ever; far better than TD's > scores. > I hoped for years that it would appear on CD and it > finally has! > > The opening titles music, in particular (which on > this > CD is about the first 7 minutes of 'The Dead Suite') > is > outstanding. As with all synth scores, some bits > have > dated and developed a healthy cheezy topping, but it > stands > up far better than most of these 80s artifacts. > > You can get it from www.numenoreanmusic.com > > Glynn > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: Wade Gordon Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 5:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] _Day of the Dead_ soundtrack Dear Glynn, 'The Day of the Dead' (ost) has been out on c.d. before. I guess that this is a reissue and might it possible contain unreleased tracks? The website you have given previously does not list the tracks. I do have the c.d. (which came out in the 80's) and agree that it has some pretty nifty sounds. After listening to mine again I noticed that the c.d. has the typical 80's synth sound. Although ultilizing the readily available digital sounds it does go off on its own tangent. And this is a very good thing. Wade --- 'Glynn Naughton ' wrote: > All, > > You might be interested to know that the synth score > for > the film _Day of the Dead_ is finally available on > CD. A loathsome, moronic film that I'm ashamed to > admit > having seen (as part of the 'video nasty' period > that > most Brits who were teenagers round about 1984 went > through), _DotD_ nevertheless produced, IMO, one of > the best synth scores ever; far better than TD's > scores. > I hoped for years that it would appear on CD and it > finally has! > > The opening titles music, in particular (which on > this > CD is about the first 7 minutes of 'The Dead Suite') > is > outstanding. As with all synth scores, some bits > have > dated and developed a healthy cheezy topping, but it > stands > up far better than most of these 80s artifacts. > > You can get it from www.numenoreanmusic.com > > Glynn > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38323 Re: _Day of the Dead_ soundtrack Marko Marin rubyconist Fri 1/17/2003 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 5:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Other Artists > would certainly go for Radio Massacre International.... > in a way they sound more TD than TD ever did ;-)) Steve Dinsdale (of RMI) once told me that he wondered why everyone thinks of their music as being so heavily influenced by TD, because he thinks it is not ;-) > , would not say Klaus Schulze is same as TD if i can recommend > one KS album to you i would go for 'X' 'X' is great, but MIRAGE is even more powerful. One of the best albums ever made. Period. :-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38324 Re: Other Artists TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 1/17/2003 3 KB From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 5:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1647 <> I's have thought it was a Max Headroom reference. 'Network 23! The network that's a REAL mind blower! And I just LO-LO-LO-LOVE those blipverts!' ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38296 Re: Digest Number 1647 billythefish01 billythefish01 Thu 1/16/2003 2 KB 38300 Re: Digest Number 1647 Pergamon pergamondk Thu 1/16/2003 3 KB From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 5:59 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 1647 PLEASE tell me what you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos... --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Chris Richards wrote: > > 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'- James Earl Jones > From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 6:14 pm Subject: off list Anyone know of a good insurance company to insure music instruments and the like(equipment like mixers)? Rate I got was $10.00 per $1000.00 value. Contact me off list Please. Dale From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 6:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: yo-yo-flamingos >PLEASE tell me what you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of >flamingos... Plenty of bent knees? I'd be interested to know the 'correct' answer, too... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38326 Re: OT: yo-yo-flamingos John McIntyre mcinty10 Fri 1/17/2003 2 KB 38329 Re: OT: yo-yo-flamingos billythefish01 billythefish01 Fri 1/17/2003 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 6:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Other Artists >and if you want to broaden a little, >-Star Sounds Orchestra (w/ Steve Schroyder who performed on Alpha Centauri >and Zeit) >-Wolfram Spyra > >-Morgan Could we broaden a little bit more? I'd be interested in hearing about people who do music that would be structure-vise similar to TD (instrumental, long pieces, etc.) but not necessarily electronic? I don't exactly mean Pink Floyd or Mike Oldfield, rather something more ... wait a minute ... In a more classical style? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38318 Re: Other Artists tony.vandergaag@p... symfoon Fri 1/17/2003 2 KB 38319 Re: Other Artists Debra Wilson goatsong99 Fri 1/17/2003 4 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 6:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Digest Number 1647 I think you have to watch Disney's Fantasia 2000 to get the answer........... Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:59 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Digest Number 1647 > PLEASE tell me what you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of > flamingos... > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Chris Richards > wrote: > > > > > 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'- > James Earl Jones > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: René Brenner Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 7:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1647 --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Philippe Gibone' wrote: > Hello > Excuse a new-bie stupid question but what do I do with a shn file ? A simple > standard ordinary copy on a CDR and then I put it in my cd reader ? You have to decompress it first back to WAV using the Shorten tool available for Windoze at http://www.etree.org/mkw.html. Then just use your usual burner application and burn the WAVs on a CDR. Be sure to avoid the 2-sec pre-gap. Rene From: 'Duncan McKee ' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 7:46 pm Subject: feb 15th hi all does anyone know any good pubs near the astoria where we can all meet up? Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk www.tangerine-dream.co.uk MSN Messenger dmckee20@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38303 Re: feb 15th Colin Jouxson convention24 Thu 1/16/2003 2 KB 38307 Re: feb 15th Duncan McKee billythefish01 Fri 1/17/2003 3 KB 38333 Re: feb 15th David Wakefield bolosun Fri 1/17/2003 3 KB From: 'Colin Jouxson ' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 8:19 pm Subject: Re: feb 15th --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Duncan McKee ' wrote: > hi all > does anyone know any good pubs near the astoria where we can all > meet up? > > > > Duncan McKee > > tangram@t... > www.tadream.co.uk > www.tangerine-dream.co.uk > > MSN Messenger dmckee20@h... Here here,that would be very helpful,hopefully it will be one thats big enough to accommadate a good crowd. looking forward to seeing you all there. Best regards CJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38307 Re: feb 15th Duncan McKee From: 'Colin Jouxson ' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 8:27 pm Subject: re-Other Artists. Rainbow Serpent,absolutely magnificent.Have a sit down and listen to PULSE,Frank Specht and Gerd weinkamp have made some Awesome music. From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 8:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: recording limitations This isn't the 30th aniversary version is it? Its the 20th, back in the 90's! I have it too... Some parts were re-recorded, the accostic guitar on the end of Part 1/side1 , and much remixing. The vinyl version,the 1973, is better. Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Matthew Stringer' To: Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:32 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: recording limitations > I bought a remastered anniversary edition of Mike Oldfield's Tubular > Bells only to find that the original vinyl sounded much better. I've > never heard a CD that sounds better than the equivalent vinyl but as > they are a lot more convenient so I tend to play them more. > > Most modern studio recordings are made using 24 Bit recorders so an SACD > would be an exact copy of the studio master which makes them quite > special. > > I would be surprised if the old vinyl could match them. > > Matthew > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: billythefish01 > [mailto:mudspanker@y...] > Sent: 14 January 2003 09:51 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: recording limitations > > Although I have always been a bit of a vinyl snob (and still prefer > that format over CD - I had 65 CDs before buying my first player!) > this information is fascinating and confirms why I am beginning to > prefer some (particularly EM) CDs over vinyl for sound. > > I was very lucky whilst in HMV the other day to find the SACD > release of Rubycon, and although I have yet to purchase an SACD > player, its sound when played on a standard CD player is stunning > when compared to my old OVED vinyl release. > > I am really looking forward to the day that multi-channel TD music > is available. Surely the next step? > > TTFN, > > BTF > > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Bill Fox' wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Admin' > > > Does anyone remember the max level a vinyl recording could do > (track)? > > > Has anyone examine the Rubycon CD's with the original vinyl > recording and > > > the levels they both contain? To me it just seems the CD is > hotter. Maybe > > > the level is higher. If so then would not the soft parts also be > raised a > > > bit or is it compressed? > > > > The max level of an LP has nothing to do with your perception of > the CD sounding > > hotter. In fact, LPs HAD NO MAX VALUE! Yes, conditions could > cause the needle > > to jump the groove if amplitudes, frequency content, phase > relationships, > > program content, etc. combined in a bad way. But an LP with a lot > of playing > > time had to be cut softer than an LP that had a shorter playing > time. Yes, > > there was a volume vs. playing time relationship. So the max > volume on one LP > > could be VASTLY different from the max volume of another LP. What > most people > > don't realize, aside from the RIAA curve being applied to all LPs > (reduce bass > > at the cutting lathe and boosting bass at playback, etc.), when an > LP was mixed, > > it then was mastered to fit on an LP. Band limiting EQ, > compression, volume > > setting, etc. were done to final mixes to make the master tapes > used to drive > > cutting lathes. Early CDs used these master tapes in order to get > product on > > the shelves in a hurry. Later, mix tapes were used so that LP > mastering that > > limited bandwidth and dynamic range wouldn't be strangling the > music we hear on > > CD. What you need to ask is: How was the LP mastered and how was > the CD you > > heard mastered and how did these differ? If there were multiple > issues of the > > CD, were there different mastering techniques used? CD has wider > dynamic range > > than LPs do so compression isn't required. But we grew up > listening to LPs > > which were very much compressed and we grew accustomed to hearing > music that > > way. Plus (commercial) radio needs a hot signal to maximize its > audience size, > > hence the price it can charge for advertising, hence its profits. > Were any of > > these and other considerations taken into account when the CD you > have was > > mastered? > > > > And you thought you asked a simple question! :-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bill > > Fox's Den Recording > > http://foxesden.us > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38308 Re: recording limitations Matthew Stringer Thu 1/16/2003 8 KB 38343 Tubular 30th Anniv Michael A Jean mikejeanwork Sat 1/18/2003 3 KB 38395 Re: Tubular 30th Anniv Marko Marin rubyconist Tue 1/21/2003 2 KB 38426 Re: Tubular 30th Anniv Glynn Naughton From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 9:01 pm Subject: Re: insurance Yes, please: ditto. Also off-list. Liondream@a... << Subject: off list Anyone know of a good insurance company to insure music instruments and the like(equipment like mixers)? Rate I got was $10.00 per $1000.00 value. Contact me off list Please. Dale>>> From: 'Duncan McKee ' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 10:49 pm Subject: Re: feb 15th hi all after a liitle searching on the net i have found a pub which may do for us. it is called the MOON UNDER WATER, here is a link to it http://www.beerguide.co.uk/towns/westminster.htm it is not that far from the astoria theatre Duncan --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Colin Jouxson ' wrote: > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Duncan McKee ' > wrote: > > hi all > > does anyone know any good pubs near the astoria where we can all > > meet up? > > > > > > > > Duncan McKee > > > > tangram@t... > > www.tadream.co.uk > > www.tangerine-dream.co.uk > > > > MSN Messenger dmckee20@h... > Here here,that would be very helpful,hopefully it will be one thats > big enough to accommadate a good crowd. > looking forward to seeing you all there. > Best regards > CJ From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:01 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: recording limitations I think it's the 25th; it came in a fancy box with pictures and background info and was pressed on a gold CD. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Paul Dryden [mailto:paulus.d@f...] Sent: 16 January 2003 20:44 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: recording limitations This isn't the 30th aniversary version is it? Its the 20th, back in the 90's! I have it too... Some parts were re-recorded, the accostic guitar on the end of Part 1/side1 , and much remixing. The vinyl version,the 1973, is better. Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Matthew Stringer' To: Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:32 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: recording limitations > I bought a remastered anniversary edition of Mike Oldfield's Tubular > Bells only to find that the original vinyl sounded much better. I've > never heard a CD that sounds better than the equivalent vinyl but as > they are a lot more convenient so I tend to play them more. > > Most modern studio recordings are made using 24 Bit recorders so an SACD > would be an exact copy of the studio master which makes them quite > special. > > I would be surprised if the old vinyl could match them. > > Matthew > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: billythefish01 > [mailto:mudspanker@y...] > Sent: 14 January 2003 09:51 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: recording limitations > > Although I have always been a bit of a vinyl snob (and still prefer > that format over CD - I had 65 CDs before buying my first player!) > this information is fascinating and confirms why I am beginning to > prefer some (particularly EM) CDs over vinyl for sound. > > I was very lucky whilst in HMV the other day to find the SACD > release of Rubycon, and although I have yet to purchase an SACD > player, its sound when played on a standard CD player is stunning > when compared to my old OVED vinyl release. > > I am really looking forward to the day that multi-channel TD music > is available. Surely the next step? > > TTFN, > > BTF > > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Bill Fox' wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Admin' > > > Does anyone remember the max level a vinyl recording could do > (track)? > > > Has anyone examine the Rubycon CD's with the original vinyl > recording and > > > the levels they both contain? To me it just seems the CD is > hotter. Maybe > > > the level is higher. If so then would not the soft parts also be > raised a > > > bit or is it compressed? > > > > The max level of an LP has nothing to do with your perception of > the CD sounding > > hotter. In fact, LPs HAD NO MAX VALUE! Yes, conditions could > cause the needle > > to jump the groove if amplitudes, frequency content, phase > relationships, > > program content, etc. combined in a bad way. But an LP with a lot > of playing > > time had to be cut softer than an LP that had a shorter playing > time. Yes, > > there was a volume vs. playing time relationship. So the max > volume on one LP > > could be VASTLY different from the max volume of another LP. What > most people > > don't realize, aside from the RIAA curve being applied to all LPs > (reduce bass > > at the cutting lathe and boosting bass at playback, etc.), when an > LP was mixed, > > it then was mastered to fit on an LP. Band limiting EQ, > compression, volume > > setting, etc. were done to final mixes to make the master tapes > used to drive > > cutting lathes. Early CDs used these master tapes in order to get > product on > > the shelves in a hurry. Later, mix tapes were used so that LP > mastering that > > limited bandwidth and dynamic range wouldn't be strangling the > music we hear on > > CD. What you need to ask is: How was the LP mastered and how was > the CD you > > heard mastered and how did these differ? If there were multiple > issues of the > > CD, were there different mastering techniques used? CD has wider > dynamic range > > than LPs do so compression isn't required. But we grew up > listening to LPs > > which were very much compressed and we grew accustomed to hearing > music that > > way. Plus (commercial) radio needs a hot signal to maximize its > audience size, > > hence the price it can charge for advertising, hence its profits. > Were any of > > these and other considerations taken into account when the CD you > have was > > mastered? > > > > And you thought you asked a simple question! :-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bill > > Fox's Den Recording > > http://foxesden.us > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! 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From: 'John Marchington' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so Regarding the two Marantz DV8300 reviews I spoke of, your comment about musical taste is very true in this instance, with Mr Everard of 'Gramophone' tending to concentrate on listening to classical music while the recordings Mr Miller from 'Hi-Fi News' used in his auditioning seemed to be devoted to pop. My SACD player is actually an early Sony two channel player but it has been extensively modified in numerous ways -- a new clock module and totally new analogue filter board with discrete components in place of op amps and the elimination of all coupling capacitors in the signal path-- so that it now produces a totally different sort of sound from Sony's design: far greater refinement, clarity and spaciousness and tremendous punch at low frequencies. I have a number of CD players including a Marantz CD-7 and the monoblock amps/pre-amp are a NZ designed and manufactured valve set up with MOS-FET output stages in the monoblocks that drive very large electrostatic speakers from the US, which are capable of producing high sound levels without distress and massive amounts of genuine bass. For me the best TD sound, like that from many of the Virgin recordings, incorporates depth and spaciousness -- the SACD 'Rubycon' is marvellous in both respects -- but I agree that bass extension is important as well. The electrostatics are great for producing all those characteristics. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 1:10 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so > A lot has to do with musical taste itself. I have auditioned the two > best reviewed universal machines (Marantz and Pioneer) and have > decided to wait until said excellent machines appear (although the > Marantz came close). I am in love with the Naim sound which to me > adds a lot of interest and excitement which is lost by not being at > the live performance. This is not everyone's cup of tea though... > and for TD and EM the sense of space it adds is excellent. > > What systems people think TD sounds best on. Certainly, something > with bass extension... > > > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Marchington' > wrote: > When I made the comment about differences of opinion, I > > was referring to the Marantz DV8300 and its respective reviews in > the > > December issue of 'Gramophone' (pages 122/123) where Andrew > Everard, the > > > the same player in the November 'Hi-Fi News' (pages 42/43 and 45) > > > > Two different people's opinions -- and, after reading both, it's > as if each > > was listening to a different player. > > > I have no doubt that truly excellent universal players will > eventually > > appear. I suggest, however, that they will be VERY expensive if > they are to > > do justice to two very different formats!! > > > Yes, the Rubycon SACD is a hybrid, so I will only have been > listening to the CD layer. It was digitally remastered in 2001 > though, so should be a better recording than previous releases. > > Certainly, first impressions were that there was more bass, but much > more striking was how much more texture I could hear with all the > atmospherics and washes. The most striking difference were the sea > sounds 2/3rds way through part two which had much better imaging, > and I could really hear the filters sweeping over them. > > If it is this good on CD then I cannot wait for an SACD player! And, > yes, bring on some more SACD releases! > > BTF > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:57 PM > > Subject: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so > > > > Actually, that's not true. You won't be able to play the SACD > layer on > > anything but a SACD player, but you should be able to play the > regular CD > > layer of hybrid SACD discs on CD players. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Hilary Wright ' Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 1:12 am Subject: FTP server UP Dear Friends, Just a note to let you know that my FTP server is back up, mostly at weekends as usual. Hilary Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38415 Re: FTP server UP marracc2000 marracc2000 Wed 1/22/2003 2 KB 38416 Re: FTP server UP Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Wed 1/22/2003 2 KB 38417 Re: FTP server UP Rolf Elfström rcade666 Wed 1/22/2003 2 KB From: 'Hilary Wright ' Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 1:16 am Subject: Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please Hi Martin, I too, would appreciate it if you could 'hold back' a copy of the tour CD. Perhaps you could make them available on the website? Hilary --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Roger Hartopp' wrote: > Message: 15 > Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:21:16 +0100 > From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak > Subject: Re: Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please > > 'Hi people, > > how about this: please remind a week before the show to post a list of > available merchandise items and prices that will be sold at the show. This > should solve everyone´s problems. I will also discuss with the rest of the > staff the possibility of holding back a small portion of the limited CD for > those to order that can´t make it to the show. I´ll let you know what will > become of this. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak' From: Vincent Goudreault Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 1:24 am Subject: Re: Recomendations > Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:10:52 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) > From: 'David Wakefield' > Subject: Recomendations > > > First let me apologise for asking a question I am sure has been asked > before, but > as a new comer to the list I hope you would me offer your opinions. > > I am a fan of TD and have been for many years but I see lots of references > to other > artists in the same ish style as TD in this forum. As my collection is all > TD and some > of the solo albums what other artists and their cd's would you recommend I > buy to expand > my collection and listening pleasure > > Thanks Dave W No apologies required Dave. As to what you would consider worthy of attention, it all depends on your favourite area or style, in most cases, this is linked with the style TD had one the album that got you 'hooked'. Surely others members of the group will come up with their own views. As for me, since the first exposure I had was from the Froese Franke Beauman period (Phaedra, Rubycon, Stratosfear, Ricochet) I favour the somewhat spacey style, long tracks, with SEQUENCER! Goota love those sequencers! For more in the same vein, Mark Shreeve's latest project ARC (with Ian Boddy, whom I haven't checked solo yet) and especially his band Redshift (5 albums so far, the last two came out in the last few months) feel just like circa 1975 TD; which is just what I needed. Regards C.B.Vincent Goudreault First exposure: Stratosfear Fave albums: Ricochet/Rubycon From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 2:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Recommendations 'David Wakefield' writes: >I am a fan of TD and have been for many years but I see lots of references >to other artists in the same ish style as TD in this forum. As my collection is all >TD and some of the solo albums what other artists and their cd's would you recommend I >buy to expand my collection and listening pleasure In addition to what others have recommended, I would suggest looking into the Brain (there appear to be multiple entities that have recorded under that name - I'm referring to the one with the album 'Access and Amplify'), Synaesthesia, and the two 'Spheres' albums by Delerium. And if you want to see how different you can get while retaining a noticeable and explicit TD influence, check out Forma Tadre. --Daniel NP: Juno Reactor - Bible of Dreams [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38314 new Berlin School friendly sequencer Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Fri 1/17/2003 2 KB From: Eric Williamson Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 6:12 am Subject: new Berlin School friendly sequencer check out the new sequencer Numerology at http://five12.com i've been using it for awhile, and it lets you do alot of fiddly Franke-style tricks very easily without tracking down those rare PPG and Moog 960 sequencers. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 6:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: feb 15th > hi all > after a liitle searching on the net i have found a pub which may do > for us. > it is called the MOON UNDER WATER, here is a link to it > http://www.beerguide.co.uk/towns/westminster.htm > > it is not that far from the astoria theatre Well it has my vote! (unless someone else comes up with a better suggestion) 'The beer was great' and 'the food as always was good'...but are you sure this is really a London pub? ;-)))) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38334 Re: feb 15th billythefish01 billythefish01 Fri 1/17/2003 3 KB From: Paul Fellows Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 7:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria - paying for the goodies - Martin, help please Hi all, Martin's efforts are greatly appreciated, how many bands do you know that would go to those lengths? One thing though, I think there are still quite a lot of people who are worried that the copies will sell out before they get to the front of the queue - if it was me, I would restrict the number that any one person could buy, perhaps 5 would be reasonable - what do you think? Paul Fellows (who will be there :-)) on 15/01/03 18:21, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak at martin@t... wrote: > At 09:35 16.01.03, you wrote: >> Just so everyone is clear and doesn't get caught out - the 'goodies' >> that TDI will be selling appear to be for cash only, Martin has >> advised me that credit cards are definitely out as they take too long >> to verify/ authenticate, which I can understand. >> >> There are a number of banks near the Astoria, so you can pick up >> Sterling nearby, but it doesn't solve Lutz's problem of ending up >> with too much and paying commission a second time to return it to his >> home currency (plus getting left with coins). >> >> Martin, I think you are aware that this site is mainly loyal fans of >> the group, and many (like Lutz) are making a supreme effort to >> support TD at this show. I think it would be a big help if you could >> give some idea of the merchandise that TDI intend to have available - >> with approximate prices. I can see it being just as inefficient for >> you (TDI) if you keep serving people who have to drop the goods and >> run out to raid cash machines and then begin all over again. >> >> Regards to all >> Toby > > Hi people, > > how about this: please remind a week before the show to post a list of > available merchandise items and prices that will be sold at the show. This > should solve everyone´s problems. I will also discuss with the rest of the > staff the possibility of holding back a small portion of the limited CD for > those to order that can´t make it to the show. I´ll let you know what will > become of this. > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org From: 'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR' Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:58 am Subject: RE:shn files (was [tadream] Digest Number 1648) etree also had a plugin for winamp2 that allows you to play shn files directly (from the cdr if needed). daniel From: tony.vandergaag@p... Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 9:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Other Artists Hi John Citeren John Vertical : > Could we broaden a little bit more? I'd be interested in hearing about > people who do music that would be structure-vise similar to TD > (instrumental, long pieces, etc.) but not necessarily electronic? > > I don't exactly mean Pink Floyd or Mike Oldfield, rather something more ... > wait a minute ... In a more classical style? a more 'classical style' ?? ever tried a british band called 'the enid' ??? their albums 'in the region of the summer stars' and 'aerie faery nonsense' are true classics indeed ........ tony/rotterdam Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38319 Re: Other Artists Debra Wilson goatsong99 Fri 1/17/2003 4 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 9:08 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Other Artists This will be the most pointless nonsence you'll here, but if there is a used cd store near you, go out and grab half a dozen $1 or $2 cds... cheaper then singles, and you could find something you really enjoy with little to lose. :-) Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: tony.vandergaag@p... [mailto:tony.vandergaag@p...] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 1:08 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Other Artists Hi John Citeren John Vertical : > Could we broaden a little bit more? I'd be interested in hearing about > people who do music that would be structure-vise similar to TD > (instrumental, long pieces, etc.) but not necessarily electronic? > > I don't exactly mean Pink Floyd or Mike Oldfield, rather something more ... > wait a minute ... In a more classical style? a more 'classical style' ?? ever tried a british band called 'the enid' ??? their albums 'in the region of the summer stars' and 'aerie faery nonsense' are true classics indeed ........ tony/rotterdam ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 9:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so I never thought that electrostatic speakers were very good in the old bass department, I've heard a few hybrid speakers that try to give the best of both worlds but I've always prefered normal magnetic speakers. Also why would you have a valve amp with a Metal Oxide Semiconductor field-effect transistor output? It's usually one or the other. I've seen valve preamps but you wouldn't use that on a CD, usually a guitar! Matthew I have a number of CD players including a Marantz CD-7 and the > monoblock amps/pre-amp are a NZ designed and manufactured valve set up with > MOS-FET output stages in the monoblocks that drive very large electrostatic > speakers from the US, which are capable of producing high sound levels > without distress and massive amounts of genuine bass. From: Steven Feldman Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Other Artists On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:52:56 +0100 Heiko Heerssen writes: >'X' is great, but MIRAGE is even more powerful. One of the >best albums ever made. >Period. :-) Is that something like saying, 'Cool at Heart' is one of the best TD songs ever made, period'? ;) > Heiko -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ TD Anagrams: Regret Mann idea | I am a nerd regent | Arid German Teen | ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Marko Marin Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] _Day of the Dead_ soundtrack I think it's a shame that Goblin didn't do the score as they did so good job in the previous Dead-film, Dawn Of The Dead. Altough I don't think that the scores from horror movies are the most entertaining thing in the world as they are mostly very depressive. Only thing that I can remeber from the Day-score is the synths, altough I'm not saying it's a bad score. I just can't remeber. And as always, it's a good sign when the album gets mostly a really bad rating in several reviews on the web. As for the movie Day Of The Dead, I was thrilled because the opening scene is one of the best and most horrifying of all time. It shows perfectly how the world has been overthrown by living dead. But after that, the story drags a bit and the resolution seems to be repeating the end of previous films. Regards, Marko Marin --- 'Glynn Naughton ' wrote: > All, > > You might be interested to know that the synth score > for > the film _Day of the Dead_ is finally available on > CD. A loathsome, moronic film that I'm ashamed to > admit > having seen (as part of the 'video nasty' period > that > most Brits who were teenagers round about 1984 went > through), _DotD_ nevertheless produced, IMO, one of > the best synth scores ever; far better than TD's > scores. > I hoped for years that it would appear on CD and it > finally has! > > The opening titles music, in particular (which on > this > CD is about the first 7 minutes of 'The Dead Suite') > is > outstanding. As with all synth scores, some bits > have > dated and developed a healthy cheezy topping, but it > stands > up far better than most of these 80s artifacts. > > You can get it from www.numenoreanmusic.com > > Glynn ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: Marko Marin Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] _Day of the Dead_ soundtrack --- Wade Gordon wrote: > Dear Glynn, > > 'The Day of the Dead' (ost) has been out on c.d. > before. I guess that this is a reissue and might it > possible contain unreleased tracks? The website you > have given previously does not list the tracks. I > do > have the c.d. (which came out in the 80's) and agree > that it has some pretty nifty sounds. Check www.cinemusic.net. There's a review with the track listing if I remember correctly (haven't visited there for a while) and there were some new tracks. Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Other Artists > >Steve Dinsdale * 'DINSDALE!' Sorry for the OT (...I just get this Monty Python flashback whenever I read Steve´s name. No offense intended, Steve.) ;-) Re. other artists: what about John Carpenter´s film scores? They were pretty simplistic but he did have his distinct own style, methinks. Regarding music with a similar feel as early TD but employing different instrumentation: what do you think about Godspeed You! Black Emperor? Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Pergamon' Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 11:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Other Artists ----- Original Message ----- From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak' >Steve Dinsdale * 'DINSDALE!' Sorry for the OT (...I just get this Monty Python flashback whenever I read Steve´s name. No offense intended, Steve.) ;-) LOL......................... Jan From: John McIntyre Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 1:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: yo-yo-flamingos John Vertical wrote: > >PLEASE tell me what you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of > >flamingos... > > Plenty of bent knees? > I'd be interested to know the 'correct' answer, too... The question is posed as a lead-in to a segment in _Fantasia 2000_. In the segment, you have a rigid conformist social structure amongst the flamingos where everyone behaves the same, except for the lone loony with the yo-yo. At first, his antics with the yo-yo are met with disapproval, but eventually he wins the others over. It's a simple parable about the value of non-conformity, which is ironic coming from Disney Corporation. Anyway, the simple answer is 'anarchy.' (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38329 Re: OT: yo-yo-flamingos billythefish01 billythefish01 Fri 1/17/2003 3 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 3:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Other Artists Steven Feldman wrote: > Is that something like saying, 'Cool at Heart' is one >of the best TD songs ever made, period'?  ;) Yikes. 'Cool at Heart' started playing on my 3,700-song shuffling playlist literally just as I opened that message. Thanks for freaking me out. ;) --Daniel NP: um... Cool at Heart [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Liondream@a... Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 4:28 pm Subject: Re: seq hi five Ahhsome!!!! Looks like Mac only though. Is it? I suspect that the Moog960 sequencer won't be so very difficult to virtually track down for too much longer. But this looks much cooler. << Subject: new Berlin School friendly sequencer check out the new sequencer Numerology at http://five12.com i've been using it for awhile, and it lets you do alot of fiddly Franke-style tricks very easily without tracking down those rare PPG and Moog 960 sequencers.>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38336 Re: seq hi five Marcel Engels mars103nl Fri 1/17/2003 2 KB 38339 Re: seq hi five OT technical-related dreamsector dreamsector Sat 1/18/2003 4 KB 38341 Re: OT Moog 960 module here... dreamsector dreamsector Sat 1/18/2003 2 KB 38342 Re: OT Moog 960 module here... Marcel Engels mars103nl Sat 1/18/2003 3 KB From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 5:23 pm Subject: Re: OT: yo-yo-flamingos Most grateful to you! I didn't know flamingos had thumbs, but then again, disney's idea of nature always was a bit doubtful! --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, John McIntyre wrote: > John Vertical wrote: > > > >PLEASE tell me what you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of > > >flamingos... > > > > Plenty of bent knees? > > I'd be interested to know the 'correct' answer, too... > > The question is posed as a lead-in to a segment in _Fantasia 2000_. In the > segment, you have a rigid conformist social structure amongst the flamingos > where everyone behaves the same, except for the lone loony with the yo-yo. > At first, his antics with the yo-yo are met with disapproval, but eventually > he wins the others over. It's a simple parable about the value of > non-conformity, which is ironic coming from Disney Corporation. Anyway, the > simple answer is 'anarchy.' (-8 > > John McIntyre > Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept > Michigan State University > mcintyre@p... From: 'Philippe Gibone' Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:16 am Subject: RE:shn files (was [tadream] Digest Number 1648) Great :thanks Philippe >From: 'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR' > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: ''tadream@yahoogroups.com'' >Subject: RE:shn files (was [tadream] Digest Number 1648) >Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:58:59 -0000 > >etree also had a plugin for winamp2 that allows you to play shn files >directly (from the cdr if needed). > >daniel > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! http://search.msn.fr/worldwide.asp From: 'strangeronahill ' Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:14 am Subject: Urgent message to Ray Hallett and Vincent Can you contact me off group please?. I have had to change my e-mail address. Thanks Derek From: 'strangeronahill ' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 8:10 pm Subject: Q Review of Zeit and Atem Teutonic space-rock pioneers' third and fourth albums. Trippy and trance-like, Tangerine Dream, the brainchild of Edgar Froese, were about as far out as you could go in the early-'70s without disappearing into the ether. Much may have happened since, but the tactile soundscaping of Zeit (a double album in its original vinyl format, released in 1972) and Atem (from 1973) with its brutal title track, remain key to the krautrock cannon. The original chill- out meisters perhaps? Zeit 4 stars Atem 3 stars From: 'David Wakefield' Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 7:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] feb 15th Yes we will recognise each by our TD t-shirts Not! On a serious note......good idea............anyone from the area care to recommend one? -------Original Message------- From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 16, 2003 19:46:48 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] feb 15th hi all does anyone know any good pubs near the astoria where we can all meet up? Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk www.tangerine-dream.co.uk MSN Messenger dmckee20@h... . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 5:46 pm Subject: Re: feb 15th The Astoria is right on the door step of Covent Garden and Soho, so the choices are huge! I know a few places but am not sure what everyone's idea of a good place to meet would be... food? character? good beer (for those with strong bladders) and if so, what kind? There are also a few late night place for afterwards. I also suggest a visit to Turnkey which is on the same road as the Astoria. In the Basement is a synth museum which contains a modular moog, various other modulars and a host of other analogue beauties. Could be expensive! TTFN BTF --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > > > hi all > > after a liitle searching on the net i have found a pub which may do > > for us. > > it is called the MOON UNDER WATER, here is a link to it > > http://www.beerguide.co.uk/towns/westminster.htm > > > > it is not that far from the astoria theatre > > Well it has my vote! (unless someone else comes up with a better suggestion) > 'The beer was great' and 'the food as always was good'...but are you sure > this is really a London pub? > ;-)))) > > Heiko From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 6:19 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The Coachman's tales >Dunno. Wasn't there something similar in Mars Polaris, too? > > > Turn of the Tides and in it is printed an excerpt from 'The Coachman's > > tales', by Edgar Froese. > > So, what is 'The Coachman's tales' - a book? The Mars Polaris inner sleeve has an excerpt from 'The Seven Platonic Tales by P.L. and E.F.' The story sounds like it would have been compressed big time... E.F. presumably is Edgar, but who's P.L? There's a Peter Liendl in the music credits as the Berlin Studio Assistant, is it him? Or the G.B. and C.R. mentioned in the story? They are supposed to be brothers — so the B and R probably do not stand for family names? And could the MP track titles link to this story in some way, like the ToTT track titles did? Mars Mission Counter, Tharsis Maneuver, etc? talk about a mystery... I think I'll move this to the tadream list, it could gather a greater interest... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 7:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: seq hi five > From: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...] > > Ahhsome!!!! Looks like Mac only though. Is it? > > I suspect that the Moog960 sequencer won't be so very > difficult to virtually track down for too much longer. > > But this looks much cooler. What exactly do you mean by the Moog960 sequencer won't be so very difficult to track down for too much longer? Have you ever try to find one...and if you did, have you looked at the price? :-) If anyone here has got a spare one I will gladly take/buy it from you. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38339 Re: seq hi five OT technical-related dreamsector dreamsector Sat 1/18/2003 4 KB 38341 Re: OT Moog 960 module here... dreamsector dreamsector Sat 1/18/2003 2 KB 38342 Re: OT Moog 960 module here... Marcel Engels mars103nl Sat 1/18/2003 3 KB From: Chris Richards Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:10 pm Subject: Re: flamingos and yo-yos Exactly! I started using the James Earl Jones thing as my sig because I thought it was a funny line, but it's really surprised me how many people have asked me for the answer. But as Jan points out, you kinda have to see the movie for the answer. < To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:59 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Digest Number 1647 > PLEASE tell me what you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of > flamingos...>> ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38360 Re: flamingos and yo-yos Chris Richards Kohntarkosz Sun 1/19/2003 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:06 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream Chat Yes, there still is a Tangerine Dream Chat!! It is not affiliated directly with the tadream mailing list. It's a very relaxed atmosphere and at this moment, we have visitors from the US and Europe. If you're on a PC, you can download a pre-configured copy of the chat program here: http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe Just open/download it and it will extract to 'tadreamChat' on your hard drive. Open that and double-click on the colorful 'mIRC' icon and in a few moments you'll be brought into the chatroom. Hope you get a chance to stop by. Friday and Saturday evenings (5pm-midnight Central time (-5:00GMT)) are usually the busiest. -Morgan From: 'dreamsector ' Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 12:23 am Subject: Re: seq hi five OT technical-related Ahh... I was just talking about the System 55 emulation, including 960 sequencer module that I mentioned on another list. Sounds like you're building or have a Moog Modular system, in which case you are a very lucky man!!!! :-) If you want a 960 sequencer... or the whole enchilada, email polyfusion@a..., they've got one for sale (or did as of November). A system C with all the bells and whistles. They also have other cool stuff, like a Serge (with sequencer), Buchla(!), EMS, and an ARP sequencer module, etc., etc. The site is: www.analogsynth.com In terms of Moog... there's a System 15 up on Ebay... though that doesn't have the sequencer module. That's the smallest of the three common configs... the one that was pictured on the cover of the first Switched On Bach lp I think. If I only had the money... that System C would be mine!!!!!!!! But in terms of hardware sequencers, IMO, the up-and-coming Zeit is definitely the hands-down HOLY GRAIL!!!!!!! W P.S. Here's where this is kind of on topic (kind of)... anyone interested in what the heck we're talking about... if you have the Spirit DVD, check out the interview with Hans Zimmer. The wall of knobs and black metal plates behind him in one of the shots is the Moog modular, which BTW, he got from Chris Franke!!! --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Marcel Engels' wrote: > > From: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...] > > > > Ahhsome!!!! Looks like Mac only though. Is it? > > > > I suspect that the Moog960 sequencer won't be so very > > difficult to virtually track down for too much longer. > > > > But this looks much cooler. > > What exactly do you mean by the Moog960 sequencer won't > be so very difficult to track down for too much longer? > Have you ever try to find one...and if you did, have you > looked at the price? :-) > If anyone here has got a spare one I will gladly take/buy > it from you. > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38341 Re: OT Moog 960 module here... dreamsector dreamsector Sat 1/18/2003 2 KB 38342 Re: OT Moog 960 module here... Marcel Engels mars103nl Sat 1/18/2003 3 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 1:07 am Subject: OT Instrument on Gladiator Soundtrack???? Hi Does anyone know what the instrument is called which kicks in at 2.39, track 9 on the Gladiator Soundtrack. It is the high clarinet-like sound........maybe it is a clarinet????? Jan From: 'dreamsector ' Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 5:26 am Subject: Re: OT Moog 960 module here... Place in Buffalo, N.Y. recreating brand new 'Moog' modules based on original design specs. Maybe good maybe not, I don't know, but looks interesting... Moog 960 module/eight spaces wide = $2790.00 U.S. About four weeks to deliver. http://www.moogce.com/prod04.htm Cool, eh? God, I wish I hadn't found this... :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38342 Re: OT Moog 960 module here... Marcel Engels mars103nl Sat 1/18/2003 3 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 7:10 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: OT Moog 960 module here... It's really a ridiculous price imo. Just go to http://www.synthesizers.com and see some interesting stuff at a xth of the Moog prices. Wouldn't it be something interesting for TD? Although I think Edgar will think of it as a step back (or even more steps) of how TD is composing now. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... > -----Original Message----- > From: dreamsector [mailto:Liondream@a...] > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 6:26 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: OT Moog 960 module here... > > > Place in Buffalo, N.Y. recreating brand new 'Moog' modules based on > original design specs. Maybe good maybe not, I don't know, but looks > interesting... > > Moog 960 module/eight spaces wide = $2790.00 U.S. About four weeks to > deliver. > http://www.moogce.com/prod04.htm Cool, eh? God, I wish I hadn't found this... :-) ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 5:14 pm Subject: Tubular 30th Anniv Apparently Mike Oldfield is re-recording it from scratch for the 30th Anniversary. The new version will feature John Cleese in the 'speaking' parts. MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Dryden [mailto:paulus.d@f...] > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:44 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: recording limitations > > > This isn't the 30th aniversary version is it? > Its the 20th, back in the 90's! I have it too... > Some parts were re-recorded, the accostic guitar on the end of > Part 1/side1 > , and much remixing. > The vinyl version,the 1973, is better. > Paulus.d > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38395 Re: Tubular 30th Anniv Marko Marin rubyconist Tue 1/21/2003 2 KB 38426 Re: Tubular 30th Anniv Glynn Naughton From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 5:06 pm Subject: TD on the radio Hey, In my weekly radio programme about electronic music I did a TD special today. In case anyone wants to know, here is what was played: Tangerine Dream: Dominion Tangerine Dream: Logos Part 1 B Tangerine Dream: Stratosfear Tangerine Dream: Bois de Boulogne Tangerine Dream: Going west Tangerine Dream: Burning bar Tangerine Dream: Firetongues Tangerine Dream: Rolling down Cahuenga Tangerine Dream: Outland Tangerine Dream: Towards the evening star You can receive playlists by sending a blank email to electronicshadows-news-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Greetings, Glenn From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 5:43 pm Subject: Sanctuary Re-Releases Does anyone know which Pink/Blue Years albums have been re-released by Sanctuary Records? I found Electronic Meditation and Alpha Centauri at my local Tower Records, but they didn't know about any others. Have Zeit and Atem been released yet? - jim __________________________________________________ Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA moxica@a... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38347 Re: Sanctuary Re-Releases heineu heineu Sat 1/18/2003 2 KB From: 'Colin Jouxson ' Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 5:52 pm Subject: (off topic)The ideal UK summer all day Electronic Festival Line Up This would be a great line up for an all day electronic music festival this summer in the UK(Of course this is just a dream) Free System Projekt Air Sculpture Radio Massacre International Rainbow Serpent Node(come back) Ron Boots Keller&Schonwalder and of course last but not least Tangerine Dream.The mind boggles.i feel a dampness in my pants. From: 'heineu ' Date: Sat Jan 18, 2003 6:09 pm Subject: Re: Sanctuary Re-Releases Hello Jim, yes, Atem and zeit are released and also new released are: Green desert Cheers Heiko - Mr. Optical http://www.opticaldream.de --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Jim Moore' wrote: > Does anyone know which Pink/Blue Years albums have been re-released by > Sanctuary Records? I found Electronic Meditation and Alpha Centauri at > my local Tower Records, but they didn't know about any others. Have > Zeit and Atem been released yet? > > - jim > > __________________________________________________ > Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA > moxica@a... > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'esculap' Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 1:48 am Subject: Re:The Coachman's tales >So, what is 'The Coachman's tales' - a book? This is what I've found at http://www.germanrock.de/t/tangerine_dream/ : 'Im Booklet der CD ist ein Auszug aus der Kurzgeschichte The Coachman's tales abgedruckt. Edgar, der auch einige Jahre Philosophie studierte, schrieb diese Story. Nicht das Studium, sondern die Tatsache, dass er sich immer wieder Fragen stellte, auf die es keine Antworten gibt, und alles in Frage gestellt hat, führt dazu, alles mit einer einfachen philosophischen Sicht zu sehen. Er ist dabei auch gern ironisch und mag vor allem auch die Schriftsteller, die etwas 'interessantes in die Welt pusten, kurz mit dem Auge zwinkern, sich umdrehen und sagen: Nichts für Ungut!'. Edgar betont jedoch, dass er kein Interesse daran hat, ein Buch zu veröffentlichen! ' A sculptor, composer, actor and also a writer. A beast with many faces. Dream on, Andy From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 2:12 am Subject: Mellotron RARE VINTAGE MELLOTRON MK-400 KEYBOARD Just in case someone feels a real need to buy this for me. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2501272489&category=29552 or just in case you want to add this, here is your chance. of course I would perfer you get this for me. dale From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 2:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so I listen to a great deal of classical music as well as EM and I became an electrostatic speaker convert decades ago with the QUAD 'fire screens'. Different people will have different opinions about ESLs, of course, but for me they produce appreciably lower levels of coloration than moving coil speakers and that enables the best recordings to exhibit a three dimensional sense of space, depth with truly excellent imaging that I personally find lacking in other types of speaker and which I place a high degree of high importance on. The Magnaplaners do come close, however. My Acoustats are capable of very high levels of sonic output without distress -- the panels are said to be incapable of being overdriven, although I haven't put that to the test! Because of their size (8 ft high and three feet wide) they sound as good standing up as sitting and, as I've mentioned, the low frequency performance is decidedly impressive. The MOS-FET output stage in each of my amps permits the use of valves earlier on without the need for an expensive output transformer. Furthermore, the high power output (250 watts/channel) would also place very high demands on such a stage if it was tubed. The local designer spend months playing around and experimenting with the coupling and in my opinion the results have been worth the time spent. He runs a ONE KILOWATT amp of similar design at home!!! Sorry, but I don't follow your argument about tubes and CD. If well designed, such preamps can provide levels of distortion and noise just as low as solid state ones can. There CAN be noise problems with low output moving coil cartridges, but the same problem can apply to solid state units too. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Matthew Stringer' To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: if you sacd so > I never thought that electrostatic speakers were very good in the old bass > department, I've heard a few hybrid speakers that try to give the best of > both worlds but I've always prefered normal magnetic speakers. > > Also why would you have a valve amp with a Metal Oxide Semiconductor > field-effect transistor output? > > It's usually one or the other. > > I've seen valve preamps but you wouldn't use that on a CD, usually a guitar! > > > Matthew > > > > > > I have a number of CD players including a Marantz CD-7 and the > > monoblock amps/pre-amp are a NZ designed and manufactured valve set up > with > > MOS-FET output stages in the monoblocks that drive very large > electrostatic > > speakers from the US, which are capable of producing high sound levels > > without distress and massive amounts of genuine bass. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: PENFOLD Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 1:43 am Subject: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. Put some Space Age Bachelor Pad music on the old Hi-Fi And mix a martini make a toast to the memory of the late Juan Garcia Esquivel who would have been 85 on Monday 01/20/03 PENFOLD mailto:penfold@a... http://www.anet.net/~penfold/index.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 'We are a people so primitive, we named our planet DIRT!' Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38354 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. John Vertical omegatransfinito Sun 1/19/2003 2 KB 38355 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/19/2003 3 KB 38356 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. Greg expressionistix Sun 1/19/2003 2 KB 38357 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. Gary Jenkins hyperboreauk Sun 1/19/2003 2 KB 38359 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/19/2003 3 KB 38397 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. bolosun bolosun Tue 1/21/2003 3 KB 38358 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/19/2003 3 KB 38409 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. Marion Horrod MarionHorrod Wed 1/22/2003 2 KB 38413 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 1/22/2003 3 KB From: 'dreamsector ' Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 7:12 am Subject: OT: synthesizers.com Sweeeeeet! Thanks, for pointing me in their direction, Marcel! I like the midi interconnectivity too. :-) w From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 8:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: HBD, J.G.E!. >Put some Space Age Bachelor Pad music on the old Hi-Fi > >And mix a martini > >make a toast to the memory of the late Juan Garcia Esquivel who would have >been 85 on Monday 01/20/03 Interestingly enough, I was born on 01/20/85 (which makes me 18 tomorrow.. :D) And I'm sure there are other people on this list who were born on the same date, too (since we have about 600 members) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38355 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/19/2003 3 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 8:52 am Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: HBD, J.G.E!. I'm not far behind.. or maybe really ahead? January 28th, 1981... makes me 22 right after you hit 18. :-) Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: John Vertical Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: HBD, J.G.E!. Interestingly enough, I was born on 01/20/85 (which makes me 18 tomorrow.. :D) And I'm sure there are other people on this list who were born on the same date, too (since we have about 600 members) John Vertical From: 'Greg' Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 9:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: HBD, J.G.E!. Wow a 22 year old female TD fan on our list :) That's great! Where are you from? I am 24 and I live in Lake Havasu City, Arizona. Greg NP: Jazzanova > I'm not far behind.. or maybe really ahead? January 28th, 1981... makes me > 22 right after you hit 18. :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38357 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. Gary Jenkins hyperboreauk Sun 1/19/2003 2 KB 38359 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/19/2003 3 KB 38397 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. bolosun bolosun Tue 1/21/2003 3 KB 38358 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/19/2003 3 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins ' Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 9:52 am Subject: Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Greg' wrote: > Wow a 22 year old female TD fan on our list :) That's great! Where are you > from? > I am 24 and I live in Lake Havasu City, Arizona. > > >You youngster's are making me feel very old, I turned the dreaded 40 last tuesday lol Gary > > > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38359 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/19/2003 3 KB 38397 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. bolosun bolosun Tue 1/21/2003 3 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:00 am Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: HBD, J.G.E!. Lancaster, California.. the city that is big in numbers, but small at heart, and everything's closed by 10pm! We did have the only 24 hour WalMart ever for years, but then it went to normal hours.. there goes our claim to fame! lol Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Greg Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: HBD, J.G.E!. Wow a 22 year old female TD fan on our list :) That's great! Where are you from? I am 24 and I live in Lake Havasu City, Arizona. Greg NP: Jazzanova From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:02 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. 40? Dreaded? Need you take example from my Mom? She's 42 (will be in May) and she's just loving life and looking beautiful as ever! Speaking of beautiful, I need to go bundle up and check on our goats... have a few due to give birth any time now..lol. Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Gary Jenkins Subject: [tadream] Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. You youngster's are making me feel very old, I turned the dreaded 40 last tuesday lol Gary Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38397 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. bolosun bolosun Tue 1/21/2003 3 KB From: Chris Richards Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:28 am Subject: Re: flamingos and yo-yos <> Actually, he's met with something more like out and out hostility. The other flamingos attempt to drown him, and take his yo-yo away and wrap it around the high branch of a tree. But he comes back with another one, which he uses to tie them up, while doing various parlor tricks with several other yo-yos. <> I don't think it's all that ironic. If you consider the film in question, which is a follow up to one of the most innovative animated films ever, I think it fits right in with the spirit of things there. Yeah, Disney's pulled some low stunts (ever watch any of those gawdawful movies they show on ABC on Sunday nights now?) but they still come up with some great things. The Toy Story movies were great, and they own the network that aired the first sitcom to have a gay person as it's lead character. Anyway, the simple answer is 'anarchy.' (-8 ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 11:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:The Coachman's tales Thanks for this info, but I dont understand German. Could anyone sum up what this means? Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: 'esculap' > >So, what is 'The Coachman's tales' - a book? > > This is what I've found at http://www.germanrock.de/t/tangerine_dream/ : > > 'Im Booklet der CD ist ein Auszug aus der Kurzgeschichte The Coachman's > tales abgedruckt. Edgar, der auch einige Jahre Philosophie studierte, > schrieb diese Story. Nicht das Studium, sondern die Tatsache, dass er sich > immer wieder Fragen stellte, auf die es keine Antworten gibt, und alles in > Frage gestellt hat, führt dazu, alles mit einer einfachen philosophischen > Sicht zu sehen. Er ist dabei auch gern ironisch und mag vor allem auch die > Schriftsteller, die etwas 'interessantes in die Welt pusten, kurz mit dem > Auge zwinkern, sich umdrehen und sagen: Nichts für Ungut!'. Edgar betont > jedoch, dass er kein Interesse daran hat, ein Buch zu veröffentlichen! ' > > A sculptor, composer, actor and also a writer. A beast with many faces. > > Dream on, > Andy From: ampmusic Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1651 > Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:14:48 -0500 > From: 'Michael A Jean' > Subject: Tubular 30th Anniv > > Apparently Mike Oldfield is re-recording it from scratch for the 30th > Anniversary. The new version will feature John Cleese in the 'speaking' > parts. > > MJ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paul Dryden [mailto:paulus.d@f...] > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:44 PM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: recording limitations > > > > > > This isn't the 30th aniversary version is it? > > Its the 20th, back in the 90's! I have it too... > > Some parts were re-recorded, the accostic guitar on the end of > > Part 1/side1 > > , and much remixing. > > The vinyl version,the 1973, is better. > > Paulus.d Everything you could possibly want to know about Mike Oldfield is in an exclusive interview on the EMIX site, along with many previously unseen pictures, and (on other pages) reviews of many TD, Klaus Schulze and other CD releases; http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/emixconcerts.html http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/emixcds.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38363 Re: Digest Number 1651 ampmusic ampmusic2001 Sun 1/19/2003 3 KB From: ampmusic Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 12:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1651 > Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 17:52:52 -0000 > From: 'Colin Jouxson ' > Subject: (off topic)The ideal UK summer all day Electronic Festival Line Up > > This would be a great line up for an all day electronic music > festival this summer in the UK(Of course this is just a dream) > Free System Projekt > Air Sculpture > Radio Massacre International > Rainbow Serpent > Node(come back) > Ron Boots > Keller&Schonwalder > and of course last but not least Tangerine Dream.The mind boggles.i > feel a dampness in my pants. > ...or you could start in February to have a big electronic music show on the last Saturday of every month at a fantastic venue right in the middle of London, and put on errrrrr.......White Noise (Virgin Records label mates of TD in the 1970's), Harald Grosskopf & Steve Baltes (from Ash Ra Tempel), Alquimia (recent CD with H-J Roedelius), Modulus on analog electronics + gongs (dark ambient music like The Orb or FSOL meets Star Sounds Orchestra), then have a two hour performance of Terry Riley's 'A Rainbow in Curved Air', and errrrr...some other stuff :-) http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampconcerts.html From: Chris Richards Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 8:23 pm Subject: Re: Lancaster, California <> Isn't Lancaster, CA where Frank Zappa spent his teenage years? I know he was born in Baltimore, but somewhere in his childhood, his family moved to California, and for some reason, I'm thinking Lancaster was where they moved. Isn't there a town near there called Sun Village (which was the inspiration for the song Village Of The Sun, on Roxy And Elsewhere)? ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38365 Re: Lancaster, California Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/19/2003 3 KB 38381 Re: Lancaster, California tony.vandergaag@p... symfoon Mon 1/20/2003 4 KB 38366 Re: Lancaster, California Admin dale1kay Sun 1/19/2003 4 KB 38367 Re: Lancaster, California Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/19/2003 3 KB 38368 Re: Lancaster, California Admin dale1kay Sun 1/19/2003 5 KB 38370 Re: Lancaster, California Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/19/2003 4 KB 38369 Re: Lancaster, California Admin dale1kay Sun 1/19/2003 3 KB 38371 Re: Lancaster, California Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/19/2003 2 KB 38372 Re: Lancaster, California Admin dale1kay Sun 1/19/2003 3 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:24 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California Sun Village? I've enver heard of it before, so I don't think it's within 100 miles of here. We've got (making a circle around Lancaster) Gorman, Tehachipi, Rosamond, Mojave, Antelope Acres, Lancaster, Palmdale, Littlerock, Lake Los Angeles, Acton, Agua Dulce, Canyon Country, Green Valley, Valencia.... a few others, but that's the surrounding stuff. There is a Sun Valley down in LA, near Burbank, I lived there from when I was born, until I was 6, but that's an hour and a half away. Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Chris Richards Subject: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California Isn't Lancaster, CA where Frank Zappa spent his teenage years? I know he was born in Baltimore, but somewhere in his childhood, his family moved to California, and for some reason, I'm thinking Lancaster was where they moved. Isn't there a town near there called Sun Village (which was the inspiration for the song Village Of The Sun, on Roxy And Elsewhere)? ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38381 Re: Lancaster, California tony.vandergaag@p... symfoon Mon 1/20/2003 4 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California Sun Village is down 90th and Palmdale Blvd. dale Want to know anything about Lancaster and Palmdale or Antelope Valley? Just ask. My wife is a local Historian, she has lived in AV since 1962. She and I both know nearly every musician in the valley. She even went high school with most of them. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Debra Wilson' To: Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 2:24 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California > Sun Village? I've enver heard of it before, so I don't think it's within 100 > miles of here. We've got (making a circle around Lancaster) Gorman, > Tehachipi, Rosamond, Mojave, Antelope Acres, Lancaster, Palmdale, > Littlerock, Lake Los Angeles, Acton, Agua Dulce, Canyon Country, Green > Valley, Valencia.... a few others, but that's the surrounding stuff. > There is a Sun Valley down in LA, near Burbank, I lived there from when I > was born, until I was 6, but that's an hour and a half away. > > > Debra Wilson > Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html > AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs > http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Richards > Subject: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California > > > Isn't Lancaster, CA where Frank Zappa spent his > teenage years? I know he was born in Baltimore, > but somewhere in his childhood, his family moved > to California, and for some reason, I'm thinking > Lancaster was where they moved. Isn't there a > town near there called Sun Village (which was the > inspiration for the song Village Of The Sun, on > Roxy And Elsewhere)? > > ===== > May you never thirst! > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > > 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl > Jones > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38367 Re: Lancaster, California Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/19/2003 3 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California That's a place? I figured it was just a really ghetto store in Littlerock! lol I drive by it every Thursday night on my way to agility class with my dog. Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...] Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 2:30 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California Sun Village is down 90th and Palmdale Blvd. dale Want to know anything about Lancaster and Palmdale or Antelope Valley? Just ask. My wife is a local Historian, she has lived in AV since 1962. She and I both know nearly every musician in the valley. She even went high school with most of them. From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California see below ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Chris Richards' To: Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:23 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California > < > numbers, but small at heart, and everything's > closed by 10pm! We did have the only 24 hour > WalMart ever for years, but then it went to > normal hours.. there goes our claim to fame!>> Most local night life is ruled by the Honda Club these days. Most parties in the Valley are private. That is where the money and food is to be had at. > > Isn't Lancaster, CA where Frank Zappa spent his > teenage years? I know he was born in Baltimore, > but somewhere in his childhood, his family moved > to California, and for some reason, I'm thinking > Lancaster was where they moved. Isn't there a > town near there called Sun Village (which was the > inspiration for the song Village Of The Sun, on > Roxy And Elsewhere)? Sun Village. I don't know the details why, but it was mostly a black neighborhood. It is out in the desert. When I poke my nose in this area, I get the idea of racial items that tainted the area. It is still know this way to this day. As a side note, I live about 1 block away from a area called Oky Flats (from residences who migrated here from Oklahoma). The Valley is full of this. There is even a area where socialists made a colony at the turn of the century. Llano is the name, just past Little Rock. Oh what tails the sands out here tell. Also found near and in Sun Village are many CW bars. Since they have a tendency to play one or two of the two types of music that makes me ill, I don't hang long in that area. Yes he (Zappa) did some time in Antelope Valley. Some of his partners in crime are still here. Tie this into Captain Beefheart (which a reunion is coming up in a few months). Speaking of time, so did John Wayne do some time here. Julie Garland etc... Heck it even has Mob ties (Palmdale past and present). I also know where the Tree of Woe can be found here. Shall I mention 'Weird Scenes Inside the Gold Mine' (reference to Jim Morison). Ant Valley as I like to call it encompasses a wide area. There was a time when bootleggers and houses of ill repute had underground tunnels under Palmdale Blvd. > > ===== > May you never thirst! > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > > 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38370 Re: Lancaster, California Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/19/2003 4 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California Till you spend some time in Watts and or Compton, you can't compare Ghetto to that. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Debra Wilson' To: Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 2:33 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California > That's a place? I figured it was just a really ghetto store in Littlerock! > lol I drive by it every Thursday night on my way to agility class with my > dog. > > Debra Wilson > Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html > AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs > http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...] > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 2:30 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California > > > Sun Village is down 90th and Palmdale Blvd. > > dale > > Want to know anything about Lancaster and Palmdale or Antelope Valley? Just > ask. My wife is a local Historian, she has lived in AV since 1962. > > She and I both know nearly every musician in the valley. She even went high > school with most of them. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38371 Re: Lancaster, California Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/19/2003 2 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:54 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California 'Most local night life is ruled by the Honda Club these days. Most parties in the Valley are private. That is where the money and food is to be had at.' Hmm.. I hate Hondas.. can't stand the look or the sound of them... drive me up a wall...lol. And parties.. hmm.. I'll pas son those.. can I claim I have people allergies? Or at least no desire to socialize with most people in this area? 'Sun Village. I don't know the details why, but it was mostly a black neighborhood. It is out in the desert. When I poke my nose in this area, I get the idea of racial items that tainted the area. It is still know this way to this day. As a side note, I live about 1 block away from a area called Oky Flats (from residences who migrated here from Oklahoma). The Valley is full of this. There is even a area where socialists made a colony at the turn of the century. Llano is the name, just past Little Rock. Oh what tails the sands out here tell.' Yup, desert is right.. but then this whole area is really a desert. *shrugs* Good, because I think Im melt if I'm exposed to rain water! Almost everyone I have met who lives in that area does nothing except smoke pot all day... so it just adds to my desire to live elsewhere. Someday... 'Also found near and in Sun Village are many CW bars. Since they have a tendency to play one or two of the two types of music that makes me ill, I don't hang long in that area.' Near Sun Village? That's all we have in this valley! Schooners, Tipsy Bull, 10 West, and whatever other places are still open.. the only one you'll catch me in is The Back Door, only because at least them it's nearly guarenteed I won't have any drunk guys hiting on me. (for those who don't know, that's our local gay bar) I may be the only person I know who wants to go out and not be hit on all night! 'Yes he (Zappa) did some time in Antelope Valley. Some of his partners in crime are still here. Tie this into Captain Beefheart (which a reunion is coming up in a few months). Speaking of time, so did John Wayne do some time here. Julie Garland etc...' I think this area has been popular with different preformers because it's big enough to make money, but small enough to be cheap. JAG is filmed out here regularly, and the movie Seven has quite a bit of footage filmed witin 2 miles of my house. Mariah Carey's vid a few years ago was at LACR. From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California True, but I probably never will- I hate being even near a city, and this place is hell to me. Too many drugs and child abuse.. :-( It's awful here. Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Admin Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California Till you spend some time in Watts and or Compton, you can't compare Ghetto to that. dale From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 11:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California I would not worry too much about me catching up with you there. >>Near Sun Village? That's all we have in this valley! Schooners, Tipsy Bull, 10 West, and whatever other places are still open.. the only one you'll catch me in is The Back Door, only because at least them it's nearly guarenteed I won't have any drunk guys hiting on me. (for those who don't know, that's our local gay bar) I may be the only person I know who wants to go out and not be hit on all night! >>>Smoking Pot all day huh? Sounds like you are in the wrong circle. Most of the ones I know that spend time like this are not into the things I am. Even harder to get them to show up to gigs. I guess then you should know about the curse then too? Dale Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38374 Re: Lancaster, California Debra Wilson goatsong99 Mon 1/20/2003 3 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 11:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California see previous post also every where is like this. part of current society these days. has something to do with lack of parenting. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Debra Wilson' To: Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 2:55 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California > True, but I probably never will- I hate being even near a city, and this > place is hell to me. Too many drugs and child abuse.. :-( It's awful here. > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38375 Re: Lancaster, California Debra Wilson goatsong99 Mon 1/20/2003 2 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 12:59 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California Hmm.. everywhere I go- school, when I was working (at any place I worked) and socially- every smoked pot. I 'meet' people online, and they all smoke pot. The curse- you mean the more then one year in the Valley and you never leave it curse? The one that says I am doomed, since I've ben here since 1987? Though I do hope to run away to Belgium someday.. hehe Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Admin Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California I would not worry too much about me catching up with you there. >>>Smoking Pot all day huh? Sounds like you are in the wrong circle. Most of the ones I know that spend time like this are not into the things I am. Even harder to get them to show up to gigs. I guess then you should know about the curse then too? Dale From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 12:59 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California That's true.. good reason not to have kids I think. Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...] Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 3:06 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California see previous post also every where is like this. part of current society these days. has something to do with lack of parenting. Dale From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 1:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California yes that curse ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Debra Wilson' To: Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California > Hmm.. everywhere I go- school, when I was working (at any place I worked) > and socially- every smoked pot. I 'meet' people online, and they all smoke > pot. > The curse- you mean the more then one year in the Valley and you never leave > it curse? The one that says I am doomed, since I've ben here since 1987? > Though I do hope to run away to Belgium someday.. hehe > > Debra Wilson > Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html > AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs > http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Admin > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California > > > I would not worry too much about me catching up with you there. > > >>>Smoking Pot all day huh? > Sounds like you are in the wrong circle. > Most of the ones I know that spend time like this are not into the things I > am. Even harder to get them to show up to gigs. > > I guess then you should know about the curse then too? > > Dale > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'esculap' Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 2:16 am Subject: Re:The Coachman's tales >Thanks for this info, but I dont understand German. Could anyone sum up what >this means? >Glenn Sorry, Glen and the most of this group. Below is what I understand of it. Forgive me mistakes, German and English are not native languages of mine ;-). 'There is an abstract from 'The Coachman's Tales' novel, printed on the CD booklet. Edgar, who studied Philosophy some years, has written that story. Not the study, but the cause, that he always and again asked 'unanswerable' questions and daubted in everything, makes him look at everything with just a philosophical eye/sight. He is also ironic and likes the writers, who 'blow something interesting into the world, wink shortly, turn on and say: Forgive me!', the most. But Edgar emphasizes, that he wasn't interested in releasing a book at all .' The last sentence makes me think, that Edgar hasn't printed that novel/book yet. Dream on, Andrzej/Andy/Andreas > This is what I've found at http://www.germanrock.de/t/tangerine_dream/ : > 'Im Booklet der CD ist ein Auszug aus der Kurzgeschichte The Coachman's > tales abgedruckt. Edgar, der auch einige Jahre Philosophie studierte, > schrieb diese Story. Nicht das Studium, sondern die Tatsache, dass er sich > immer wieder Fragen stellte, auf die es keine Antworten gibt, und alles in > Frage gestellt hat, führt dazu, alles mit einer einfachen philosophischen > Sicht zu sehen. Er ist dabei auch gern ironisch und mag vor allem auch die > Schriftsteller, die etwas 'interessantes in die Welt pusten, kurz mit dem > Auge zwinkern, sich umdrehen und sagen: Nichts für Ungut!'. Edgar betont > jedoch, dass er kein Interesse daran hat, ein Buch zu veröffentlichen! ' > Dream on, > Andy From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 2:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:The Coachman's tales Ahh the many workings in Edgar's mind. Such insight you have given. A veil has been lifted. ;-) Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'esculap' To: Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 6:16 PM Subject: [tadream] Re:The Coachman's tales > >Thanks for this info, but I dont understand German. Could anyone sum up > what > >this means? > >Glenn > > Sorry, Glen and the most of this group. > Below is what I understand of it. > Forgive me mistakes, German and English are not native languages of mine > ;-). > > 'There is an abstract from 'The Coachman's Tales' novel, printed on the CD > booklet. Edgar, who studied Philosophy some years, has written that story. > Not the study, but the cause, that he always and again asked 'unanswerable' > questions and daubted in everything, makes him look at everything with just > a philosophical eye/sight. He is also ironic and likes the writers, who > 'blow something interesting into the world, wink shortly, turn on and say: > Forgive me!', the most. But Edgar emphasizes, that he wasn't interested in > releasing a book at all .' > > The last sentence makes me think, that Edgar hasn't printed that novel/book > yet. > > Dream on, > Andrzej/Andy/Andreas > > > This is what I've found at http://www.germanrock.de/t/tangerine_dream/ : > > 'Im Booklet der CD ist ein Auszug aus der Kurzgeschichte The Coachman's > > tales abgedruckt. Edgar, der auch einige Jahre Philosophie studierte, > > schrieb diese Story. Nicht das Studium, sondern die Tatsache, dass er sich > > immer wieder Fragen stellte, auf die es keine Antworten gibt, und alles in > > Frage gestellt hat, führt dazu, alles mit einer einfachen philosophischen > > Sicht zu sehen. Er ist dabei auch gern ironisch und mag vor allem auch die > > Schriftsteller, die etwas 'interessantes in die Welt pusten, kurz mit dem > > Auge zwinkern, sich umdrehen und sagen: Nichts für Ungut!'. Edgar betont > > jedoch, dass er kein Interesse daran hat, ein Buch zu veröffentlichen! ' > > Dream on, > > Andy > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 3:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:The Coachman's tales Thanks for the translation! glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: 'esculap' > > Sorry, Glen and the most of this group. > Below is what I understand of it. > Forgive me mistakes, German and English are not native languages of mine > ;-). From: tony.vandergaag@p... Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 8:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California Hi Chris, correct !!, FZ lived there with his parents for quite a while, don't know if the air-force base where his father used to work is still there....... (no, not edwards air-force base ;-)) tony/rotterdam Citeren Chris Richards : > < > numbers, but small at heart, and everything's > closed by 10pm! We did have the only 24 hour > WalMart ever for years, but then it went to > normal hours.. there goes our claim to fame!>> > > Isn't Lancaster, CA where Frank Zappa spent his > teenage years? I know he was born in Baltimore, > but somewhere in his childhood, his family moved > to California, and for some reason, I'm thinking > Lancaster was where they moved. Isn't there a > town near there called Sun Village (which was the > inspiration for the song Village Of The Sun, on > Roxy And Elsewhere)? > > ===== > May you never thirst! > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > > 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl > Jones > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38384 Re: Lancaster, California Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Mon 1/20/2003 4 KB From: tony.vandergaag@p... Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 8:39 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California Palmdale, rings a bell though ;-)) so does Glendale and Sunvillage (or was it Sundale or both ???) :-D tony/rotterdam Citeren Debra Wilson : > Sun Village? I've enver heard of it before, so I don't think it's within 100 > miles of here. We've got (making a circle around Lancaster) Gorman, > Tehachipi, Rosamond, Mojave, Antelope Acres, Lancaster, Palmdale, > Littlerock, Lake Los Angeles, Acton, Agua Dulce, Canyon Country, Green > Valley, Valencia.... a few others, but that's the surrounding stuff. > There is a Sun Valley down in LA, near Burbank, I lived there from when I > was born, until I was 6, but that's an hour and a half away. > > > Debra Wilson > Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html > AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs > http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Richards > Subject: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California > > > Isn't Lancaster, CA where Frank Zappa spent his > teenage years? I know he was born in Baltimore, > but somewhere in his childhood, his family moved > to California, and for some reason, I'm thinking > Lancaster was where they moved. Isn't there a > town near there called Sun Village (which was the > inspiration for the song Village Of The Sun, on > Roxy And Elsewhere)? > > ===== > May you never thirst! > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > > 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl > Jones > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR' Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 10:50 am Subject: RE: Moog 960 Hi, For those who missed it, this *may* satisfy until you can afford the 'real' thing: http://www.kvr-vst.com/news.php?id=777 Regards, Daniel > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 13:11:24 EST > From: Liondream@a... > Subject: Re: synth.com, again OT > > Very cool, thanks - I will check out synthesizer.com to see > what they have!!! > > It IS very expensive for that 960 reissue, but I would still > be tempted to do > it if I could - I would get a whole system! Though I am only > saying this > hypothetically, e.g. if I had a sudden windfall of money or > something. In the > meantime, I am quite happy with my Nord. > > The guys in Buffalo are two former employees of Moog who > worked on and built > the genuine article back in its day. It sounds like they are > using vintage > parts in many cases and are building them as they did in the > past. They had > some pictures of some new systems they've put together and they look > beautiful (the synths). In addition, they also service and > restore vintage > parts. > > As I said, analogsynth.com has a full vintage System C > available. I sent them > an email because I didn't want to steer you in their > direction if they didn't > have what you want. They tell me the reason it's very > difficult to find a 960 > module alone is that most people only sell them as part of > the whole system. > Alone, a vintage 960 would go for about $2,000 or so, but > because people > aren't willing to break up a system it'll probably be more. > If you REALLY > want one and are willing to pay for it, they will be more > than happy to make > some inquiries for you. (polyfusion@a...) > > For my part, and to be honest, I will probably go with the > plugin and call it > a day! > > > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 07:12:45 -0000 > From: 'dreamsector ' > Subject: OT: synthesizers.com > > Sweeeeeet! > > Thanks, for pointing me in their direction, Marcel! > > I like the midi interconnectivity too. > > :-) > > w > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > __________ > ______________________________________________________________ > __________ > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38391 Re: Moog 960 Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Mon 1/20/2003 2 KB 38392 Re: Moog 960 dreamsector dreamsector Mon 1/20/2003 2 KB 38393 Re: Moog 960 Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Mon 1/20/2003 3 KB From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 2:51 pm Subject: Offer: Aussie 7' singles Ricochet Rubycon Hi all I have one spare each of the mega rare Aussie 7' singles Rubycon and Ricochet available for sale / trade (rare single / poster). I'd like to make these available to list members first before putting them up on ebay. Serious offer only. Please email off-list to coldwatercanyon@s... Thanks Jeffrey From: Jonathan Holt Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 3:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California Sun-Village - Village Of The Sun. A rare 'sentimental' song from Zappa. I have it on Roxy & Elsewhere and YCDTOSA Vol2. Must dig it out. Hard to belive this year will mark the 10th anniversary of the great man's passing... --- tony.vandergaag@p... wrote: > Hi Chris, > > correct !!, FZ lived there with his parents for > quite a while, > don't know if the air-force base where his father > used to > work is still there....... (no, not edwards > air-force base ;-)) > > tony/rotterdam > > Citeren Chris Richards : > > > < > > > numbers, but small at heart, and everything's > > closed by 10pm! We did have the only 24 hour > > WalMart ever for years, but then it went to > > normal hours.. there goes our claim to fame!>> > > > > Isn't Lancaster, CA where Frank Zappa spent his > > teenage years? I know he was born in Baltimore, > > but somewhere in his childhood, his family moved > > to California, and for some reason, I'm thinking > > Lancaster was where they moved. Isn't there a > > town near there called Sun Village (which was the > > inspiration for the song Village Of The Sun, on > > Roxy And Elsewhere)? > > > > ===== > > May you never thirst! > > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > > > > 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock > of flamingos?'-James Earl > > Jones > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 3:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little contest Good idea Heiko! I will donate 10 blanks MD's to the 100.000th visitor on http://ravn.net/md Regards, Peter Ravn PS: do visit http://www.minidisc.org to see the new MD portables.... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:49 PM Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Dream Webring - 10.000 hits + a little contest > I just noticed that my TD Webring > (http://k.webring.com/hub?ring=thetangerinedrea) has had its 10.000th > visitor last weekend since I created it in July 2001...horrah :-) > > So I thought this might be a good reason for a little surprise: the > first person who gives the correct answer to my following question gets > a FREE set of the new 'Tangerine Tree Vol. 3' (17 cdr's) which I just > finished a couple of days ago: > > 'What's the title of Iris Kulterer's > (aka Iris Camaa) new album?' > > ready, steady, go! > > Heiko > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 5:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California Zappa did not live there. He lived in Lancaster, old part. More than likely, he was visiting Sun Village when the thought came to him. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jonathan Holt' To: Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lancaster, California > Sun-Village - Village Of The Sun. A rare 'sentimental' > song from Zappa. I have it on Roxy & Elsewhere and > YCDTOSA Vol2. Must dig it out. > > Hard to belive this year will mark the 10th > anniversary of the great man's passing... > > > --- tony.vandergaag@p... wrote: > > Hi Chris, > > > > correct !!, FZ lived there with his parents for > > quite a while, > > don't know if the air-force base where his father > > used to > > work is still there....... (no, not edwards > > air-force base ;-)) > > > > tony/rotterdam > > > > Citeren Chris Richards : > > > > > < > > > > > numbers, but small at heart, and everything's > > > closed by 10pm! We did have the only 24 hour > > > WalMart ever for years, but then it went to > > > normal hours.. there goes our claim to fame!>> > > > > > > Isn't Lancaster, CA where Frank Zappa spent his > > > teenage years? I know he was born in Baltimore, > > > but somewhere in his childhood, his family moved > > > to California, and for some reason, I'm thinking > > > Lancaster was where they moved. Isn't there a > > > town near there called Sun Village (which was the > > > inspiration for the song Village Of The Sun, on > > > Roxy And Elsewhere)? > > > > > > ===== > > > May you never thirst! > > > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > > > > > > 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock > > of flamingos?'-James Earl > > > Jones > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > > now. > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Sean Montgomery ' Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 8:05 pm Subject: Ruling The Waves - where is it? Just wondering what's going on with 'Ruling the Waves'...is it still going to be posted on the TD website? Martin? Also - just out of curiosity...I presume that the 'unreleased material' for sale at the February show will be recent Froese-Froese compositions? -Sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38388 Re: Ruling The Waves - where is it? Synthhtnys@a... Mon 1/20/2003 2 KB 38389 Re: Ruling The Waves - where is it? Michael A Jean mikejeanwork Mon 1/20/2003 3 KB 38390 Re: Ruling The Waves - where is it? Synthhtnys@a... Mon 1/20/2003 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 8:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ruling The Waves - where is it? In a message dated 1/20/2003 12:06:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, sean@t... writes: > I presume that the 'unreleased > material' for sale at the February show will be recent Froese-Froese > compositions? > -Sean *Hold it! I must have missed that one. WHAT new Franke / Froese composition? They're working together again? Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38389 Re: Ruling The Waves - where is it? Michael A Jean mikejeanwork Mon 1/20/2003 3 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 9:04 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Ruling The Waves - where is it? Maybe RTW will be on the Concert CD. BTW: The previous message said Froese Froese not Franke. MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...] > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 3:22 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Ruling The Waves - where is it? > > > In a message dated 1/20/2003 12:06:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, > sean@t... writes: > > > I presume that the 'unreleased > > material' for sale at the February show will be recent Froese-Froese > > compositions? > > -Sean > > *Hold it! I must have missed that one. WHAT new Franke / Froese > composition? > They're working together again? > Poly > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 9:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ruling The Waves - where is it? In a message dated 1/20/2003 1:09:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, michaeljean@e... writes: > BTW: The previous message said Froese Froese not Franke. > > MJ > *LOL! You're right... That's what I get for 'speed' e-mailing at work and not looking close enough. Ah well one can dream about such a reunion. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Eric Williamson Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 11:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Moog 960 Quoting 'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR' : > For those who missed it, this *may* satisfy until you can afford the 'real' > thing: > > http://www.kvr-vst.com/news.php?id=777 that looks like the perfect companion to the five12.com sequencer. :) --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38392 Re: Moog 960 dreamsector dreamsector Mon 1/20/2003 2 KB 38393 Re: Moog 960 Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Mon 1/20/2003 3 KB From: 'dreamsector ' Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 11:47 pm Subject: Re: Moog 960 Yes it does! Kind of cool if you ask me... you could be on a plane, for example, and be sketching up sequence ideas on your notebook with a modular 'moog' and the numerology, etc. ...or perhaps at poolside sipping a pina collada - or at the local Starbuck's with an espresso - now THAT's living! :-) w --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Eric Williamson wrote: > Quoting 'Fishman Daniel (RC9) Luton & Dunstable Hospital TR' > : > > For those who missed it, this *may* satisfy until you can afford the 'real' > > thing: > > > > http://www.kvr-vst.com/news.php?id=777 > > that looks like the perfect companion to the five12.com sequencer. :) > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38393 Re: Moog 960 Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Mon 1/20/2003 3 KB From: Eric Williamson Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 11:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Moog 960 Quoting 'dreamsector ' : > Yes it does! Kind of cool if you ask me... you could be on a plane, for > example, and be sketching up sequence ideas on your notebook with a > modular 'moog' and the numerology, etc. especially considering that for the price of a new 960, you could get both those programs and a new apple laptop and still have money left over for a hardware synth. i'm actually interested in trying out that arturia software, but i don't really use soft-synths cuz i'm so old-school. i generally only trust computers to do midi sequencing, but i did have fun using Pro-52. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Tue Jan 21, 2003 3:47 am Subject: EMUSICP laylist #304 for January 16, 2003 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #304 January 16, 2003. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Brannan Lane, a rising star in the spacemusic genre. The Featured CD at midnight was 'To Earth and Back' by Brannan Lane the SpaceForMusic.com label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Dig It' by Klaus Schulze on the Brain label. Brannan Lane http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#jan PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Klaus Schulze Wierd Caravan Dig It (Brain) VA [The Ministry of While the Rest of the The Gatherings (Synkronos) Inside Things] World Sleeps Ixohoxi Minor Premonition Somnabulae (MP3.com) Redshift Bleed 1 Siren (Distant Sun) Redshift Bleed 2 Siren (Distant Sun) Redshift Bleed 3 Siren (Distant Sun) Redshift Bleed 4 Siren (Distant Sun) Redshift Bleed 5 Siren (Distant Sun) 12:00 am Brannan Lane To Earth and Back 1 To Earth and Back (Space for Music) Brannan Lane To Earth and Back 2 To Earth and Back (Space for Music) Brannan Lane To Earth and Back 3 To Earth and Back (Space for Music) Brannan Lane To Earth and Back 4 To Earth and Back (Space for Music) Brannan Lane Boundless 1 To Earth and Back (Space for Music) Brannan Lane Boundless 2 To Earth and Back (Space for Music) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Brannan Lane. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Troposphere' by Brannan Lane on World Circle Records. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Beauty in the Beast' by Wendy Carlos on Passport Records. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: Marko Marin Date: Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tubular 30th Anniv --- Michael A Jean wrote: > Apparently Mike Oldfield is re-recording it from > scratch for the 30th > Anniversary. The new version will feature John > Cleese in the 'speaking' > parts. > > MJ I'm looking forward for it because I'm not a huge fan of the original. It had some great parts but mostly there were many distracting errors. Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38426 Re: Tubular 30th Anniv Glynn Naughton From: 'Nigel Pennington ' Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 9:52 pm Subject: Off topic - Radio Massacre International interview Fans of early to mid seventies Tangerine Dream might find this of interest... A batch of articles, news and reviews have just been uploaded to http://www.krautrocknet.com Firstly, 2 absolutely crackin' interviews - with Radio Massacre International (fresh from their mini-tour of the States) and SFs top jazz-kraut-fusion-improv superstars Mushroom. The there's news of www.krautrocknet.com's impending happy event - giving birth to a CD label Kuhl Music (all releases under a fiver until the recession kicks in), debut release from up and coming e- musician David Lazaar (plus a totally biased review). Read about VMajestic's killer Dynamic Alloy EP and download the whole mini-masterpiece while you read the review. A review of Harald Grosskopf's Digital Nomad, 3 new Top Tens for your amusement and last but certainly not least we belatedly sing the praises of Scottish e-musician Syn, who's debut opus encapulates all that's good in the Berlin School. There are also loads of sexy articles in the vaults on Acid Mothers Temple, Agitation Free, Gomorrah and Mythos to name but 4! Cheers From: 'bolosun ' Date: Sun Jan 19, 2003 8:03 pm Subject: Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. 40 old? I am 41 next March. Oops it looks like I am one of the more mature ones ;o) --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Debra Wilson' wrote: > 40? Dreaded? Need you take example from my Mom? She's 42 (will be in May) > and she's just loving life and looking beautiful as ever! Speaking of > beautiful, I need to go bundle up and check on our goats... have a few due > to give birth any time now..lol. > > Debra Wilson > Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html > AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs > http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Jenkins > Subject: [tadream] Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. > > > You youngster's are making me feel very old, I turned the dreaded > 40 last tuesday lol > > Gary From: tom george Date: Tue Jan 21, 2003 2:00 pm Subject: Lake Havasu City, Arizona (TD content zilch) Hey Greg, Isn't that where a bunch of the GIRLS GONE WILD videos and DVD's were filmed? Must be a WILD place to live in the summertime. :) Tom --- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38403 Re: Lake Havasu City, Arizona (TD content zilch) Greg expressionistix Tue 1/21/2003 2 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Jan 21, 2003 4:32 pm Subject: Re: virtually OT EXACTLY. It would still be fantastic to have a real modular... but this looks like a lot of fun. Re virtual... you have to keep in mind that it's only been around for a fairly short time, and it is very much still an evolving art. That said, it has come an incredibly long way. The Pro-52 is now the Pro-53 and incredible, IMO. Another very smooth sounding one that I don't have (yet) for people who are into the Virus is Rob Papen's Albino synth. If you are into Virus or E-mu for that matter, then you already know who Rob Papen is (www.linplug.com/www.robpapen.com). Which leads me into this thought: the (to me) really exciting aspect of vsti has been the independent developers - well and even some bigger developers... the ability to have a dialog with them and to see your suggestions implemented, etc. in a way that people like TD may have had in the past and in a way that a 'regular guy' would never have. Probably like the experience you may have had with Five12... What's great about the virtual stuff is flexibility and ease of use - being able to animate knob movements and open up multiple instances, etc. I think it's an extremely exciting time to be a musician and I could easily talk about this all day, so now I will stop. BUT I would agree with you about not trusting computers 100% - especially for playing out live. At least not yet and not until I have a backup unit to travel with. W << Subject: Re: Re: Moog 960 Quoting 'dreamsector ' : > Yes it does! Kind of cool if you ask me... you could be on a plane, for > example, and be sketching up sequence ideas on your notebook with a > modular 'moog' and the numerology, etc. especially considering that for the price of a new 960, you could get both those programs and a new apple laptop and still have money left over for a hardware synth. i'm actually interested in trying out that arturia software, but i don't really use soft-synths cuz i'm so old-school. i generally only trust computers to do midi sequencing, but i did have fun using Pro-52. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com>>> From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Tue Jan 21, 2003 5:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:The Coachman's tales I guess no one has noticed, but that whole article can be converted to English with the click of a button on the left hand side of the web site. It's a very good article too. 8-Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] Re:The Coachman's tales >Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 04:21:23 +0100 > >Thanks for the translation! > >glenn _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Tue Jan 21, 2003 6:23 pm Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for January 18, 2003 The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #15 January 18, 2003. PLAYLIST: Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Robert Rich and First Outpost Outpost (DiN) Ian Boddy Robert Rich and Ice Fields Outpost (DiN) Ian Boddy Andy Pickford and Disinformatsiya Part 1 Ramayana (Neu Harmony) Free System Projekt Larissa Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum) Alpha Wave Movement A Place of Peace A Distant Signal (HRR) Skin Mechanix The Great Discovery The Secret Life of Angels (Infection Music) Skin Mechanix Glow The Secret Life of Angels (Infection Music) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Moodswings Storm in a Cup Horizontal (Water Music) Terry Oldfield Southern Shores Turning Point (New Earth) Tingstad and Rumbel When You Wish Upon a A Dream and a Wish (ENSO) Star Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== IZZ Believe I Move (Doone Records) VA [Thinking Plague] Rapture of the Deep * Sampler (Cuneiform) Wayne Lytle Seventh Alloy Animusic (Animusic) Ricocher Child Inside Cathedral of Emotions (Red Sea) Genesis in the Cage Fountain of Salmacis Two Sides Live (none) Steve Hackett Los Endos Watcher of the Skies (Guardian) Steve Hackett Watcher of the Skies The Tokyo Tapes (Original Masters) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on February 1. Bill =============================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: Chris Richards Date: Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:16 pm Subject: Re: Village Of The Sun <> I think Frank said one time that his first band used to play gigs there. I think he talks about it in The Real Frank Zappa Book, but I'm sure I've also seen references in interviews. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: 'Greg' Date: Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Lake Havasu City, Arizona (TD content zilch) Yes this is the place.. pretty much anything goes out here. This place is called hell for more reasons than just being one of the hottest places on the planet. I stay away from it.. and assured myself that I will more to a place where people actually wear clothes. Still, this is one boring place to live... Greg H. > Hey Greg, > Isn't that where a bunch of the GIRLS GONE WILD > videos and DVD's were filmed? Must be a WILD place > to live in the summertime. :) > Tom > --- > From: 'tangram80 ' Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 2:13 am Subject: Wavelength 'Japanese' CD? I asked this question before on the Goblins Club list 3 years ago but did not get a satisfactory answer. Anybody has this CD as stated in 'Voices In The Dunes'? The book did not give it a detailed description though, so I am wondering what features this has? Any idea? I am suspecting a CD I have may belong, but I'm not sure. The back tray insert says 'Manufactured by JVC Japan' and then wordings like 'for America Varese Sarabande' or something like that. The disc also has a small '(J)' next to the catalogue number, but it also has wordings 'made' or 'manufactured in USA' somewhere on. Jeffrey Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38405 Re: Wavelength 'Japanese' CD? vic rek kyivmission Wed 1/22/2003 3 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Wavelength 'Japanese' CD? Jeffrey, I believe the CD you described below IS the Japanese one referenced in Voices in the Dunes. I have not heard of a 'true' Japanese release. I was also wondering if anyone has seen a similar release like this of Firestarter - I do not believe one like this exists, but I thought I'd ask the question. Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:13 PM Subject: [tadream] Wavelength 'Japanese' CD? > I asked this question before on the Goblins Club list 3 years ago but > did not get a satisfactory answer. Anybody has this CD as stated > in 'Voices In The Dunes'? The book did not give it a detailed > description though, so I am wondering what features this has? Any > idea? > > I am suspecting a CD I have may belong, but I'm not sure. The back > tray insert says 'Manufactured by JVC Japan' and then wordings > like 'for America Varese Sarabande' or something like that. The disc > also has a small '(J)' next to the catalogue number, but it also has > wordings 'made' or 'manufactured in USA' somewhere on. > > Jeffrey > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: tadreaming@c... Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 7:30 am Subject: Strange Attractions Hello, I'm in need of a redbook CD copy of Strange Attractions off of the Classic Tree. Can someone make it available? The copy I received with the set is a defect and won't play. I can do a trade or send blank and postage. Thanks for looking, please mail to me privately if you would like to help me. Thank you, Martyn C. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38414 Re: Strange Attractions tadreaming@c... tadreaming Wed 1/22/2003 2 KB From: edgar-rainer.berberich@g... Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:33 am Subject: Antwort: [tadream] some comments about 'Tangerine Tree 3' (very long & boring ;-) A few days ago I have received my copy of TT3 from Heiko and also a copy of TT1 and TT2 from Ramon. I'm not sure if I'm a die hard fan of Tangerine Dream (listen to TD since Mid 70's). Have lot's of TD albums and CD's (not complete) and some Bootleg's. And also have the GDR-Release Quichotte from Amiga (thanx to my friend Michael). Now I have listened to the first Vol's of TT3 (finished Vol. 20 - Warsaw Sala Kongresowa 13 June 1997 'Vintage set') yesterday. And I'm proud to be happy about the quality. Ist's from very good to excellent/superb. Thanx to Heiko H. and Ramon S. Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards Edgar Rainer Berberich ------------------------------------------------------------- Über das Internet versandte E-mails können leicht verfälscht oder unter fremdem Namen erstellt werden. Demzufolge müssen wir zu Ihrer und unserer Sicherheit die rechtliche Verbindlichkeit der vorstehenden Erklärungen ausschließen. Der Versand von E-mail dient somit ausschließlich dem Informationsaustausch. Due to the fact that E-mails are prone to manipulation and can be misleading as to the identity of the sender, the foregoing statements and comments shall have no legal validity. This is for your own protection as well as ours. Thus, E-mails shall be sent for information purposes only. From: 'esculap' Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 2:38 pm Subject: Re: Re:The Coachman's tales From: 'Adele Outland' >I guess no one has noticed, but that whole article can be converted to >English with the click of a button on the left hand side of the web site. If I could have known that before.... Funny, what two different persons can find in the same article when translating ;-) Dream on, Andy From: Marion Horrod Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:23 pm Subject: Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. bolosun wrote: '40 old? I am 41 next March. Oops it looks like I am one of the more mature ones ;o)' I don't like to use the term 'mature', since it implies that the rest of you are immature, but let's just say that I had had several years of schooling before any of the correspondents on this topic (so far) were born. Don't let it worry you guys (and gals) - growing old is mandatory, but growing _up_ is optional. LnH Marion 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs to be ...' S. Blakemore Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38413 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 1/22/2003 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:29 pm Subject: now Firestarter 'Japanese' CD was Wavelength 'Japanese' CD? >I was also wondering if anyone has seen a similar release like this of Firestarter - I do not believe one like this exists, but I thought I'd ask the question. FWIW, on my Firestarter CD it is printed on the CD title side 'manufactured in USA' or something like that yet clearly on the underside it says 'made by JVC' so I'd say yes a firestarter version exists similar to that of wavelength.....perhaps not adequately addressed on voices in the net.... --T _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. Age is a relative matter. You can be 45, but feel like 20. Some even act like 17. You can also be 20 and feel like 50. Or your can even be 20 and act like 50. No matter what, time and age is just a human invention to calculate a given period of time. It is not the age that is important, its who where are...................... Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Marion Horrod' > bolosun wrote: > > '40 old? > I am 41 next March. > Oops it looks like I am one of the more mature ones ;o)' > > I don't like to use the term 'mature', since it implies that the rest of > you are immature, but let's just say that I had had several years of > schooling before any of the correspondents on this topic (so far) were > born. Don't let it worry you guys (and gals) - growing old is mandatory, > but growing _up_ is optional. > LnH > > Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38418 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. andrzejos2000 andrzejos2000 Thu 1/23/2003 2 KB 38433 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. dat_dream dat_dream Thu 1/23/2003 3 KB 38440 Wanted: your unwanted live CDs coldwatercanyon tangram80 Fri 1/24/2003 2 KB 38462 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. David Dunham tandreamelp Fri 1/24/2003 3 KB 38423 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. braddito braddito Thu 1/23/2003 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. Age is a relative matter. You can be 45, but feel like 20. Some even act like 17. You can also be 20 and feel like 50. Or your can even be 20 and act like 50. No matter what, time and age is just a human invention to calculate a given period of time. It is not the age that is important, its who we are...................... Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Marion Horrod' > bolosun wrote: > > '40 old? > I am 41 next March. > Oops it looks like I am one of the more mature ones ;o)' > > I don't like to use the term 'mature', since it implies that the rest of > you are immature, but let's just say that I had had several years of > schooling before any of the correspondents on this topic (so far) were > born. Don't let it worry you guys (and gals) - growing old is mandatory, > but growing _up_ is optional. > LnH > > Marion From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:03 pm Subject: Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. I am 33 and a half, and very immature ;-P I still play with toys (although they are bigger and more expensive), I still race mountain bikes at insane speeds down hills and I still drink more than I should... most of all, I still listen to Tangerine Dream. The best thing is that I can now afford a few more CDs because my insurance gets cheaper! TTFN BTF --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Marion Horrod wrote: > bolosun wrote: > > '40 old? > I am 41 next March. > Oops it looks like I am one of the more mature ones ;o)' > > I don't like to use the term 'mature', since it implies that the rest of > you are immature, but let's just say that I had had several years of > schooling before any of the correspondents on this topic (so far) were > born. Don't let it worry you guys (and gals) - growing old is mandatory, > but growing _up_ is optional. > > LnH > > Marion > > > > 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs > to be ...' S. Blakemore From: tadreaming@c... Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:42 pm Subject: Re: Strange Attractions In a message dated 1/22/2003 12:30:17 AM US Mountain Standard Time, Tadreaming writes: > Subj:Strange Attractions > Date:1/22/2003 12:30:17 AM US Mountain Standard Time > From:Tadreaming > To:tadream@yahoogroups.com > > I live in the USA > > Hello, > > I'm in need of a redbook CD copy of Strange Attractions off of the Classic > Tree. Can someone make it available? The copy I received with the set is > a defect and won't play. I can do a trade or send blank and postage. > Thanks for looking, please mail to me privately if you would like to help > me. > > Thank you, > > Martyn C. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'marracc2000 ' Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 1:41 pm Subject: Re: FTP server UP --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Hilary Wright ' wrote: > Dear Friends, > > Just a note to let you know that my FTP server is back up, mostly at > weekends as usual. > > Hilary Hi Hilary, Could I get the details to log into you ftp site? Thanks, Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38416 Re: FTP server UP Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Wed 1/22/2003 2 KB 38417 Re: FTP server UP Rolf Elfström rcade666 Wed 1/22/2003 2 KB From: 'Sean Montgomery ' Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:14 pm Subject: Re: FTP server UP Just a general question...and if the answer to this has already been given, I apologize...are the TT 'downloaders' being assignened FTP providers (or, 'branches'), or are we on our own? I had a list of three or four FTP sites from the previous tree, but none of them are up and running right now. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38417 Re: FTP server UP Rolf Elfström rcade666 Wed 1/22/2003 2 KB From: Rolf Elfström Date: Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:22 pm Subject: Re: FTP server UP >Just a general question...and if the answer to this has already been >given, I apologize...are the TT 'downloaders' being assignened FTP >providers (or, 'branches'), or are we on our own? I had a list of >three or four FTP sites from the previous tree, but none of them are >up and running right now. And to extend that question: Will there ever be a SHN download available for the DSC ????? Looks like I'll be missing out on those discs as download is my only option...... =( Rolf From: 'andrzejos2000 ' Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 12:35 am Subject: Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Pergamon' wrote: > Age is a relative matter. You can be 45, but feel like 20. Some even act > like 17. You can also be 20 and feel like 50. Or your can even be 20 and act > like 50. No matter what, time and age is just a human invention to calculate > a given period of time. It is not the age that is important, its who where > are...................... > Jan BUT the most important thing is that these under 20 and these round 30 and those, let's say, 40+ love to listen to the same music. One friend of mine, who is a TD fan, too, will be 60 in 2004! He tries to see TD live every time they are visiting USA. And he is in THIS yahoogroup. Anyone here is more 'mature'? Andy (30+) P.S. Dream on, Harry B.! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38433 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. dat_dream dat_dream Thu 1/23/2003 3 KB 38440 Wanted: your unwanted live CDs coldwatercanyon tangram80 Fri 1/24/2003 2 KB 38462 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. David Dunham tandreamelp Fri 1/24/2003 3 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:55 am Subject: Nero Question [off topic] Has anyone been able to configure Nero to burn/copy 90min (800 MB) CDR media? Thanks, Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38420 Re: Nero Question [off topic] Debra Wilson goatsong99 Thu 1/23/2003 2 KB 38421 Re: Nero Question [off topic] Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media) glennfolkvord Thu 1/23/2003 2 KB 38422 Re: Nero Question [off topic] Debra Wilson goatsong99 Thu 1/23/2003 3 KB 38424 Re: Nero Question [off topic] René Brenner fairway_ch Thu 1/23/2003 2 KB 38427 Re: Nero Question [off topic] Duncan McKee From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 4:01 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Nero Question [off topic] Not me.. I've never had such discs.. only the 700 meg ones. Good luck though. :) Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: vic rek [mailto:tangerinedream@a...] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:55 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Nero Question [off topic] Has anyone been able to configure Nero to burn/copy 90min (800 MB) CDR media? Thanks, Vic From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 4:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Nero Question [off topic] I tried it with my rather new NEC burner, but apparently only a few brands and models support 90 minute blanks. You should have a very new model to accomplish it. Has nothing to do with Nero, but your burner unit. So I was told. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: 'vic rek' > Has anyone been able to configure Nero to burn/copy 90min (800 MB) CDR > media? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38422 Re: Nero Question [off topic] Debra Wilson goatsong99 Thu 1/23/2003 3 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 4:39 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Nero Question [off topic] that's what i would think too... same reasoning as a regular drive can;t write dvd-r's... too bad my brain is mia again! Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media) [mailto:glenn@f...] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:34 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Nero Question [off topic] I tried it with my rather new NEC burner, but apparently only a few brands and models support 90 minute blanks. You should have a very new model to accomplish it. Has nothing to do with Nero, but your burner unit. So I was told. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: 'vic rek' > Has anyone been able to configure Nero to burn/copy 90min (800 MB) CDR > media? ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'braddito ' Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:39 am Subject: Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. I totally agree. I'm 42 and I still love listening to the music I grew up with, still enjoy playing football (Soccer for our NA friends), love playing computer games etc. but my wife can't understand why I want to see TD live again 'at my age'. I'm going to be 18-21 as long as my body can stand the pace ! Toby --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Pergamon' wrote: > Age is a relative matter. You can be 45, but feel like 20. Some even act > like 17. You can also be 20 and feel like 50. Or your can even be 20 and act > like 50. No matter what, time and age is just a human invention to calculate > a given period of time. It is not the age that is important, its who where > are...................... > > Jan > From: René Brenner Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 9:25 am Subject: Re: Nero Question [off topic] http://www.tdk-europe.com/products/uk/recordablemedia/10/ Click on -> Nero Setup Regards Rene --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'vic rek' wrote: > Has anyone been able to configure Nero to burn/copy 90min (800 MB) CDR > media? > Thanks, Vic From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 9:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. My wife doesn't understand why I want to buy and old Pontiac Trans-Am! (the Knight Rider car).And then spend a small fortune converting it into a KITT replica! I've wanted one ever since the program came out which is 20 years ago now! I still use my Commodore 64, watch tapes of Airwolf and listen to TD, guys aren't designed to grow up! Matthew ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 8:39 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. > I totally agree. I'm 42 and I still love listening to the music I > grew up with, still enjoy playing football (Soccer for our NA > friends), love playing computer games etc. but my wife can't > understand why I want to see TD live again 'at my age'. I'm going to > be 18-21 as long as my body can stand the pace ! > > Toby > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Pergamon' wrote: > > Age is a relative matter. You can be 45, but feel like 20. Some > even act > > like 17. You can also be 20 and feel like 50. Or your can even be > 20 and act > > like 50. No matter what, time and age is just a human invention to > calculate > > a given period of time. It is not the age that is important, its > who where > > are...................... > > > > Jan > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ### This email has been checked for all known viruses by the > ### Firstnet anti-virus system - http://www.firstnet.net.uk > ### Please email fav@f... for details. > > From: 'Glynn Naughton ' Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 9:36 am Subject: Re: Tubular 30th Anniv >I'm looking forward for it because I'm not a huge fan >of the original. It had some great parts but mostly >there were many distracting errors. > >Regards, >Marko Marin Right. I love _TB_ (well, side 1; does anybody actually give a shit about side 2?) but I rarely play it because it's surely one of the most incompetently-played albums of all time--a farrago of bum notes, out-of-time playing, out-of-tune instruments, etc. Indeed, there is a fluffed note in the 'double-speed guitar' section that is surely the worst technical mistake in the history of recorded music. I have preferred to keep a sort of Platonic ideal of _TB_ in my head, rather than play the record, so I'm looking forwards to the rerecorded version, which apparently will be note-for-note the same...but played properly. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38527 OT Re: [tadream] Re: Tubular 30th Anniv Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Tue 1/28/2003 2 KB 38535 Re: OT Re: [tadream] Re: Tubular 30th Anniv John Vertical omegatransfinito Wed 1/29/2003 2 KB 38536 OT [tadream] Re: Tubular 30th Anniv Marko Marin rubyconist Wed 1/29/2003 2 KB 38537 Re: OT [tadream] Re: Tubular 30th Anniv Matthew Stringer Wed 1/29/2003 3 KB 38541 Re: OT [tadream] Re: Tubular 30th Anniv John Vertical omegatransfinito Wed 1/29/2003 3 KB 38542 Re: OT [tadream] Re: Tubular 30th Anniv tony.vandergaag@p... symfoon Wed 1/29/2003 3 KB 38539 Re: Tubular 30th Anniv Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Wed 1/29/2003 3 KB From: 'Duncan McKee ' Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 9:38 am Subject: Re: Nero Question [off topic] Vic as long as your burner supports 90-99 min cdrs it is easy On Nero goto preferences and then to expert features, Tick Enable Overburn 'Disc at Once' and change the Maximum CD length to 90 min. you will get an error message when you try to burn a 90 min cd, just ok it and it will start the over burn. but please make sure your Burner supports this feature or you will damage it. my burner is a LiteON 24X and can write upto 99mins. Duncan --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'vic rek' wrote: > Has anyone been able to configure Nero to burn/copy 90min (800 MB) CDR > media? > Thanks, Vic From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 9:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tubular 30th Anniv come on it's fantastic, considering how it was made, I think the crustness of it adds to it's charm. Easily one of his best albums. Matthew ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:36 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Tubular 30th Anniv > >I'm looking forward for it because I'm not a huge fan > >of the original. It had some great parts but mostly > >there were many distracting errors. > > > >Regards, > >Marko Marin > > Right. I love _TB_ (well, side 1; does anybody actually > give a shit about side 2?) but I rarely play it because > it's surely one of the most incompetently-played albums > of all time--a farrago of bum notes, out-of-time playing, > out-of-tune instruments, etc. Indeed, there is a fluffed > note in the 'double-speed guitar' section that is surely > the worst technical mistake in the history of recorded > music. I have preferred to keep a sort of Platonic ideal > of _TB_ in my head, rather than play the record, so I'm > looking forwards to the rerecorded version, which > apparently will be note-for-note the same...but played > properly. > > Glynn > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ### This email has been checked for all known viruses by the > ### Firstnet anti-virus system - http://www.firstnet.net.uk > ### Please email fav@f... for details. > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38443 Re: Tubular 30th Anniv Marko Marin rubyconist Fri 1/24/2003 2 KB 38444 Re: Tubular 30th Anniv mengels@w... mars103nl Fri 1/24/2003 3 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 12:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Nero Question [off topic] Hi Duncan and to the rest that responded. Lucky for me, I happen to have a LiteON 24x - so I should have no problems. Thanks for the info! Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 4:38 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Nero Question [off topic] > Vic > as long as your burner supports 90-99 min cdrs it is easy > On Nero goto preferences and then to expert features, Tick Enable > Overburn 'Disc at Once' > and change the Maximum CD length to 90 min. > you will get an error message when you try to burn a 90 min cd, just > ok it and it will start the over burn. > but please make sure your Burner supports this feature or you will > damage it. > my burner is a LiteON 24X and can write upto 99mins. > > Duncan > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'vic rek' > wrote: > > Has anyone been able to configure Nero to burn/copy 90min (800 MB) > CDR > > media? > > Thanks, Vic > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 12:57 pm Subject: Off Topic: Back up of Outlook Express Emails Hello Anybody knows how to back up old emails in Outlook Express 5 (under Window 98) and restore them on Outlook Express 6 under Window XP? I tried some guides on the web but somehow I could not import the .dbx files, or I also tried to change the path of the existing storage of Outlook Express 6, and yet I did not succeed. Will greatly appreciate any help suggested. Sorry for the off-topic. Jeffrey Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38478 Re: Off Topic: Back up of Outlook Express Emails Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Sun 1/26/2003 3 KB From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 2:33 pm Subject: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please Hello everyone. Just a quick mail to ask if someone got the special CDR 'Wild' by Red Shift. I would like to get a copy if possible. Many thanks in advance Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38432 Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please Bob Wentz roberto317pd Thu 1/23/2003 3 KB 38456 Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please Erik Sanborn esanbornyid Fri 1/24/2003 3 KB 38457 SV: [tadream] Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please Micke Stark Runsten micke_stark Fri 1/24/2003 4 KB 38784 Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please Carlos Oliveira caobe49 Tue 2/4/2003 3 KB 38459 Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Fri 1/24/2003 2 KB 38467 Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please Carlos Oliveira caobe49 Sat 1/25/2003 2 KB 38778 Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please David Dunham tandreamelp Tue 2/4/2003 3 KB From: 'Bob Wentz' Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 2:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please If you find a source - please let me know. Thank you. Bob Wentz Wyandot, Inc. (740)383-4031, Ext. 2246 bob.wentz@w... -----Original Message----- From: Yannick EDOM [mailto:yannick.edom@s...] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:34 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please Hello everyone. Just a quick mail to ask if someone got the special CDR 'Wild' by Red Shift. I would like to get a copy if possible. Many thanks in advance Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'dat_dream ' Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:47 am Subject: Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. > BUT the most important thing is that these under 20 > and these round 30 > and those, let's say, 40+ > love to listen to the same music. > One friend of mine, who is a TD fan, too, will be 60 in 2004! > He tries to see TD live every time they are visiting USA. > And he is in THIS yahoogroup. > Anyone here is more 'mature'? > Andy (30+) > P.S. Dream on, Harry B.! Ah, I remember it as if it were yesterday: My first exposure to TD. I'm driving in my car, listening the the Denver 'underground' fm station and they play a cut from this brand new record called Phadra... And Andy, with all due respect, that milestone won't be reached until 2008. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38440 Wanted: your unwanted live CDs coldwatercanyon tangram80 Fri 1/24/2003 2 KB 38462 Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. David Dunham tandreamelp Fri 1/24/2003 3 KB From: bradley_duke@u... Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 5:04 pm Subject: Sound and Effects The back of this disc labels the last track (of the live '88) to be 'House of the Rising Sun.' But this is not the LAST track that can be heard on the disc. Does anyone know what this (percussion-heavy) track is? Bradley S. Duke Change Management Coordinator Data Center Operations IBM Software Group (978) 399-7189 From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 5:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sound and Effects The back of this disc labels the last track (of the live '88) to be 'House >of the Rising Sun.' But this is not the LAST track that can be heard on >the disc. Does anyone know what this (percussion-heavy) track is? Voices in the Net says: 'The tracklisting on the back lists all tracks with the correct titles and composers, with the exception of the last track: The track House Of The Rising Sun, which was indeed played by TD during their US tour in 1988, is not on the CD. In fact, the last track is a live version of a track from the Carpenter movie 'Assault On Precinct 13' by Mark Shreeve.' John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38438 Re: Sound and Effects Colin Jouxson convention24 Thu 1/23/2003 3 KB 38439 Re: Sound and Effects Jim Moore moxica93 Fri 1/24/2003 3 KB From: 'vlegrand@c...' Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 5:29 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] (OT) Red shift Wild CDR wanted please I would also be interested in this CDR as well. It was a limited edition available AFAIK only at Hampshire Jam 2. If anyone on the list has any connections with Red Shift, perhaps they could find out if they plan to make more copies available or they could at least give their blessing to folks doing trades (or B&P) for it. Vince Original Message: ----------------- From: Bob Wentz bob.wentz@w... Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:42:43 -0500 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [tadream] (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please If you find a source - please let me know. Thank you. Bob Wentz Wyandot, Inc. (740)383-4031, Ext. 2246 bob.wentz@w... -----Original Message----- From: Yannick EDOM [mailto:yannick.edom@s...] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:34 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please Hello everyone. Just a quick mail to ask if someone got the special CDR 'Wild' by Red Shift. I would like to get a copy if possible. Many thanks in advance Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From: 'fozziebear' Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 7:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. Mudspanker said 'I still race mountain bikes at insane speeds down hills...' Yep, I'm 40 and I ain't stopping the downhill biking and I'm not being any motorists tyre cover. TD should be heartened reading this list that their music still appeals to some fans and is liked by younger fans. Like others I feel that I grew up with the music. I was around 12 when I saw the Coventry TV show in 74 In this changing world the music is a reassuring constant. I hear people comment 'Are they still going?' They can't believe how many things they have released nor understand why some of us still go to the shows. Simple really, its enjoyable. See you at the show. Time to get out my Cyclone badge. David From: 'Colin Jouxson ' Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:17 pm Subject: Re: Sound and Effects --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Vertical' wrote: > The back of this disc labels the last track (of the live '88) to be 'House > >of the Rising Sun.' But this is not the LAST track that can be heard on > >the disc. Does anyone know what this (percussion-heavy) track is? > > > Voices in the Net says: > 'The tracklisting on the back lists all tracks with the correct titles and > composers, with the exception of the last track: The track House Of The > Rising Sun, which was indeed played by TD during their US tour in 1988, is > not on the CD. In fact, the last track is a live version of a track from the > Carpenter movie 'Assault On Precinct 13' by Mark Shreeve.' Hmmm very interesting.I can assure you that the Sound and Effects CD i have in my hand contains without doubt(house of the rising sun) as track 12,it is identical to fan tape versions of the 88 tour. > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Thu Jan 23, 2003 11:52 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Sound and Effects Hey, Guys, I think we're dangerously close to getting on topic here -- be careful... - jim -----Original Message----- From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] The back of this disc labels the last track (of the live '88) to be 'House >of the Rising Sun.' But this is not the LAST track that can be heard >on the disc. Does anyone know what this (percussion-heavy) track is? Voices in the Net says: 'The tracklisting on the back lists all tracks with the correct titles and composers, with the exception of the last track: The track House Of The Rising Sun, which was indeed played by TD during their US tour in 1988, is not on the CD. In fact, the last track is a live version of a track from the Carpenter movie 'Assault On Precinct 13' by Mark Shreeve.' From: coldwatercanyon Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 2:55 am Subject: Wanted: your unwanted live CDs I still have a few TD or Franke scored original movie VCDs (Risky Business, Firestarter, Red Nights) that I can use to swap for the original live CDs (not CDRs) or Russian CDs. Anybody interested pls contact me off-list. Also got a spare Klaus Schulze 'Conquest of Paradise' Maxi CD for swapping similar material. Rgds Jeffrey --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ -------------------- This email service is provided by So-net HK. Apply Now to be our members. From: 'K. W. Beal' Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 4:57 am Subject: ISO: Info Space Trucking/Event Horizon Howdy.. I recently acquired a 2 disc set of Tangerine Dream music.. The Artwork says (from top to bottom): Tangerine Dream Space Trucking Event Horizon Disc 1 is 46m24s in length Disc 2 is 39m31s in length Any Dreamer out there know exactly what I have? I am confused... What is on Disc 1? What is on Disc 2? TIA, Ken -- 'Always headin' toward that Lipstick Sunset.' Trade list: http://www32.brinkster.com/noir43 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38442 Re: ISO: Info Space Trucking/Event Horizon Heiko Heerssen td_freak Fri 1/24/2003 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 6:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ISO: Info Space Trucking/Event Horizon > Howdy.. > > I recently acquired a 2 disc set of Tangerine Dream music.. > The Artwork says (from top to bottom): > Tangerine Dream > Space Trucking > Event Horizon > > Disc 1 is 46m24s in length > Disc 2 is 39m31s in length > > Any Dreamer out there know exactly what I have? I am confused... this is an audience concert recording of Preston Guildhall (UK) 05 November 1980. Heiko From: Marko Marin Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 8:56 am Subject: [tadream] Re: Tubular 30th Anniv Yes, it's very fine in a technical way. They had to cut the tapes with a razorblades because there wasn't any samplers available, so in that way, it's a real masterpiece that contains lot of hard work. Regards, Marko Marin --- Matthew Stringer wrote: > come on it's fantastic, considering how it was made, > I think the crustness > of it adds to it's charm. > > Easily one of his best albums. > > Matthew ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38444 Re: Tubular 30th Anniv mengels@w... mars103nl Fri 1/24/2003 3 KB From: mengels@w... Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 9:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tubular 30th Anniv I like the original TB better then the new ones. I find the new ones too slick and smooth. TB2 was listenable but 3. I was so suprised when he released Amarok, it's so different (imo much much better) then he was doing at that time. Like TD doing a Tangram between Melrose and Lily. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... > Yes, it's very fine in a technical way. They had to > cut the tapes with a razorblades because there wasn't > any samplers available, so in that way, it's a real > masterpiece that contains lot of hard work. > > Regards, > Marko Marin > > --- Matthew Stringer wrote: > > come on it's fantastic, considering how it was made, > > I think the crustness > > of it adds to it's charm. > > > > Easily one of his best albums. > > > > Matthew > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > __________________________________________________________ http://www.wanadoo.nl/ From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 12:18 pm Subject: Re: Sound and Effects The back of this disc labels the last track (of the live '88) to be 'House >of the Rising Sun.' But this is not the LAST track that can be heard on >the disc. Does anyone know what this (percussion-heavy) track is? Voices in the Net says: 'The tracklisting on the back lists all tracks with the correct titles and composers, with the exception of the last track: The track House Of The Rising Sun, which was indeed played by TD during their US tour in 1988, is not on the CD. In fact, the last track is a live version of a track from the Carpenter movie 'Assault On Precinct 13' by Mark Shreeve.' Just for the record (sic), the title of this track is 'Assassin' and it was recorded at the UK Electronica festival on September 15, 1990. Cordially, Dave Kaufman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 12:42 pm Subject: Digital Soundtrack Collection So, any word on when this tree will officially be started??? I am ANXIOUSLY waiting for this set!! Thanks Neal Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38453 Re: Digital Soundtrack Collection maggior maggior Fri 1/24/2003 2 KB 38454 Re: Digital Soundtrack Collection maggior maggior Fri 1/24/2003 2 KB 39054 Digital Soundtrack Collection strat95@b... strat9500 Sun 2/16/2003 2 KB 39121 Re: Digital Soundtrack Collection Jim Moore moxica93 Tue 2/18/2003 2 KB 39643 Re: Digital Soundtrack Collection Paul Fellows paulfellowstd Sat 3/8/2003 2 KB 39940 Re: Digital Soundtrack Collection Andrzej Osadców andrzejos2000 Sun 3/23/2003 2 KB 39948 Re: Digital Soundtrack Collection Antonio Nunes ajogon Sun 3/23/2003 2 KB 39954 Re: Digital Soundtrack Collection Paul Fellows paulfellowstd Sun 3/23/2003 2 KB 39955 Re: Digital Soundtrack Collection Marcelo Gutierrez tdune Sun 3/23/2003 3 KB From: 'dat_dream ' Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 3:17 am Subject: (semi OT) Any emusic news sites? For example, I would have loved to have known about Radio Massacre International's mini-tour of the US before the fact. More specifically, how does one find out that a decent emusic band is coming to their area w/o having to go through page after page of their local entertainment rag? Or trying to hit all of the web sites of all of the bands that might be interesting? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38450 Re: (semi OT) Any emusic news sites? Synthhtnys@a... Fri 1/24/2003 2 KB 38451 Re: (semi OT) Any emusic news sites? quarlie@a... Quarlie Fri 1/24/2003 2 KB From: René Brenner Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 2:34 pm Subject: Wanted: Redshift's first CD Hello folks, I am looking for an original copy of Redshift's first CD 'Redshift/Recorded at Distant Sun Studios 1996' in new/mint condition. If you can help me please email me offlist. Thanks Rene From: moxica@a... Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 2:58 pm Subject: In London Looks like I'll be coming to London for the concert next month! I could certainly use some recommendations for hotels in the area -- I'll be site- seeing for a couple of days, so maybe I might need to stay somewhere that's centrally located near the Astoria and some of the other spots? - jim -- Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA moxica@a... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38460 Re: In London michaeljean@e... mikejeanwork Fri 1/24/2003 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 3:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] (semi OT) Any emusic news sites? In a message dated 1/24/2003 5:22:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, DreamOn@T... writes: > Any suggestions would be appreciated. *You might be interested in a yahoo mailing list called 'Beyond_Em' which deals almost exclusively with the current scene in classic EM. There's a wealth of info there regarding what's going on... the only downside to that will be to your wallet... there's a surprising amount of stuff going on that you may not have been aware of before! Peace Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 3:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] (semi OT) Any emusic news sites? DreamOn@T... wrote: > For example, I would have loved to have known about Radio >Massacre International's mini-tour of the US before the fact. > >More specifically, how does one find out that a decent emusic >band is coming to their area w/o having to go through page after >page of their local entertainment rag? Or trying to hit all of the >web sites of all of the bands that might be interesting? If you aren't already subscribed to it, consider signing up for Groove Unlimited's E-News newsletter. See http://www.groove.nl/mailing.html. --Daniel NP: Covenant - Northern Light [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'K. W. Beal' Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 5:25 pm Subject: ISO: Trees Info Hello!! Can someone direct me to a website that has the TT#3 and The Classics Tree info, such as dates and venues for the discs. TIA, Ken Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38458 Re: ISO: Trees Info René Brenner fairway_ch Fri 1/24/2003 2 KB 38461 Re: ISO: Trees Info Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Fri 1/24/2003 2 KB From: 'maggior ' Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 5:31 pm Subject: Re: Digital Soundtrack Collection Hey Neal, It supposedly officially started months and months and ago. I gave up on the tree and got the set from somebody else. I was annoyed because my supplier didn't respond to ANY of my 3 emails I sent to him. If you would like to trade for it, point me to your list and we can set something up. Thanks! Rich Maggio --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > So, any word on when this tree will officially be started??? I am ANXIOUSLY > waiting for this set!! > > Thanks > Neal From: 'maggior ' Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 5:32 pm Subject: Re: Digital Soundtrack Collection The previous message was intended to directly to the sender. Sorry! --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > So, any word on when this tree will officially be started??? I am ANXIOUSLY > waiting for this set!! > > Thanks > Neal From: Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 5:56 pm Subject: ask Manuel Göttsching a question !!! I will visit the Ashra management on January, 30, certainly with the possibility to ask Manuel one question or another. So, if you always wanted to know something special about ASH RA TEMPEL , ASHRA oder Manuel Göttsching, please simply email until january 28 to: postmaster@t... Hopefully, I will have _all_ the answers ready in the next newsletter at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter Cheers heiko from Germany www.tribute-to-ashra.de www.opticaldream.de FREE ASHRA NEWSLETTER: Click to subscribe to ashranewsletter: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Erik Sanborn Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 6:23 pm Subject: Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please I would be interested in a copy of 'Wild' also. Please contact me off-list. Thanks, Erik Sanborn esanborn@n... ==================================== Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:42:43 -0500 From: 'Bob Wentz' Subject: RE: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please If you find a source - please let me know. Thank you. Bob Wentz Wyandot, Inc. (740)383-4031, Ext. 2246 bob.wentz@w... -----Original Message----- From: Yannick EDOM [mailto:yannick.edom@s...] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:34 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please Hello everyone. Just a quick mail to ask if someone got the special CDR 'Wild' by Red Shift. I would like to get a copy if possible. Many thanks in advance Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... ----------------------------------------------------_- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38457 SV: [tadream] Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please Micke Stark Runsten micke_stark Fri 1/24/2003 4 KB 38784 Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please Carlos Oliveira caobe49 Tue 2/4/2003 3 KB From: 'Micke Stark Runsten' Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 6:32 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please Dito, Thanx Micke micke.stark@g... > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Erik Sanborn [mailto:esanborn@n...] > Skickat: den 24 januari 2003 19:24 > Till: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Ämne: [tadream] Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please > > > I would be interested in a copy of 'Wild' also. Please contact me > off-list. > > Thanks, > > Erik Sanborn > esanborn@n... > > ==================================== > > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:42:43 -0500 > From: 'Bob Wentz' > Subject: RE: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please > > If you find a source - please let me know. > > Thank you. > > Bob Wentz > Wyandot, Inc. > (740)383-4031, Ext. 2246 > bob.wentz@w... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Yannick EDOM [mailto:yannick.edom@s...] > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:34 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please > > Hello everyone. > Just a quick mail to ask if someone got the special CDR 'Wild' by > Red Shift. > I would like to get a copy if possible. > > Many thanks in advance > > Friendly from France > > Yannick Edom > Mirage Créations > Champlain B7 A 101 > 47 Chemin de Pelleport > 31500 TOULOUSE > FRANCE > e-mail : yannick.edom@s... > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38784 Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please Carlos Oliveira caobe49 Tue 2/4/2003 3 KB From: René Brenner Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 7:17 pm Subject: Re: ISO: Trees Info --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'K. W. Beal' wrote: > Hello!! > > Can someone direct me to a website that has the TT#3 and The Classics Tree > info, such as dates and venues for the discs. For TT#3 see http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/tdtree.html Rene From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 8:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please From: 'Erik Sanborn' > I would be interested in a copy of 'Wild' also. Please contact me off-list. > > Thanks, > > Erik Sanborn > esanborn@n... I've got it. CDR trades preferred. Anyone interested please contact me off-list. Maff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38467 Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please Carlos Oliveira caobe49 Sat 1/25/2003 2 KB 38778 Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please David Dunham tandreamelp Tue 2/4/2003 3 KB From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 8:29 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] In London I have been flirting with the idea of goingmyself... I haven't been to the UK since the 96 S Bush show... It is unlikely I'll go though unless I get a surprisingly large tax refund this year. MJ Original Message: ----------------- From: moxica@a... Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:58:24 +0000 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] In London Looks like I'll be coming to London for the concert next month! I could certainly use some recommendations for hotels in the area -- I'll be site- seeing for a couple of days, so maybe I might need to stay somewhere that's centrally located near the Astoria and some of the other spots? - jim -- Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA moxica@a... ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 8:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: ISO: Trees Info From: 'René Brenner' > For TT#3 see http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/tdtree.html And the CT info is here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/message/36391 Maff From: David Dunham Date: Fri Jan 24, 2003 10:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: OT: HBD, J.G.E!. Harry you old dog ;-) I'll be 49 this Sept and my first with the Dream was also Phadra. It was recomened by a waiter in Wildwood NJ. And the rest is history. --- 'dat_dream ' wrote: > > BUT the most important thing is that these under > 20 > > and these round 30 > > and those, let's say, 40+ > > love to listen to the same music. > > One friend of mine, who is a TD fan, too, will be > 60 in 2004! > > He tries to see TD live every time they are > visiting USA. > > And he is in THIS yahoogroup. > > Anyone here is more 'mature'? > > Andy (30+) > > P.S. Dream on, Harry B.! > > > Ah, I remember it as if it were yesterday: My first > exposure to TD. > I'm driving in my car, listening the the Denver > 'underground' fm > station and they play a cut from this brand new > record called > Phadra... > > And Andy, with all due respect, that milestone won't > be reached > until 2008. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 2:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ask Manuel Göttsching a question !!! Ask him why anybody with the obvious talent he has would set a sequencer going and not vary it one bit for the entire length of the album. I speak of E2-E4. Pure laziness? I gave the album away. 8-Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >CC: , >Subject: [tadream] ask Manuel Göttsching a question !!! >Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:56:04 +0100 > >I will visit the Ashra management on January, 30, certainly with the >possibility to ask Manuel one question or another. So, if you always wanted >to know something special about ASH RA TEMPEL , ASHRA oder Manuel >Göttsching, please simply email until january 28 to: >postmaster@t... >Hopefully, I will have _all_ the answers ready in the next newsletter at >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter > >Cheers >heiko from Germany _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38468 Re: [tadream] ask Manuel Göttsching a question !!! Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Sat 1/25/2003 2 KB From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 2:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree Oh dear! Did I misunderstand something along the way? I was once told that if I signed up for the first tree as permanent that it was unnecessary to re-sign up for the next trees and sure enough I got Trees one and two just fine. But I decided to check out the site, and I'm NOT THERE! Does that mean I have missed out on Tree three? I have just entered my name on the list, but is it too late? Robert? 8-0 Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: 'Matthew Sawyer' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree >Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:28:07 -0000 > > >From: > > > Where can I get it ? > > >Just to add to what Morgan said, if you're looking for copies of previous >Tree >releases you'll need to post a request here offering either a CDR trade or >alternatively asking for someone to do a blanks and postage arrangement for >you. >The previous trees which have finished being distributed through the group >are >Tangerine Tree #1, Tangerine Tree #2, the Classic Tree and the Digital >Soundtrack Collection. > >However, for the tree currently in operation (Tangerine Tree #3), you can >sign >up on the group database as a branch (which means you're willing to make >copies >and supply them to other people in the tree), or a leaf (you are unable to >make >copies). > >Go to the database here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database >Select the TT3 database and sign up with your details. > >Then keep an eye on the group for TT3 announcements. > > >Maff _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 7:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ask Manuel Göttsching a question !!! In a message dated 1/24/2003 6:23:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, outlanda60@h... writes: > Ask him why anybody with the obvious talent he has would set a sequencer > going and not vary it one bit for the entire length of the album. I speak > of > E2-E4. Pure laziness? I gave the album away. 8-Dell *It's called minimalism. I had the same impression when I first heard it I thought it was ridiculous... although after giving it some time my opinion has changed. I enjoy it now quite a bit. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38480 Re: [tadream] ask Manuel Göttsching a question !!! Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Sun 1/26/2003 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 8:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree >Oh dear! Did I misunderstand something along the way? I was once told that >if I signed up for the first tree as permanent that it was unnecessary to >re-sign up for the next trees and sure enough I got Trees one and two just >fine. But I decided to check out the site, and I'm NOT THERE! Does that >mean >I have missed out on Tree three? I have just entered my name on the list, >but is it too late? Robert? 8-0 Dell I think the official distrubution has not started yet - and Joe said a while ago that he will some day be updating the Tree database, and adding all the permanent members from TT2... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Carlos Oliveira' Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 4:16 am Subject: [tadream] Re: (OT) Red shift 'Wild' CDR wanted please Hi Maff... I'm interested, in attach goes my list, thankx... Carlos Oliveira Praceta Dr Barbosa du Bocage, 1 - 8o D 2810 175 Laranjeiro Portugal caobe@n... Peace, tranquility, and good will [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Eric Williamson Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 9:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ask Manuel Göttsching a question !!! On Friday, January 24, 2003, at 08:17 PM, Adele Outland wrote: > Ask him why anybody with the obvious talent he has would set a > sequencer > going and not vary it one bit for the entire length of the album. I > speak of > E2-E4. Pure laziness? I gave the album away. 8-Dell considering how influential that track is, i'm anxious to hear it. i'm sure that it's repetitive nature made it wonderful sample fodder for the neo-ambient movement of the 1990s. i wish you had given it to me. i would have paid you for it. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From: 'Scott' Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 2:26 pm Subject: TD on Muzak No, TD wasn't 'Muzak-ed' in the traditional sense. Muzak has several different channels, many of which play music by the original artists. I work at a hotel, and lately they've had a new age/electronic channel on, and this week I've heard tracks from Mars Polaris, 220 Volt and... get this! Kamikaze 89! I've also heard Mark Isham, Klaus Schlze, Synergy and lots of other cool stuff. Scott From: 'Martin Mckee ' Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 2:52 pm Subject: DSC Hello all, Just wondering if anyone here is interested in helping me out with getting a copy of The digital soundtrack collection. Thanks, Atroller contact me off list if you like : atroller@b... From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sat Jan 25, 2003 3:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree From: 'Adele Outland' > Oh dear! Did I misunderstand something along the way? I was once told that > if I signed up for the first tree as permanent that it was unnecessary to > re-sign up for the next trees and sure enough I got Trees one and two just > fine. But I decided to check out the site, and I'm NOT THERE! Does that mean > I have missed out on Tree three? I have just entered my name on the list, > but is it too late? Robert? 8-0 Dell No, you haven't missed TT3 as it hasn't been distributed through the tree yet. My understanding is that Joe has a listing of all those who signed up as a permanent Tree member and that list will be added to those who have also signed up in the TT3 database, when the tree structure is sorted out. Which, hopefully, will be soon... Maff From: Daventura Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 7:07 am Subject: No TD...sorry Okay, I will not be going to London. In fact, I will not be going anywhere. My truck is out of gas. Everybody is partying around here tonight. There is something going on. I am just across the bridge from a town called Oakland. They have a football team there that goes by the name of 'The Raiders'. I guess they have a big game lined up tomorrow or something. I need to get out more. 35 Raiders 24 Bucs...let's see if I really am psychic. Personally I really don't care who wins. I just want a better job. And a new car....David __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38473 Re: No TD...sorry Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/26/2003 3 KB 38474 Re: No TD...sorry Admin dale1kay Sun 1/26/2003 3 KB 38475 Re: No TD...sorry Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/26/2003 3 KB 38483 Re: No TD...sorry Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 1/26/2003 3 KB 38485 Re: No TD...sorry - and way OT! Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/26/2003 3 KB 38484 Re: No TD...sorry Pergamon pergamondk Sun 1/26/2003 2 KB 38490 Re: No TD...sorry John Vertical omegatransfinito Mon 1/27/2003 2 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 7:11 am Subject: RE: [tadream] No TD...sorry They are the cause of the ruin of my birthday every year... damned super bowl! ;-P Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Daventura [mailto:daventura98@y...] Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:08 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] No TD...sorry Okay, I will not be going to London. In fact, I will not be going anywhere. My truck is out of gas. Everybody is partying around here tonight. There is something going on. I am just across the bridge from a town called Oakland. They have a football team there that goes by the name of 'The Raiders'. I guess they have a big game lined up tomorrow or something. I need to get out more. 35 Raiders 24 Bucs...let's see if I really am psychic. Personally I really don't care who wins. I just want a better job. And a new car....David From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 7:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] No TD...sorry You really celebrate staying alive for another year? ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Debra Wilson' To: Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:11 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] No TD...sorry > They are the cause of the ruin of my birthday every year... damned super > bowl! ;-P > > Debra Wilson > Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html > AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs > http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daventura [mailto:daventura98@y...] > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:08 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] No TD...sorry > > > Okay, I will not be going to London. In fact, I will > not be going anywhere. My truck is out of gas. > Everybody is partying around here tonight. There is > something going on. I am just across the bridge from a > town called Oakland. They have a football team there > that goes by the name of 'The Raiders'. I guess they > have a big game lined up tomorrow or something. I need > to get out more. 35 Raiders 24 Bucs...let's see if I > really am psychic. Personally I really don't care who > wins. I just want a better job. And a new car....David > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38475 Re: No TD...sorry Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/26/2003 3 KB 38483 Re: No TD...sorry Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 1/26/2003 3 KB 38485 Re: No TD...sorry - and way OT! Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/26/2003 3 KB From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 7:24 am Subject: RE: [tadream] No TD...sorry Celebrate? I had a birthday party once, when i was 7... and one when I was 14.. nothing since then, because the super bowl takes over my weekend.. everyone has plans for their super bowl parties, which puts me SOL... grrr! But it's not so bad, nice and a quiet with family is very nice too. :-) Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...] Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:22 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] No TD...sorry You really celebrate staying alive for another year? ;-) dale Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38483 Re: No TD...sorry Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 1/26/2003 3 KB 38485 Re: No TD...sorry - and way OT! Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/26/2003 3 KB From: 'Colin Jouxson ' Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 11:00 am Subject: Tangerine Dream Logo Creator Hello all I know you may think me a touch sad,but ive just put tangerine dream on front of my Nokia 8310 and it looks fine,go to www.free-ringtones- free-logos.com where you will find a logo creator.All this will cost you is the charge of a text message eg 10 pence. Now all i need is a Rubycon 17 minute Ringtone LOL. Best regards Colin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38477 Re: Tangerine Dream Logo Creator Gary Jenkins hyperboreauk Sun 1/26/2003 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins ' Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 11:50 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream Logo Creator --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Colin Jouxson ' wrote: > Hello all > I know you may think me a touch sad,but ive just put tangerine dream > on front of my Nokia 8310 and it looks fine,go to www.free- ringtones- > free-logos.com where you will find a logo creator.All this will cost > you is the charge of a text message eg 10 pence. Now all i need is a > Rubycon 17 minute Ringtone LOL. > Best regards > Colin Hi Colin don't worry we are as sad as each other my nokia and my Arcam amp greet me with hello Tangerine Dream Fan when I turn them on the wife thinks I am nuts LOL,My nokia ringtone is Hyde Park at the moment and I have Streethawk in reserve the only two TD tracks that I can find. Cheers Gary From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 12:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Off Topic: Back up of Outlook Express Emails I never got anything like that to work...... I lost all the messages and addresses when I changed over. Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:57 PM Subject: [tadream] Off Topic: Back up of Outlook Express Emails > Hello > > Anybody knows how to back up old emails in Outlook Express 5 (under Window > 98) and restore them on Outlook Express 6 under Window XP? > > I tried some guides on the web but somehow I could not import the .dbx > files, or I also tried to change the path of the existing storage of > Outlook Express 6, and yet I did not succeed. > > Will greatly appreciate any help suggested. Sorry for the off-topic. > > Jeffrey > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Alan Miller' Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 1:01 pm Subject: Directions for Astoria For those coming to London on the 15th and are not sure of the location of the Astoria I hope this helps: The Astoria is on the junction of Shaftesbury Avenue, Tottenham Court Road and Charing Cross Road. It is directly opposite a large office tower called Centre Point. The nearest Undergound station is Tottenham Court Road (10 metres). There are a number of pubs in the area - The Tottenham (Shaftesbury Avenue) is the nearest, looks small from the outside but has a downstairs area - popular with tourists. The Moon Under Water is 300 metres away in Charing Cross Road on the same side as the Astoria, a larger pub - a drinker's watering hole. The Jack Horner is 400 metres away in the Tottenham Court Road, a larger tradional pub - better for a quieter drink. I have taken some pictures of the Astoria (showing TD as a forthcoming attraction) and the 3 pubs if anyone would like pictorial references then drop me a note off-list and I will email them to you - bear in mind that they were taken today - a wet Sunday morning so the places will look different on a Saturday evening (it is a very busy area of town). Hope to see many of you there......my vote on a meeting place would be the Jack Horner but happy to go with the flow. Dream on Alan From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 1:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ask Manuel Göttsching a question !!! Well I find E2-E4 fascinating, specially after I knew the fact that MG was in the studio only for two hours to make it, and it was recorded at one go. For me, it's one of the best pieces of EM made. The thing is E2-E4 has a very subtle development (specially in the first half), like Schulze's music usually has. Some people don't like that. The rhythm for me has such a hypnotic effect that it's a shock when the music ends, like most minimalistic music. gj np. k.crimson in the wake of poseidon > > Ask him why anybody with the obvious talent he has would set a sequencer > > going and not vary it one bit for the entire length of the album. I speak > > of > > E2-E4. Pure laziness? I gave the album away. 8-Dell > >*It's called minimalism. I had the same impression when I first heard it I >thought it was ridiculous... although after giving it some time my opinion >has changed. I enjoy it now quite a bit. >Poly Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@s... From: 'Colin Jouxson ' Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 1:44 pm Subject: Chris Franke is Jack Straw in disguise. No no this cant be right,on Heiko Heerssen,s TD fan site there is a picture on the back of Parallel Dreams volumes 13-18,it is the middle picture of three on the back cover,this is definately non other than UK Foriegn Secretary Jack Straw in his long haired youth.Fascinating. Hows about a tinkle on the modular moog then Jack. Tony Blair-Mellotron VCS3 Synthi Guitars Jack Straw-Modular moog synthesiser Elka organ John Prescott-Electric Piano Organ Arp 2600 and Fisticuffs. The Mind boggles. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38482 Re: Chris Franke is Jack Straw in disguise. Phil White blancmanuk Sun 1/26/2003 3 KB 38487 Haslinger Marko Marin rubyconist Mon 1/27/2003 2 KB 38489 Re: Haslinger Marko Marin rubyconist Mon 1/27/2003 3 KB 38488 Haslinger Marko Marin rubyconist Mon 1/27/2003 2 KB From: 'Phil White' Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 1:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Chris Franke is Jack Straw in disguise. Ha ha.... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 1:44 PM Subject: [tadream] Chris Franke is Jack Straw in disguise. > No no this cant be right,on Heiko Heerssen,s TD fan site there is a > picture on the back of Parallel Dreams volumes 13-18,it is the middle > picture of three on the back cover,this is definately non other than > UK Foriegn Secretary Jack Straw in his long haired youth.Fascinating. > Hows about a tinkle on the modular moog then Jack. > Tony Blair-Mellotron VCS3 Synthi Guitars > Jack Straw-Modular moog synthesiser Elka organ > John Prescott-Electric Piano Organ Arp 2600 and Fisticuffs. > The Mind boggles. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Jonathan Holt Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 3:00 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] No TD...sorry You can party at my place (ok, so I'm a couple of thousand miles away or something) I can't think of anything more boring than American Football. Now Rugby, there's a good game! Happy Birthday :-) --- Debra Wilson wrote: > Celebrate? I had a birthday party once, when i was > 7... and one when I was > 14.. nothing since then, because the super bowl > takes over my weekend.. > everyone has plans for their super bowl parties, > which puts me SOL... grrr! > But it's not so bad, nice and a quiet with family is > very nice too. :-) > > Debra Wilson > Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal > http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html > AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs > http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Admin [mailto:admin@k...] > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:22 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] No TD...sorry > > > You really celebrate staying alive for another year? > > ;-) > > dale > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38485 Re: No TD...sorry - and way OT! Debra Wilson goatsong99 Sun 1/26/2003 3 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 3:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] No TD...sorry ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jonathan Holt' > I can't think of > anything more boring than American Football. agree............american football, soccer = ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz From: 'Debra Wilson' Date: Sun Jan 26, 2003 7:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] No TD...sorry - and way OT! Can I stay forever? Far away from here would be sooo nice! lol Thanks for the birthday wishes, I'm trying to make a card for my Grandpa, his birthday was yesterday.... only thing is, I dunno if our printer is behaving... so we'll see! Debra Wilson Billy-Bob's Boers, Percentage Meat Goats in SoCal http://home.att.net/~billybobsboers/index.html AudioGalaxy, For All Your P2P Needs http://home.att.net/~audiogalaxy/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Holt [mailto:plantpot_73@y...] Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 7:01 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [tadream] No TD...sorry You can party at my place (ok, so I'm a couple of thousand miles away or something) I can't think of anything more boring than American Football. Now Rugby, there's a good game! Happy Birthday :-) From: Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 11:22 am Subject: OT: Football and Invitations Hello Jonathan, I must agree. I am not much of a football fan myself. I will watch the 'Big Game' though. I really enjoy watching all the fancy new commercials they come up with just for this game. Neal PS> If ever any TD fan finds themselves in sunny south Florida, my door is ALWAYS open!!! ********************************** >>Message: 8 >> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 10:00:47 -0500 (EST) >> From: Jonathan Holt >>Subject: RE: No TD...sorry >> >>You can party at my place (ok, so I'm a couple of >>thousand miles away or something) I can't think of >>anything more boring than American Football. >>Now Rugby, there's a good game! >> >>Happy Birthday :-) From: Marko Marin Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 11:49 am Subject: [tadream] Haslinger I don't think I've mentioned this before... Haslinger's World Without Rules contains one track (number 10 if I remeber correctly) which has an interesting voice-sample. Why it's so interesting? Well, the same sample is also featured in a television commercial here in Finland (to every finn here: muistaakseni juoman nimi oli Hyvää Päivää). Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38489 Re: Haslinger Marko Marin rubyconist Mon 1/27/2003 3 KB From: Marko Marin Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 11:49 am Subject: [tadream] Haslinger I don't think I've mentioned this before... Haslinger's World Without Rules contains one track (number 10 if I remeber correctly) which has an interesting voice-sample. Why it's so interesting? Well, the same sample is also featured in a television commercial here in Finland (to every finn here: muistaakseni juoman nimi oli Hyvää Päivää). Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: Marko Marin Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 11:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Haslinger Sorry about the title which is a bit misleading. It's supposed to be Haslinger's WWR, track 10. Regards, Marko Marin --- Marko Marin wrote: > I don't think I've mentioned this before... > > Haslinger's World Without Rules contains one track > (number 10 if I remeber correctly) which has an > interesting voice-sample. Why it's so interesting? > Well, the same sample is also featured in a > television > commercial here in Finland (to every finn here: > muistaakseni juoman nimi oli Hyvää Päivää). > > Regards, > Marko Marin > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 12:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] No TD...sorry > > I can't think of > > anything more boring than American Football. > >agree............american football, soccer = ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz IMHO any spectator sports is utterly boring... I never watch any. Could have made an exception with the two olympics in which they played TD as opening themes, though ;) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Robert Wear' Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 9:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1659 Can't you put them on a few floppies or CDR? Robt Wear ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:57 PM Subject: [tadream] Off Topic: Back up of Outlook Express Emails > Hello > > Anybody knows how to back up old emails in Outlook Express 5 (under Window > 98) and restore them on Outlook Express 6 under Window XP? > > I tried some guides on the web but somehow I could not import the .dbx > files, or I also tried to change the path of the existing storage of > Outlook Express 6, and yet I did not succeed. > > Will greatly appreciate any help suggested. Sorry for the off-topic. > > Jeffrey From: Marko Marin Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 12:49 pm Subject: [tadream] Mannheim Encore Someone pointed me out how great the encore of Mannheim Concert actually is. The actual gig is very calm, haunting even, and suddenly Chris turns on his rockin' rythms and Edgar starts to improvise with his guitar. WOOHOO! Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 12:57 pm Subject: Re: ask Manuel Göttsching a question !!! >> E2-E4. Pure laziness? I gave the album away. 8-Dell >*It's called minimalism. I had the same impression when I first heard it I >thought it was ridiculous... although after giving it some time my opinion >has changed. I enjoy it now quite a bit. >Poly I agree; It works amazingly well, once you accept it's repetitivness. I have a question for Manuel G: Will he tour Scandinavia -while I'm still young and beautiful? /Olle From: 'Tom Richmond' Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 1:38 pm Subject: Dreamwatchers' Tales III tree structures Hello everyone: Sorry for the delay. I was hoping to get this out last week... These are the tree structures for Dreamwatchers' Tales III. Look one column to the left for your source, one column to the right for your leaves. Those in the same column as you have the same source. For example, I'm providing discs for Rich Maggio, Mike Surber, Arno Kolster, Joe Shoults and Tom George. Rich, Mike and Arno are all branches. Joe and Tom are leaves. Any questions, just ask. My discs will be in the mail in the next day or two. Please contact your immediate connections inthe tree and make the arrangements necessary to keep things moving along. Enjoy the music! Tom Europe: Fred Yargui (fredericyargui@w...) Alan Miller (diamondsndust@l...) Andrew Prime (andrew@p...) Grant Somerville (grant.somerville@v...) David Syrett (david_syrett@h...) Steve Yensen (stephen.yensen@s...) Paul Ridout (thenite0wl@a...) Marion Horrod (marion@h...) Philip Meyer (phil@h...) Jerome Salyers (ssaalyersjj@y...) Bjorn Sip (bjoernsip@g...) Olle Rundgren (olle.rundgren@s...) Mikael Runsten (micke.stark@g...) René Brenner (rene.brenner@f...) Kostas Karlis (koulos@s...) Nicola Cont (Nicola@c...) Roger Hartopp (gmroger@p...) Hilary Wright (dreamstogo@n...) Antonio Nunes (hyperborean@m...) Carlos Oliviera (caobe@n...) Herbert (gae@g...) North America, etc. Tom Richmond (trichmond@b...) Rich Maggio (maggior@m...) Michael Piersanti (km.design@v...) Roger Smith (rogersmith3@h...) Greg Waltzer (gwaltzer@o...) Dave Steiner (steiner@b...) Craig Claerbaut (craigc@s...) Mike Daniels (daniels@l...) Jason Hyman (locrian@c...) Gary Allen (frntrw@e...) John McIntyre (mcintyre@p...) Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@j...) Dan Downey (djambient@a...) Robert Asmus (asmus0324@c...) Allison Rich (alysoun@c...) Bob Wentz (bob.wentz@w...) Jed Levin (jed@m...) Bob D'Aprile (rgd730@y...) Martin McKee (janiner@n...) Harry Besler (TaDream@c...) Miles MacMillan (mmacmillan@c...) Mike Surber (msurber@c...) Rogelio Cavazos (tranceroy@y...) Dell Outland (outlanda60@h...) Gustavo Jobim (gustavojobim@s...) Marc Todd (marctodd@h...) 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From: 'Glynn Naughton ' Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 3:46 pm Subject: TD fans, football, sport in general (about 75% OT) >You can party at my place (ok, so I'm a couple of >thousand miles away or something) I can't think of >anything more boring than American Football. >Now Rugby, there's a good game! > >Happy Birthday :-) Rubbish. It has fabulous athletisicm, tactical interest, and is utterly, mind-bogglingly violent (far more so that rugby, which is tame by comparison). And I'm a Brit who grew up in the heart of Rugby League country. Saw the light 10 years or so ago, and I've hardly bothered with rugby since, other than playing occasionally for fun. Best of all, because it's a foreign, alien sport, I have absolutely no emotional attachment to any team, so there's none of that horrified watching-through-fingers that is so exhausting whenever England play (and lose) in the World Cup. TD content: didn't it say on the old TD website that Edgar and Jerome are big fans of American footy? Surely, given its tactical complexity, extensive use of technology, and the notion of players- as-chess-pieces-controlled-by-the-coaches, it's a sport with a built-in appeal for 'geeky' types. In general, I wonder how many TD fans are sporty? I was always a decent rugby player at school ('Hey, you can smash into people and knock them over and not get in trouble for it!') and played on the school first team on merit (and on the soccer and cricket teams because there was so little talent that any warm body would do). But since then my sporting activity has been restricted to running, the odd rugby game, and watching NFL games on the telly. But I get the impression that many TD fans are the weedy, glasses-wearing types who used to play out on the wing so they wouldn't get tackled or have to tackle anybody, and always finished Games lessons with their kit still clean. Except on the days when Mr Bridge would give us permission to chuck them into the nearest puddle :-) Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38496 Re: TD fans, football, sport in general (about 75% OT) Brian Stewart Mon 1/27/2003 2 KB 38499 Re: TD fans, football, sport in general (about 75% OT) Colin Jouxson convention24 Mon 1/27/2003 3 KB 38500 Re: TD fans, football, sport in general (about 75% OT) Gary Jenkins hyperboreauk Mon 1/27/2003 2 KB 38501 Re: TD fans, football, sport in general (about 75% OT) Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Mon 1/27/2003 4 KB 38507 Re: TD fans, football, sport in general (about 75% OT) John Vertical omegatransfinito Mon 1/27/2003 3 KB 38508 Re: TD fans, football, sport in general (about 75% OT) braddito braddito Tue 1/28/2003 2 KB 38509 Re: TD fans, football, sport in general (about 75% OT) billythefish01 billythefish01 Tue 1/28/2003 2 KB 38523 Re: TD fans, football, sport in general (about 75% OT) omegatransfinito From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 4:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD fans, football, sport in general (about 75% OT) In general, I wonder how many TD fans are sporty? Hi Well, for me it used to be rugby, I played on the regional team till someone nearly killed me! As well as Archery, skiing & small-bore rifle. These days, its Gym workouts, mountain bikes & the odd bit of fly fishing. Age takes its toll ;-) Best B _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 38499 Re: TD fans, football, sport in general (about 75% OT) Colin Jouxson convention24 Mon 1/27/2003 3 KB From: 'Tom Richmond' Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:10 pm Subject: DWT III tree structures again... Hello again: Sorry to do this again. Thanks to Craig Clairbaut, who asked about it and got me to take alook at what went through to the groups, which appears to have been rather useless. I'll be checking this one to be sure it makes sense. Cheers! Tom Europe: Fred Yargui (fredericyargui@w...) Alan Miller (diamondsndust@l...) Andrew Prime (andrew@p...) 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If you received this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and such actions may be unlawful. From: 'Tom Richmond' Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:15 pm Subject: DWT III tree structure When I check the archives, this one doesn't look any better than the first one. Is there a trick to getting indentation to work? Somebody let me know please. Or let me know if either posting looked ok when you got it. The yahoogroups archive lost all the indentations that made the structures make any sense.... Thanks. Tom ________________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you received this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and such actions may be unlawful. From: 'Colin Jouxson ' Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:48 pm Subject: Re: TD fans, football, sport in general (about 75% OT) --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Brian Stewart' wrote: > > > > > > In general, I wonder how many TD fans are > sporty? > > > Hi > > Well, for me it used to be rugby, I played on the regional team till someone > nearly killed me! As well as Archery, skiing & small-bore rifle. > > These days, its Gym workouts, mountain bikes & the odd bit of fly fishing. > Age takes its toll ;-) The biggest part of my choppers were lost on the rugby field,6 years of playing in the front three saw to that,i must have been off my trolley,15 stone front rowers are few and far beetween today,i just wasent big enough.These days my only workout is the Dustbin round which i do each day,still keeps me reasonabley fit and still around the 15 stone mark,the hair may be greying a touch,but i still feel young at 38,and of course i loves me Stella Artois and Tangerine Dream Best regards CJ > > Best > > B > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > http://messenger.msn.co.uk From: 'Gary Jenkins ' Date: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:58 pm Subject: Re: TD fans, football, sport in general (about 75% OT) --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Glynn Naughton ' But I get the impression that many TD fans > are the weedy, glasses-wearing types who used > to play out on the wing so they wouldn't > get tackled or have to tackle anybody, and > always finished Games lessons with their kit > still clean. Except on the days when Mr Bridge > would give us permission to chuck them into > the nearest puddle :-) > You got me down to a tee Glyn being small I did not enjoy Rugby so managed to play out on the wing to my amazement I accidentally scored a try once, I was more into X country running. Cheers Gary Ps Yes I wear glasses too.